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[Paphitis]

Don't insult me again BigOz, otherwise I am going to report you to the Admin. Cheeky bastard, how dare you call me a Greek!

I treat you all with equal contempt!

I don't need time at all because I know we lineage and consider this a gift bestowed upon me by Mother Nature.

[GreekIslandGirl]

One community of democratically equal Cypriots is not good enough for the Turks. I suggest all Turks begger-off for ever.

Just watch the video link I just posted and you will know how much we trust your Greek majority democracy

The Turks don't know how to 'trust' because they know the darkness in their own hearts.

- Why don't you just give us the points that you found so unsavoury? For example, fighting for freedom doesn't seem to suit the Turks, as far as I know.

[repulsewarrior]

in any case the Freedom of Cyprus as having an identity of its own seems lost to you (the general you, (except prehaps bigOz) as in the posters in this topic). nor does it seem that any of you are committed to doing what is best as Human beings. there is a Cypriot way, it remains to be founded; the Problem remains complex because in essence it has been so oversimplified that any debate is non fulfilling, it cannot offer a solution because it (the Problem) is not a "Greek"/"Turkish" debate, and it depends on Cypriots taking charge of the Agenda for and as Cypriots for the interlocutors to recognise that as "Property" goes the island's dwellers are not chattel so willing to submit.

...i get it, "you" (and you know who you are) like to fly Greek Flags, and Turkish Flags, "you" feel good, when you are surrounded by people who have the same feelings, and there among these flags you'll note the Flag of Cyprus sometimes like an afterthought, counted as few, or not even allowed, to some in those crowds in any case only temporary in function, the strength of a State based on Universal Principals and Values, is not enough, to secure our sense of Freedom and our respect, for this reason to fly this Flag, more often, above the others, representing a State that is of Cypriots; "it", in your worlds, it seems, must be in servitude to a mythic center of (not "Turkish: read) "Greekness", or "Turkishness".

...here you go N, a better illustration, relating to Cyprus, of the difference between Bicommunal, and Multi-Communal, governance:

Bicommunal; 1. The Republic representing all Cypriots as Cypriots without any discrimination or distinction, having to represent this State all Citizens in the form of Government where each has an identical vote.
2. The Cypriot Constituencies, each equal with the Liberty of having the same rights, whose Charters are obtained from the Republic, as another level of government providing self-representation so that Citizens as a majority, Individuals as Persons within their respective Territorial Jurisdictions, its electors providing for themselves their needs on a daily basis to sustain this way of living, respectfully recognising and providing for the special needs of the minorities among them, as tax payers closer to their taxes.

Multi-Communal 1: (assume) same
2: (assume) same
3: among each of these sets of governing bodies, a population that see themselves as entitled to have their influence, superior to "the others" an established fact.

in essence, Cyprus is dysfunctional because it only pretends at having Bicommunal discussions. that is to say, those who hold the Agenda, are for a Multi-Communal Forum where item number one is completely ignored and the debate becomes a choice between the other two.

...forgive me for being personal, i am not so quick at dismissing the thinking of bigOz, and unless you are a "Greek" or a "Turk", such action i suggest diminishes your own credibility except among them. he is a better Cypriot than most as far as i'm concerned. Paphitis, what the hell are you saying, that Cypriots are racist; Cypriots are not racist, and even in jest, as you've framed it, that's not funny.

[Nikitas]

Racism was incorporated in the "constitution" of the trunc when they "nationalised" all GC properties. It is beyond self evident when they want to suspend (in a settlement) parts of the European body of law that defines human rights and basic freedoms. It is part of their every day practice when they come in thousands (estimated 12000) south to work but will not allow a GC to establish even a kiosk in the north.

This racism had been part of their policy and practice since way back, just recall the Turk to Turk campaign of the 50s, the exclusion of GC garbagemen from refuse collection in their areas, the no go areas in every major town. Their policy is Turks first and everyone else second, which is basically an implementation of Kemalism, nothing more, that puts Turks above all others in every sphere of life.

The other cultural alternative to Turkism is islam and you wonder if that would be an improvement. Just being ironic.

[Lordo]

going back to the original question, you can do what you like with your state.

[kurupetos]

It's not yours.

[Lordo]

It's not yours.

of course your state will not be ours.

[repulsewarrior]

"ours"?

...are you a "Turk"?

[Oceanside50]

Federation has been a scam from the very beginning after the war and no one has spoken up for 40 years

[Lordo]

rw before you read my post please have a look at who i am posting it for. it does make a difference. fascists only understand one language.

oceanbaby dont just stop there tell us what is a good agreement, but if it is going to be unitary state i would not bother if i was you. that is not possible. we will go to two states before that.