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[Chimera]

Interesting thought Pyrpolizer.

But when we restore the Island back to normal I would be only to relieved if it came without the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus".

Surely Turkey loves them enough she will take them all in.......Oh I see then the "Turks-born-in-Asia Minor" will trip over them...

A bit like:

"Big fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite them,
and little fleas have smaller fleas,
and so on ad Infinitum..."

[zan]

Why should Cyprus capitulate with a Federal system of full power sharing with the Turks, when the main reason the Zurich agreement failed, was because of an extortionate amount of power, was handed to the Turks.

They were flumexed, could not commit to their duties and the whole thing failed. Leave it to the indigenous Cypriots who really care, and have a long-term commitment to the place to sort it out.

We only need to improve the Zurich agreement and we are away again.

Hopefully, minus any baggage that doesn't want to pull it's weight.

Good point Chimera.
Someone told me a reason once that stuck in my mind.I repeat it's not my thought, I just found this reason interesting.

He said we had all these problems because we were the majority and the Tcs were the minority and they were always tripping us.

Lets reverse the tables and let them play the game themselves in their own area, to see how good they would be when we will be tripping them

Doesn't take much to whip up some hate does it boys and girls. "We want unification and equality for" all goes out of the window as soon as some racist bitch comes in and gets you going.....Come on Pyro...Give us another speech about how you respect all Cypriots......

[Piratis]

Turkish Cypriot, if I am Greek, and the great majority of Cypriots are Greek, and this is how it has been for 1000s of years, then yes, Cyprus is Greek. As simple as that. No Turk of Enlgish or American or whatever can change Cyprus from what it is.

I know you think you can change it by invasion, force, and ethnic cleansing. After all this is what the Turks have been doing for 100s of years. Just know that we will not let you.

So, I repeat, you are free to live in a free democratic Cyprus whose destiny is decided democratically by the Cypriots which you and all TCs can be part as an equal citizens- we are ready to forgive you and accept you. But forcing your will on Cypriots, and your other brutal Ottoman methods will only serve to make you an enemy in the eyes of the Cypriots and this will eventually determine your fate on this island.

[zan]

Turkish Cypriot, if I am Greek, and the great majority of Cypriots are Greek, and this is how it has been for 1000s of years, then yes, Cyprus is Greek. As simple as that. No Turk of Enlgish or American or whatever can change Cyprus from what it is.

I know you think you can change it by invasion, force, and ethnic cleansing. After all this is what the Turks have been doing for 100s of years. Just know that we will not let you.

So, I repeat, you are free to live in a free democratic Cyprus whose destiny is decided democratically by the Cypriots which you and all TCs can be part as an equal citizens- we are ready to forgive you and accept you. But forcing your will on Cypriots, and your other brutal Ottoman methods will only serve to make you an enemy in the eyes of the Cypriots and this will eventually determine your fate on this island.

It was not changed by force but by a constitution and you then ignored that constitution and went on a killing spree.

[Piratis]

The killing spree was started by the Turks in all occasions. In 1571, in 1821, in the 50s, in 1963 and in 1974.

Here is how you started the 1963 conflict:

On 21 December 1963, an angry Turkish-Cypriot crowd surrounded an armed and nervous Greek-Cypriot police patrol in Nicosia. Accounts of the confrontation differ between the Cypriot communities. On one point, however, they agree; two Turk-Cypriot civilians and one Greek-Cypriot policeman were shot dead. This incident marked a major crisis in the Cypriot inter-communal conflict. The struggle developed into one of overt violence. The initiative fell from the hands of the politicians and was taken up by the communal paramilitary forces.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cypr ... p%203.html

So don't try to blame the GCs because in some inter-communal conflict, which you started, you had some 100s of casualties as well, when you have killed 10s of thousands of GCs since the day you set your foot on this island.

[zan]

The killing spree was started by the Turks in all occasions. In 1571, in 1821, in the 50s, in 1963 and in 1974.

Here is how you started the 1963 conflict:

On 21 December 1963, an angry Turkish-Cypriot crowd surrounded an armed and nervous Greek-Cypriot police patrol in Nicosia. Accounts of the confrontation differ between the Cypriot communities. On one point, however, they agree; two Turk-Cypriot civilians and one Greek-Cypriot policeman were shot dead. This incident marked a major crisis in the Cypriot inter-communal conflict. The struggle developed into one of overt violence. The initiative fell from the hands of the politicians and was taken up by the communal paramilitary forces.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cypr ... p%203.html

So don't try to blame the GCs because in some inter-communal conflict, which you started, you had some 100s of casualties as well, when you have killed 10s of thousands of GCs since the day you set your foot on this island.

At least try to hide it when you are lying Piratis. With the posting of the link you have signed a confession..... MY My what a mess you ahve become since you have been stripped of your numbers...sad really.


The article in more detail>>>

THE MOST VIOLENT PERIOD: 21 DECEMBER 1963 -10 AUGUST 1964

On 21 December 1963, an angry Turkish-Cypriot crowd surrounded an armed and nervous Greek-Cypriot police patrol in Nicosia. Accounts of the confrontation differ between the Cypriot communities.[footnote 1] On one point, however, they agree; two Turk-Cypriot civilians and one Greek-Cypriot policeman were shot dead. This incident marked a major crisis in the Cypriot inter-communal conflict. The struggle developed into one of overt violence. The initiative fell from the hands of the politicians and was taken up by the communal paramilitary forces.

Greek-Cypriot leaders characterized the fighting following 21 December as an insurrection of Turk-Cypriot extremists against the Republic to achieve partition, and of justified counter-measures by government forces to contain violence and rout the rebels.[2] The Turk-Cypriot version of these same events is that the inter-communal fighting was initiated by a Greek- Cypriot offensive. In accordance with the Akritas Plan, as a result of which the main Turkish-Cypriot centres were to be occupied as a precursor to a Greek-Cypriot renouncement of the 1960 treaties and constitution, and a declaration of enosis.[3]

There is no doubt that by December 1963 both communities were extremely frustrated by the constitutional wrangle, and most Cypriots expected an outbreak of violence to be precipitated by armed extremists of either side. Perhaps there is little to be gained from apportioning blame to one of the communities for starting the fighting. Nevertheless, it is known that the Greek-Cypriot leaders fully appreciated that the thirteen proposed amendments to the constitution would be unacceptable to Turk-Cypriots, and that their presentation and rejection could precipitate fighting by either side. As early as 1962, Polycarpos Georgadjis, the Minister of the Interior, had warned the officers of his underground army that in the following year President Makarios would propose amendments to the constitution which would be so unacceptable to the Turk-Cypriots that TMT would start fighting. When the amendments were proposed, there was general dismay among many of the leaders of this Greek-Cypriot force that Turk-Cypriots did not rise to the bait. As a result, elements of the Greek-Cypriot police and a number of armed Greek-Cypriot irregulars were attempting to goad TMT into action in December 1963. Had the incident of 21 December not occurred, there can be no doubt that a similar Incident if would have been precipitated by Christmas.[4]

[Piratis]

So? What is wrong with knowing what Turks are all about and be ready for their murderous reaction? Because democracy is unacceptable to Turks does this mean we have to abandon it as well?

[T_C]

[zan]

So? What is wrong with knowing what Turks are all about and be ready for their murderous reaction? Because democracy is unacceptable to Turks does this mean we have to abandon it as well?

You wouldn't know democracy if it jumped up and bit you on the arse.(You really are a lost soul without your numbers)Democracy is making proposals to change the constitution and then having a vote on it , not then trying to murder ALL those that want to vote against you...Where was that place that that happened and thousands of innocent people were killed....Oh yeah....Cyprus.

[Piratis]

1. The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abolished.

2. The Vice-President of the Republic to deputise for or replace the President of the Republic in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties. In consequence, therefore, all the constitutional provisions in respect of joint action by the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be modified accordingly.

3. The Greek President of the House of Representatives and its Turkish Vice-President to be elected by the House as a whole and not as at present the President by the Greek Members of the House and the Vice-President by the Turkish Members of the House.

4. The Vice-President of the House of Representatives to deputise for or replace the President of the House in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties.

5. The constitutional provisions regarding separate majority for enactment of Laws by the House of Representatives to be abolished.

6. The constitutional provision regarding the establishment of separate Municipalities in the five main towns to be abolished. Provision should be made so that: (a) The Municipal Council in each of the aforesaid five towns shall consist of Greek and Turkish Councillors in proportion to the number of the Greek and Turkish inhabitants of such town by whom they shall be elected respectively. (b) In the Budget of each of such aforesaid towns, after deducting any expenditure required for common services, a percentage of the balance proportionate to the number of the Turkish inhabitants of such town shall be earmarked and disposed of in accordance with the wishes of the Turkish Councillors. 7. The constitutional provision regarding Courts consisting of Greek Judges to try Greeks and of Turkish Judges to try Turks and of mixed Courts consisting of Greek and Turkish Judges to try cases where the litigants are Greeks and Turks to be abolished.

8. The division of the Security Forces into Police and Gendarmerie to be abolished, (Provision to be made in case the Head of the Police is a Greek the Deputy Head to be a Turk and vice versa).

9. The numerical strength of the Security Forces and of the Army to be determined by Law and not by agreement between the President and the Vice-President of the Republic.

10. The proportion of the participation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the composition of the Public Service and of the Forces of the Republic, i.e. the Police and the Army, to be modified inproportion to the ratio of the population of Greek and Turkish Cypriots.

11. The number of the members of the Public Service Commission to be reduced from ten to either five or seven.

12. All the decisions of the Public Service Commission to be taken by simple majority. If there is an allegation of discrimination on the unanimous request either of the Greek or of the Turkish members of the Commission, its Chairman to be bound to refer the matter to the Supreme Constitutional Court.

13. The Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished".

Above are the "13 points" proposals that would simply bring Cyprus more in line with what existed in every other democracy in the world. The TCs refused to even discuss them, and for them it was an excuse to start a conflict against us again!!