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[Peegor]

I do not profess to know everything about the 1974 invasion but in my mind you do not need to know everything.

--> The Greek hounda tried to take government.
--> The Turkish forces reacted on this and landed in Cyprus.
--> Brits stood by and did nothing...

Conclusion: Administration of Greece & Turkey vastly to blame.
Brits should have said/done smth perhaps.

--> Greek Cypriots were being killed and were dying
--> Turkish Cypriots were being killed and were dying
--> Lots of people had to leave their homes.

Conclusion: A vast number of Cypriots became refugees.
A vast number of Cypriots were killed in the conflict.

--> Cypriot state education systems fill the youth with bullshit.
--> Youth grows up, preaches the bullshit to their kids.
--> Now education *and* family are preaching bullshit.

Conclusion: Hatred between Cypriots lingers and intensifies.
The real history of events is vastly lost amongst
the poor unknowing victims of this brainwashing.

Vast Conclusion: Society on both 'sides' became a menace to its
young citizens. This menace increases in voracity
with every new child born until someone teaches
people what really happened.

I went to school at The English School in Nicosia. Famously a bi-communal school and soon after passage between 'sides' was re-opened it once again became a bi-communal school as alumni from both 'sides' want their children to have the same quality and correctness of education that they themselves experienced.

I attended Cyprus History lessons as an added course at my school and we were taught in a vastly unbiased manner that both sides suffered and as such we should regards ourselves simply as Cypriots. All frivolously pathetic foreign nations with their own plans for the island aside.

My family miss their birthplace in Ammochostos. They don't resent any Cypriot but resent the Turkish and Greek administrations. I would love to see our land in Ammochostos and to once again live there. I wish the Turkish army would just up and leave and let the people sort things out for themselves... how idealistic and idyllic.

The majority of the old Larnaca town was lived in by Cypriots of Turkish descent and the names still remain; people should return to the places they belong without guns in each others' faces.

People need to get their heads straight. Whenever I see some person unknowingly spitting the bile that is the propaganda they were taught at home, at school, in society or they magically conjured up with their own heads I feel very, very sad.

And please, must we really have such a light show of the Turkish flag on the Kyrenia mountain range? It's bad for the environment, a waste of natural resources and simply a provocation for the social menace I mentioned before to continue fruitlessly on into oblivion. Who set the lights up? I really would be interested to know whether it was Cypriots or the Turkish army.

[free_cyprus]

the problem of cyprus started in the 50s with the creation of eoka and tmt, by greece and trukey, the zurich agreement sealed teh faite of cyprus to be devided up. lets not beget forgetfulness that turkey and greece are great allies of america and during cold war they helped americ a great deal, also they are part of nato,as for britain under the zurich agreement, if the solution of cyprus is not found or if there is still problems on the island regarding the soo called two communities when in fact there is only one community that is devided byt difrent language and riligion, the sovereight british bases cannot be negotiated in another words they are british, regarding americas backing of turkey to invade cyprus, firstly who sponcered nico sampson emerica with c i a money, if all this is not plain enough for the ordinary reader that the fate of cyprus was decided cordinated and executed for the benfit of outsiders, then we are in serious trouble we always blame this or that turkey or greece or something else, the truth is they were all involved not only they were all involed but they also recruted cypriots to commit crimes agains their own people, this is true facts and we must except these, when we openly debate about all this and when we openly look wider into the real world and who benefited from all this we will be closer to the solution, lets not be like the person who couldnt see the forest for the trees, we must be open minded and realistic about cyprus problem, when we begin to live like cypriots instead of greeks and turks and when we live like one people instead of pointing the way to the soo called motherlands then we will stand more of a change to live in harmony and peace as we should do as is our right, but cyprus problem will never ever be solved as long as you lot continue with this false identity we are greeks and turks, sure we speak the language, so what do we have to fly turkish and greek flags on an island thats been invaded for over 3000 years and ruleb by just about ever power in history, and yet we come out off all that intact as turks and greeks, if this is far as your imagination stretches then we have no chance at all in life to be free cypriots

[Pyrpolizer]

It was both Cypriots and the Turkish Army Peegor. Let's not fool ourselves, there are still many fanatics on both sides.

Imo however the vast majority of both Gcs and Tcs know very well they did wrong to each other. Of course they care more for their own suffering and think their suffering was more significant than the suffering of the other people.That's only natural human response anyway.

The problem today that stacks everything (at least to the level of the average TC) is INTERESTS ON LAND AND PROPERTIES which is concealed behind excuses for security and various complex political issues. We have other levels of INTERESTS too, those of settlers, those of crooks who purchased stolen GC land, the interests of Turkey having a huge military base which they don't want to lose etc etc.

Personally I don't believe there is any possibility to ever reach an agreed solution in Cyprus, but I believe one of the 2 sides will force it's will on the other within the next 20 years.

[denizaksulu]

It was both Cypriots and the Turkish Army Peegor. Let's not fool ourselves, there are still many fanatics on both sides.

Imo however the vast majority of both Gcs and Tcs know very well they did wrong to each other. Of course they care more for their own suffering and think their suffering was more significant than the suffering of the other people.That's only natural human response anyway.

The problem today that stacks everything (at least to the level of the average TC) is INTERESTS ON LAND AND PROPERTIES which is concealed behind excuses for security and various complex political issues. We have other levels of INTERESTS too, those of settlers, those of crooks who purchased stolen GC land, the interests of Turkey having a huge military base which they don't want to lose etc etc.


Prophetic words Pyro. Who will make the greatest sacrifices to avoid this?
A problem indeed.


Personally I don't believe there is any possibility to ever reach an agreed solution in Cyprus, but I believe one of the 2 sides will force it's will on the other within the next 20 years.

[denizaksulu]

It was both Cypriots and the Turkish Army Peegor. Let's not fool ourselves, there are still many fanatics on both sides.

Imo however the vast majority of both Gcs and Tcs know very well they did wrong to each other. Of course they care more for their own suffering and think their suffering was more significant than the suffering of the other people.That's only natural human response anyway.

The problem today that stacks everything (at least to the level of the average TC) is INTERESTS ON LAND AND PROPERTIES which is concealed behind excuses for security and various complex political issues. We have other levels of INTERESTS too, those of settlers, those of crooks who purchased stolen GC land, the interests of Turkey having a huge military base which they don't want to lose etc etc.

Personally I don't believe there is any possibility to ever reach an agreed solution in Cyprus, but I believe one of the 2 sides will force it's will on the other within the next 20 years.

Prophetic words Pyro. Who will make the greatest sacrifices to avoid this?
A problem indeed.

[Viewpoint]

Peegor firstly welcome to the forum.

I wish the Turkish army would just up and leave and let the people sort things out for themselves... how idealistic and idyllic.

How naive and very dangerous...you appear to be in a state of trance, if you believe that the Turkish army leaving would make everything OK then you are living in cuckoo land.. its the army that has brought peace and tranquility to the island for 33 years, they will leave only when you agree to a solution.

And please, must we really have such a light show of the Turkish flag on the Kyrenia mountain range? It's bad for the environment, a waste of natural resources and simply a provocation for the social menace I mentioned before to continue fruitlessly on into oblivion. Who set the lights up? I really would be interested to know whether it was Cypriots or the Turkish army.

Must we really see those pictures you have up when crossing at ledra palace? get your own house in order first. If those pictures represent your pain then that flag represents ours.

[Pyrpolizer]

It was both Cypriots and the Turkish Army Peegor. Let's not fool ourselves, there are still many fanatics on both sides.

Imo however the vast majority of both Gcs and Tcs know very well they did wrong to each other. Of course they care more for their own suffering and think their suffering was more significant than the suffering of the other people.That's only natural human response anyway.

The problem today that stacks everything (at least to the level of the average TC) is INTERESTS ON LAND AND PROPERTIES which is concealed behind excuses for security and various complex political issues. We have other levels of INTERESTS too, those of settlers, those of crooks who purchased stolen GC land, the interests of Turkey having a huge military base which they don't want to lose etc etc.

Personally I don't believe there is any possibility to ever reach an agreed solution in Cyprus, but I believe one of the 2 sides will force it's will on the other within the next 20 years.

Prophetic words Pyro. Who will make the greatest sacrifices to avoid this?
A problem indeed.

Ahhh nobody will. That's why the outcome will be unfair, anyway you look at it.
I hope I am just a pseudo-Prophet

[Pyrpolizer]

they will leave only when you agree to a solution.

They will never leave and that's why we will never have a solution.

[denizaksulu]

It was both Cypriots and the Turkish Army Peegor. Let's not fool ourselves, there are still many fanatics on both sides.

Imo however the vast majority of both Gcs and Tcs know very well they did wrong to each other. Of course they care more for their own suffering and think their suffering was more significant than the suffering of the other people.That's only natural human response anyway.

The problem today that stacks everything (at least to the level of the average TC) is INTERESTS ON LAND AND PROPERTIES which is concealed behind excuses for security and various complex political issues. We have other levels of INTERESTS too, those of settlers, those of crooks who purchased stolen GC land, the interests of Turkey having a huge military base which they don't want to lose etc etc.

Personally I don't believe there is any possibility to ever reach an agreed solution in Cyprus, but I believe one of the 2 sides will force it's will on the other within the next 20 years.

Prophetic words Pyro. Who will make the greatest sacrifices to avoid this?
A problem indeed.

Ahhh nobody will. That's why the outcome will be unfair, anyway you look at it.
I hope I am just a pseudo-Prophet

Inshallah

[Peegor]

How naive and very dangerous...you appear to be in a state of trance, if you believe that the Turkish army leaving would make everything OK then you are living in cuckoo land.. its the army that has brought peace and tranquility to the island for 33 years, they will leave only when you agree to a solution.

Must we really see those pictures you have up when crossing at ledra palace? get your own house in order first. If those pictures represent your pain then that flag represents ours.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You believe that the essence of forth eschewed by the military is keeping things together. There could be no possibility of violent conflict with all of the political boundaries in place (though I am no fan of either armies, politics or religion). If the 'north side' causes violence in the south, bad repercussions for Turkey's EU accession. If the 'south side' causes violence in the north; ditto. All hell would break loose and I don't honestly believe in a reoccurrence of that. Times have changed.

I am in no state of trance and I'm not stepping back on any of my beliefs. Please don't talk to me as if I'm a 'south supporter' because I assure you I'm not. I stated clearly that what I describe as a menace is occurring in equal amounts on both 'sides'. Cypriots have been vastly retarded in their actions and motivations since war-time and our 'governments' and the governments of Turkey & Greece have fucked it up beyond all repair. I must say Greece & Turkey's governments at the time were total FUBARed wankstains imho and only their own interests were evident under the guise of 'the safety and protection of the people and the prevention of conflict'. Example: Denktash & Papadopoulos' obvious aversion to any kind of a viable solution. And don't tell me either of them have/had the people's best interests at heart because I will not hear it. Indeed you seem to suggest that the Turkish army has your best interests at heart... bullshit I say to you. The only 'peacekeeping' *force* on this island is the UN and all they do is make sure that no one oversteps the so-called green line boundary and put out mass fires in the buffer zone during the summer.

As far as the pictures go... well yes. If anything, they serve as a reminder of past conflict and the pain of BOTH sides. The people in those pictures may as well be any Cypriot during that time. At least those pictures aren't bad for the freaking environment in an age when global warming is on the cusp of tipping everything into bleeding mayhem. What a bloody waste of electricity... I mean I have no political or social qualms against it to be honest (even though at heart I believe it is a bit of a dumb thing to have up there by all means). It's a vast eyesore, it wastes energy and taints an otherwise gorgeous and luscious landscape.

Now does anyone in the north of the island know who the hell set that up? Do they know if it works on solar energy? Wind turbines? Or is it just good old mains electricity? If it is mains electricity that is APPALLING and DISGUSTING!

Some things are more important than petty human squabbles and conflicts and the state of the environment is one of them so hearing an excuse like yours really does set me aback (no offence). The phrase that comes to mind is: 'how absolutely shit is that? oh lol wow ;p'