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[Chimera]

Plus this kind of mentality that the GC have might lead to a war that will involve myself given the fact i am in my 20's .

And i ask you,why should i go to war for you inability to solve your bi-communal differences?Am i obligated to fight for your 1821 mentality?Or any Greek citizen for this matter?

SELF! SELF! SELF!

I would never have guessed, you are just scared.

Well, no kidding now, but if everyone refused to go to War, that would be just great.

However, we need to just get EVEN on this one (remove Turks from Cyprus, blah, blah, blah etc) and then we can start again witha nice clean country, with the sweet kind indigenous Cypriots running everything just the way it should be....And then the "Turks-born-on Cyprus" would see that it was ALL FOR NOTHING!

[denizaksulu]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Well each to their own, the best thing about living in a democracy.

However I would argue that the term TC or Turkish speaking Cypriots is at best, ARCHAIC.
It's like saying, "French speaking English". It just does not make logical sense. Especially in this day and age when a lot of us are bi-lingual (or tri-lingual).

Also, I re-iterate that one of the major problems with the Zurich Agreement which made it unworkable from the start was the equal recognition of both languges. Again ARCHAIC. It probably suited the Swiss to have more than one language but they did not have the chasm of differences that the Turks and indigenous Cypriots have.

As for the little rhyme, it merely demonstrates that we can keep reducing the problem to infinity, but it never goes away!

I would never for a moment suggest fleas and Turks have the same DNA.
Fleas have been around a lot longer. But I can see why the analogy may have stung if you are feeling particularly sensitive about the actions of the Turks...I can see how their actions could be likened to those of fleas.

As for re-unification... What I want is Cyprus back and that is all.
The Turks can integrate or return to countries that suit them better. We have put up with enough disturbances and they can not be trusted to behave any more.

I suppose you can be trusted. You are not only a Turk hater, understandable but also a TC hater. What a shame. A hint of Xenophobia I'd say.

Den: If you were not so selective in your reading, you would have seen I invited integration from the Turks..unless of course they do not want that.

As for hating Turks, I will stop when we get even.

As for calling me Xenophobic..Stop right there. You do not know what the word means.
XENOPHOBIA = FEAR of STRANGERS
I do not fear strangers. If you are stumbling for the "R" word, come out and say it. I am more qualified than most to argue on that one.

You want a settlement 'without the Turks born on Cyprus.' What do you mean by 'integration'? Are you talking about Turks or TCs? I am not sure. Would you arrange/allow your offspring to marry my off-spring? Are you talking of Osmosis? I know in the UK intermarriage does take place between us but are you accepting or going to encourage this?
Regards
DA

Regards

Thank you for acknowledging the invitation for willing Turks to integrate. By this I mean hang around, and be residents, workforce etc.

I have absolutely no qualms about inter-marriage. This I appluad. Maybe we are getting to the route of it. Hybrids are more vigorous. The genetic stock of the Turks would improve enormously (just kidding here, I have no evidence for this, many scientific studies would have to be conducted to find out one way or the other).

I am relieved that you were just kidding 'there'. I heard that there is research going on with DNA results. If I manage to find links I will post (i.e. if somebody doesnt beat me to it)

[Viewpoint]

Plus this kind of mentality that the GC have might lead to a war that will involve myself given the fact i am in my 20's .

And i ask you,why should i go to war for you inability to solve your bi-communal differences?Am i obligated to fight for your 1821 mentality?Or any Greek citizen for this matter?

SELF! SELF! SELF!

I would never have guessed, you are just scared.

Well, no kidding now, but if everyone refused to go to War, that would be just great.

However, we need to just get EVEN on this one (remove Turks from Cyprus, blah, blah, blah etc) and then we can start again witha nice clean country, with the sweet kind indigenous Cypriots running everything just the way it should be....And then the "Turks-born-on Cyprus" would see that it was ALL FOR NOTHING!

Go for it, do your worst but dont expect us to hand out roses we will fight back with everything we have....you will never learn.

[SN]

Plus this kind of mentality that the GC have might lead to a war that will involve myself given the fact i am in my 20's .

And i ask you,why should i go to war for you inability to solve your bi-communal differences?Am i obligated to fight for your 1821 mentality?Or any Greek citizen for this matter?

SELF! SELF! SELF!

I would never have guessed, you are just scared.

Well, no kidding now, but if everyone refused to go to War, that would be just great.

However, we need to just get EVEN on this one (remove Turks from Cyprus, blah, blah, blah etc) and then we can start again witha nice clean country, with the sweet kind indigenous Cypriots running everything just the way it should be....And then the "Turks-born-on Cyprus" would see that it was ALL FOR NOTHING!

Nah i am not scared to fight Turkey.But i would fight it for Greece and not Greece's puppet.

But dont fool your self,there are many morons Kalamarades that have this retarded Hellinism issue,that would gladly fall for Cyprus.But i wouldnt just bsc you are incapable of solving your differences.I would sell out Cyprus at a blink of an eye.

[Pyrpolizer]

If we exclude this most important factor, then I would see unification evolving gradually over different pre agreed stages, that after 15-20 years will result in having a normal European country in Cyprus. However there is no reason to waste any more time with explaining this, since it is apparent that TCs and Turkey do not want a true unification.

And this kind of mentality is what leads to war.

What Piratis is forgeting to tell you is that the GC have the true inner desire to go war and retake the Island in the first opportunity.

The overwhelming majority of the GC i have met seem to have a flame of hatreted and wish when the geopolitical circumstances allow it to go to war and retake the Island.

Only fools cant see beyond that.Hence accuse the TC that they dont want re-unification.Simply the GC want the whole island Greek and theirs!!!

You are jumping in conclusions. It is true that many Gcs don't think the current situation will ever get reversed without war. This is not because they have a hidden desire for war and you are a FOOL yourself thinking they do.

Furthermore it is also true that the majority of TCs would be thrilled if they would even smell the slightest chance to get recognition. This must tell you that they want re-unification JUST BECAUSE this chance doesn't seem to be anywhere in the visible horizon.

The question is on hat terms do the Tcs want re-unification? This is what you have to ask yourself rather than coming here and playing us "Le grand reactionist de la Grece"

Le grand reactionist de la Grece e de la Chypre!!!

Hahaha.Liked that.Yet i know my artificial Hellenism mate.Some of your people live with 1821 dream.Come on dont deny you want the whole Island Greek.And only war will quarantee that.
The Megalo ideatismos is so transparent in GC.

I DENY IT with all my heart. You know why? Because I want from OTHERS the same respect a DEMAND for myself.
Should i become a criminal to make it fully Greek (GC you mean because I despice Greece the same)? Or should i deprive thousands and thousands of people all their rights just to serve myself?

By the way it's ET de la Chypre

[Piratis]

If we exclude this most important factor, then I would see unification evolving gradually over different pre agreed stages, that after 15-20 years will result in having a normal European country in Cyprus. However there is no reason to waste any more time with explaining this, since it is apparent that TCs and Turkey do not want a true unification.

And this kind of mentality is what leads to war.

What Piratis is forgeting to tell you is that the GC have the true inner desire to go war and retake the Island in the first opportunity.

The overwhelming majority of the GC i have met seem to have a flame of hatreted and wish when the geopolitical circumstances allow it to go to war and retake the Island.

Only fools cant see beyond that.Hence accuse the TC that they dont want re-unification.Simply the GC want the whole island Greek and theirs!!!

We are already in war since 1974. What we have now is a cease fire. Of course we want to exhaust all means of liberating our country without any further bloodshed. But if this proves impossible then what other options do we have? Should the French, Greeks and all the others that were under the Germans during WWII simply sign away their lands because they lost the first battles of the war? I don't see where you find anything immoral to the desire of a people of a country to fight, if needed, for the liberation of their own lands.

Plus this kind of mentality that the GC have might lead to a war that will involve myself given the fact i am in my 20's .

And i ask you,why should i go to war for you inability to solve your bi-communal differences?Am i obligated to fight for your 1821 mentality?Or any Greek citizen for this matter?

So you are against the 1821 mentality as well? If all Greeks were like you there wouldn't be any Greeks in existence today.
The modern Greek state was not created by mentalities like yours, thats for sure. Thankfully, as we established already, you belong to a tiny minority and what you say does not represent the people of Greece.

[SN]

If we exclude this most important factor, then I would see unification evolving gradually over different pre agreed stages, that after 15-20 years will result in having a normal European country in Cyprus. However there is no reason to waste any more time with explaining this, since it is apparent that TCs and Turkey do not want a true unification.

And this kind of mentality is what leads to war.

What Piratis is forgeting to tell you is that the GC have the true inner desire to go war and retake the Island in the first opportunity.

The overwhelming majority of the GC i have met seem to have a flame of hatreted and wish when the geopolitical circumstances allow it to go to war and retake the Island.

Only fools cant see beyond that.Hence accuse the TC that they dont want re-unification.Simply the GC want the whole island Greek and theirs!!!

We are already in war since 1974. What we have now is a cease fire. Of course we want to exhaust all means of liberating our country without any further bloodshed. But if this proves impossible then what other options do we have? Should the French, Greeks and all the others that were under the Germans during WWII simply sign away their lands because they lost the first battles of the war? I don't see where you find anything immoral to the desire of a people of a country to fight, if needed, for the liberation of their own lands.

Plus this kind of mentality that the GC have might lead to a war that will involve myself given the fact i am in my 20's .

And i ask you,why should i go to war for you inability to solve your bi-communal differences?Am i obligated to fight for your 1821 mentality?Or any Greek citizen for this matter?

So you are against the 1821 mentality as well? If all Greeks were like you there wouldn't be any Greeks in existence today.
The modern Greek state was not created by mentalities like yours, thats for sure. Thankfully, as we established already, you belong to a tiny minority and what you say does not represent the people of Greece.

As we have established already you are nothing but a fascist GC that does not represent the GC.

Of course the 1821 was an artifial mentality planned from the Great Powers to make reality a small naval country that would oppose the Ottoman Empire.

They gathered a bunch of uneducated Hellonophone Arvanites,Turk Christians Vlachs Tsakonians and turned then into believing they have anything to do with the ancient Greek Hellenism.

The nation that you are a part of us well is as artificial as it gets.Nothing Hellenic in you or me other the fact we speak the Lingua Franca of an era deep in history.

The fact is that you must recognize political equallity to the TC,the rest are remenants of 1821 Megalo Ideatismous..

[Piratis]

As we have established already you are nothing but a fascist GC that does not represent the GC.

And who established this? I asked you to tell me based on what you call me fascist, and you couldn't answer. And I didn't claim to represent GCs, however my views are representative of the views of the great majority of Greek Cypriots (did you see many GCs disagree with me on the issues we are discussing with you?).

Of course the 1821 was an artifial mentality planned from the Great Powers to make reality a small naval country that would oppose the Ottoman Empire.

They gathered a bunch of uneducated Hellonophone Arvanites,Turk Christians Vlachs Tsakonians and turned then into believing they have anything to do with the ancient Greek Hellenism.

The nation that you are a part of us well is as artificial as it gets.Nothing Hellenic in you or me other the fact we speak the Lingua Franca of an era deep in history.

You can say whatever you want. The fact is that today there is a free Greek state because of the brave Greeks that fought for it, and you obviously have nothing to do with them since as we agreed already you are a pussy.

The fact is that you must recognize political equallity to the TC,the rest are remenants of 1821 Megalo Ideatismous..

And the "1821 Megalo Ideatismous" had as a result a free Greek state. If those ideals did not exist, then there would be no Greeks in Greece today.

If the revolution of 1821 proves something, that is that you should keep fighting for your rights. Most of the times you will be defeated, but if you do not give up, then the right time will come that your rights will align with the interests of the powerful, and that will be the time that you will be rewarded for your struggles.

What we fight for, human rights, liberation and democracy, are universal ideals and we have nothing to be ashamed for. We don't want to harm anybody, we want each TC to be equal and have the exact same right as each GC, and we want the well being of all Cypriots without exception. What we will not accept is to be forced to live in an undemocratic puppet state because that suits the interests of some others. The struggle is a difficult one, but it is a just and fair one, so we will not give it up.

[Chimera]

Tonight I will go to bed a sadder person for having read what this SN avater spouts.

You are a very poor (in the heart) and dispirited person.

What has happened in your young life to make you so bitter and disillussioned with the way of the world, already?

Greece can't afford to give away it's connections and past so easily. True Cyprus will be truly Independent soon, but we have an understanding, a shared history. We have had fun in the Hellenic world. It is only the Turks that have clouded it. On this we need to be reminded sometimes, since the Turkish Propaganda Machine never stops trying to undermine us.

ELEFTHERIA or DEATH (no I don't really mean that last word )

[SN]

As we have established already you are nothing but a fascist GC that does not represent the GC.

And who established this? I asked you to tell me based on what you call me fascist, and you couldn't answer. And I didn't claim to represent GCs, however my views are representative of the views of the great majority of Greek Cypriots (did you see many GCs disagree with me on the issues we are discussing with you?).

Of course the 1821 was an artifial mentality planned from the Great Powers to make reality a small naval country that would oppose the Ottoman Empire.

They gathered a bunch of uneducated Hellonophone Arvanites,Turk Christians Vlachs Tsakonians and turned then into believing they have anything to do with the ancient Greek Hellenism.

The nation that you are a part of us well is as artificial as it gets.Nothing Hellenic in you or me other the fact we speak the Lingua Franca of an era deep in history.

You can say whatever you want. The fact is that today there is a free Greek state because of the brave Greeks that fought for it, and you obviously have nothing to do with them since as we agreed already you are a pussy.

The fact is that you must recognize political equallity to the TC,the rest are remenants of 1821 Megalo Ideatismous..

And the "1821 Megalo Ideatismous" had as a result a free Greek state. If those ideals did not exist, then there would be no Greeks in Greece today.

If the revolution of 1821 proves something, that is that you should keep fighting for your rights. Most of the times you will be defeated, but if you do not give up, then the right time will come that your rights will align with the interests of the powerful, and that will be the time that you will be rewarded for your struggles.

What we fight for, human rights, liberation and democracy, are universal ideals and we have nothing to be ashamed for. We don't want to harm anybody, we want each TC to be equal and have the exact same right as each GC, and we want the well being of all Cypriots without exception. What we will not accept is to be forced to live in an undemocratic puppet state because that suits the interests of some others. The struggle is a difficult one, but it is a just and fair one, so we will not give it up.

The fact that you implied war or accepting war shows your true wish never to grant TC equality hence your fascism is self-prooved.Already 25% said yes to Annan plan and if it wasnt for Papadopoulos crying on national TV and Christofias backing the plann last minute many GC would agree to political equality.So i dont see how you represent ''majority'' when infact adopting war as a probable solution.

The rest is romantic crap.We have through that.Only some GC live in this era.Maybe some Kalamarades in mainland Greece as well.
The Greek nation existed only bsc the agendas of the Great Powers decided so,no greek nation was even alive.It was only artifially created,what ever crap you wanna believe.