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[Pyrpolizer]

But we're not Turks....we're Turkish Cypriots!!!!

We're not foreigners.

True T_c.

Some (*) people in Cyprus tend to confuse the GCs with Greeks and the Tcs with Turks. Let me say it in Greek: KAMIA SCHESI/Absolutely no resemblance.

Actually it's not some (*) people.They are a lot.

[Pyrpolizer]

There is tension, mistrust and resentment and the question is how to end this.

As I had said long time ago what is the important question is the where we want to go. The how comes second, since there is no point in discussing on "how" we will go somewhere before we know where that somewhere is.

So if we could agree (and be honest about it) that where we want to go, the final aim, is one, united, truly independent and truly democratic Cyprus without racist discriminations, then I am sure we can find the paths that will lead as to this destination.

However if the majority of TCs want what Murataga, Zan and VP want, which is to make a part of Cyprus legitimately Turkish, then obviously the "where" we want to go is totally different, and therefore discussing the "how" is useless. If in fact TCs want to make Turkish the north part of Cyprus, which is the homeland of 5 times more GCs than TCs, then I hope you can see there is no way we can stop being enemies, and the tensions, mistrust and hate can only increase.

Well it's obvious those 3 people want something close to the Annan plan. Strict bi-zonality where they will be the vast majority in the northern part and where the few Gcs who will be living there will have absolutely no say in anything. This is actually disguised partition.As for GC properties, with the exception of VP the others just "assume" everything.

Anyway how do you see re-unification evolving Piratis? I am kind of confused from your sayings.

[denizaksulu]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Considering that I just have to look at some TCs and see them as very tall, blond and blue eyed, I can not but agree with you Pyro.

If some of us are the descendants of the Janicheris/Yeniceris, they themselves were of European descent. So I would agree with you on this one. For some idiotic remark that we are not Cypriots all I say is get real.
It is most likely that some TCs bloodline/genetics go back beyond 1571. Do not dare take away our Cypriotness Chimera. If there are more people who think like you do I am afraid you will lose forever what has been lost now.
Regards
DA

[Chimera]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Well each to their own, the best thing about living in a democracy.

However I would argue that the term TC or Turkish speaking Cypriots is at best, ARCHAIC.
It's like saying, "French speaking English". It just does not make logical sense. Especially in this day and age when a lot of us are bi-lingual (or tri-lingual).

Also, I re-iterate that one of the major problems with the Zurich Agreement which made it unworkable from the start was the equal recognition of both languges. Again ARCHAIC. It probably suited the Swiss to have more than one language but they did not have the chasm of differences that the Turks and indigenous Cypriots have.

As for the little rhyme, it merely demonstrates that we can keep reducing the problem to infinity, but it never goes away!

I would never for a moment suggest fleas and Turks have the same DNA.
Fleas have been around a lot longer. But I can see why the analogy may have stung if you are feeling particularly sensitive about the actions of the Turks...I can see how their actions could be likened to those of fleas.

As for re-unification... What I want is Cyprus back and that is all.
The Turks can integrate or return to countries that suit them better. We have put up with enough disturbances and they can not be trusted to behave any more.

[denizaksulu]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Well each to their own, the best thing about living in a democracy.

However I would argue that the term TC or Turkish speaking Cypriots is at best, ARCHAIC.
It's like saying, "French speaking English". It just does not make logical sense. Especially in this day and age when a lot of us are bi-lingual (or tri-lingual).

Also, I re-iterate that one of the major problems with the Zurich Agreement which made it unworkable from the start was the equal recognition of both languges. Again ARCHAIC. It probably suited the Swiss to have more than one language but they did not have the chasm of differences that the Turks and indigenous Cypriots have.

As for the little rhyme, it merely demonstrates that we can keep reducing the problem to infinity, but it never goes away!

I would never for a moment suggest fleas and Turks have the same DNA.
Fleas have been around a lot longer. But I can see why the analogy may have stung if you are feeling particularly sensitive about the actions of the Turks...I can see how their actions could be likened to those of fleas.

As for re-unification... What I want is Cyprus back and that is all.
The Turks can integrate or return to countries that suit them better. We have put up with enough disturbances and they can not be trusted to behave any more.

I suppose you can be trusted. You are not only a Turk hater, understandable but also a TC hater. What a shame. A hint of Xenophobia I'd say.

[Chimera]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Well each to their own, the best thing about living in a democracy.

However I would argue that the term TC or Turkish speaking Cypriots is at best, ARCHAIC.
It's like saying, "French speaking English". It just does not make logical sense. Especially in this day and age when a lot of us are bi-lingual (or tri-lingual).

Also, I re-iterate that one of the major problems with the Zurich Agreement which made it unworkable from the start was the equal recognition of both languges. Again ARCHAIC. It probably suited the Swiss to have more than one language but they did not have the chasm of differences that the Turks and indigenous Cypriots have.

As for the little rhyme, it merely demonstrates that we can keep reducing the problem to infinity, but it never goes away!

I would never for a moment suggest fleas and Turks have the same DNA.
Fleas have been around a lot longer. But I can see why the analogy may have stung if you are feeling particularly sensitive about the actions of the Turks...I can see how their actions could be likened to those of fleas.

As for re-unification... What I want is Cyprus back and that is all.
The Turks can integrate or return to countries that suit them better. We have put up with enough disturbances and they can not be trusted to behave any more.

I suppose you can be trusted. You are not only a Turk hater, understandable but also a TC hater. What a shame. A hint of Xenophobia I'd say.

Den: If you were not so selective in your reading, you would have seen I invited integration from the Turks..unless of course they do not want that.

As for hating Turks, I will stop when we get even.

As for calling me Xenophobic..Stop right there. You do not know what the word means.
XENOPHOBIA = FEAR of STRANGERS
I do not fear strangers. If you are stumbling for the "R" word, come out and say it. I am more qualified than most to argue on that one.

[denizaksulu]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Well each to their own, the best thing about living in a democracy.

However I would argue that the term TC or Turkish speaking Cypriots is at best, ARCHAIC.
It's like saying, "French speaking English". It just does not make logical sense. Especially in this day and age when a lot of us are bi-lingual (or tri-lingual).

Also, I re-iterate that one of the major problems with the Zurich Agreement which made it unworkable from the start was the equal recognition of both languges. Again ARCHAIC. It probably suited the Swiss to have more than one language but they did not have the chasm of differences that the Turks and indigenous Cypriots have.

As for the little rhyme, it merely demonstrates that we can keep reducing the problem to infinity, but it never goes away!

I would never for a moment suggest fleas and Turks have the same DNA.
Fleas have been around a lot longer. But I can see why the analogy may have stung if you are feeling particularly sensitive about the actions of the Turks...I can see how their actions could be likened to those of fleas.

As for re-unification... What I want is Cyprus back and that is all.
The Turks can integrate or return to countries that suit them better. We have put up with enough disturbances and they can not be trusted to behave any more.

I suppose you can be trusted. You are not only a Turk hater, understandable but also a TC hater. What a shame. A hint of Xenophobia I'd say.

Den: If you were not so selective in your reading, you would have seen I invited integration from the Turks..unless of course they do not want that.

As for hating Turks, I will stop when we get even.

As for calling me Xenophobic..Stop right there. You do not know what the word means.
XENOPHOBIA = FEAR of STRANGERS
I do not fear strangers. If you are stumbling for the "R" word, come out and say it. I am more qualified than most to argue on that one.

You want a settlement 'without the Turks born on Cyprus.' What do you mean by 'integration'? Are you talking about Turks or TCs? I am not sure. Would you arrange/allow your offspring to marry my off-spring? Are you talking of Osmosis? I know in the UK intermarriage does take place between us but are you accepting or going to encourage this?
Regards
DA

Regards

[Pyrpolizer]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Well each to their own, the best thing about living in a democracy.

However I would argue that the term TC or Turkish speaking Cypriots is at best, ARCHAIC.
It's like saying, "French speaking English". It just does not make logical sense. Especially in this day and age when a lot of us are bi-lingual (or tri-lingual).

Also, I re-iterate that one of the major problems with the Zurich Agreement which made it unworkable from the start was the equal recognition of both languges. Again ARCHAIC. It probably suited the Swiss to have more than one language but they did not have the chasm of differences that the Turks and indigenous Cypriots have.

As for the little rhyme, it merely demonstrates that we can keep reducing the problem to infinity, but it never goes away!

I would never for a moment suggest fleas and Turks have the same DNA.
Fleas have been around a lot longer. But I can see why the analogy may have stung if you are feeling particularly sensitive about the actions of the Turks...I can see how their actions could be likened to those of fleas.

As for re-unification... What I want is Cyprus back and that is all.
The Turks can integrate or return to countries that suit them better. We have put up with enough disturbances and they can not be trusted to behave any more.

Who said we are all billingual IN CYPRUS??? Very few people can speak English fluently. That;s why this forum is dominated by diaspora Cypriots.

Imo you have to respect the fact that someone's mother language is Turkish or Greek. This is what makes a GC and a TC, we are almost identical to the rest. As for the language you are wrong this WAS NOT the reason of the problems of 1960 constitution. State Bi-linguality just means all official government documents should be in 2 languages, as well all laws. I don't see any problem with that.

Imo in a solution, the knoeledge of Greek or Turkish as foreign languages by people of the other mother tongue should be a pre-requisite to get a government job.
Learning another language is always a huge + to the education of every person.

[Pyrpolizer]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

I personally like the term TCs or Turkish speaking Cypriots.

But why are you saying that? Aren't the TCs human like us? Have you ever heard that we have the same DNA like the TCs which differs too much from that of the mainland Greeks and Turks?

I believe your comment that they are sort of fleas very degrading, and I completely disagree with you. Yes they hurt us and we hurt them in the past. If we haven't yet learned our lesson then what's the point of even talking for reunification?

Considering that I just have to look at some TCs and see them as very tall, blond and blue eyed, I can not but agree with you Pyro.

If some of us are the descendants of the Janicheris/Yeniceris, they themselves were of European descent. So I would agree with you on this one. For some idiotic remark that we are not Cypriots all I say is get real.
It is most likely that some TCs bloodline/genetics go back beyond 1571. Do not dare take away our Cypriotness Chimera. If there are more people who think like you do I am afraid you will lose forever what has been lost now.
Regards
DA

Even Talat and his wife Oya are like that Deniz...

Some people are so obsessed with this Greek/Turk mania they are losing all the plot.

Papadopoulos looks like a Turk from the depths of Asia to me though.

[Piratis]

Pyrpolizer, the reason I call TCs as just Turks some times is that they unfortunately behave exactly like Turkish invadors and not like Cypriots. They themselves say that there are "two peoples" in Cyprus. Well, I know we belong to the one Cypriot people. So if TCs do not also belong to this one Cypriot people then we can just safely call them just Turks, or "Turks born in Cyprus" as Chimera sometimes says. It is their choice, not mine.

Secondly, what I noticed is that most TCs from Paphos, Limassol, Larnaca and the free areas in general are more than willing to just forget those areas and live in north. It is apparent that they do not have a deep connection and love for their homeland as we do. If they loved Cyprus, and Cyprus is the whole island, then they wouldn't want to partition it. It is not a few times that we hear from some TCs that their country is the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" and they couldn't care less about the rest of the island. (note how they themselves called their "state": They called it a "Turkish" and not a "Turkish Cypriot" Republic)

Anyway how do you see re-unification evolving Piratis? I am kind of confused from your sayings.

Under the current circumstances I don't see re-unification evolving, since TCs and Turkey simply do not want unification.
If we exclude this most important factor, then I would see unification evolving gradually over different pre agreed stages, that after 15-20 years will result in having a normal European country in Cyprus. However there is no reason to waste any more time with explaining this, since it is apparent that TCs and Turkey do not want a true unification.