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[Simon]

[quote]I told you just wish you will not discover oil!!!!!!!Bsc if you will Greece will not hesitate to go to war ''to help'' you!!!!![/quote]


You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

[SN]

Answer me a few questions mate?

Did Greece declare war on Turkey?
Did Greece despatch Naval Warships to attack the Turkish Navy in order to halt the invasion?
Did they despatch fighter aircraft to countenance Turkey's domination of the skies? Did these engage Turkish aircraft?
What percentage of the Armed Forces of the Hellenic Republic fought on Cyprus to defend the island?
Did the Hellenic Armed Forces react in any significant way to defend Cyprus following the invasion; apart from the troops already stationed in Cyprus previously?

The obvious answers to the above questions leads any logical person to the conclusion that Greece did not enter into full-scale warfare to defend Cyprus.

Furthermore, the Treaty of Guarantee does not obligate War in any event. If you have ever read the document, you would know this; which leads me back to my original point. Cyprus cannot obligate Greece to do anything. Greece signs its Treaties out of free will, and once doing so, should uphold them.

I dont know what number of power we send but we send power and were AT AN OFFICIAL STATE OF WAR AS IS THE MEANING OF GENERAL ALLERT
This being said NOW i really wish we didnt send anything and let you all die you ungrateful piece of nothing!!!!!!!!!!!

[SN]

For the attention of SN

During the second World War when Cyprus was under British rule, my father (one of the truest indigenous Cypriots) fought for the British Army. He was sent to Greece to help against the Italian, and then German invasions.

He didn't have to do this, and was in fact a liberal pacifist, but he was forced to by his conscience, to help like-minded democratic people to hold on to their freedom.

Are you know saying, that you will only help Cyprus because you are legally bound to do so, and not because Freedom and Democracy are worth preserving?

I abhor the idea of war, and it would be really great if we could find a way, economic or similar, to remove the Turks from Cyprus.

As you may know Indigenous Cypriots are the only ones who have NEVER invaded another Country, or started an aggressive war. We have only ever defended ourselves. I would dearly love for this to remain unspoilt.

How can a citizen of another country be obligated to go to war for the sovereignity of another country???
The Treaty clearly obligates me and any Greek citizen to go to war in Cyprus if anything happens again.


If your people cant live together no one should be obligated to fight your fight...I would gladly fall for Crete,Corfu,Evros or Rhodes but not for Cyprus.
Many Greeks might have this retarded hellenism issue and indeed fight for Cyprus.I dont deny this.But i wouldnt..

[Simon]

Ungrateful piece of shit?? One second

Let me catch my breath!!

Greece mounts an illegal coup against our President, and I am ungrateful for then expecting them to fully defend the island from an invasion that THEY precipitated!!! Well, I can honestly say, you are a joker!

Greece sent shit!!! Cyprus needed proper support; i.e. substantial naval, air and land forces. Greece provided NOTHING of the required quantities to ever hope of defending the island. Greece did not go to War to defend Cyprus! End of story! When I say 'War' I mean proper, full-scale War, and not a small token force. And if you think any different then you are a bigger idiot than what I previously thought (if that is possible).

[SN]

Ungrateful piece of shit?? One second

Let me catch my breath!!

Greece mounts an illegal coup against our President, and I am ungrateful for then expecting them to fully defend the island from an invasion that THEY precipitated!!! Well, I can honestly say, you are a joker!

Greece sent shit!!! Cyprus needed proper support; i.e. substantial naval, air and land forces. Greece provided NOTHING of the required quantities to ever hope of defending the island. Greece did not go to War to defend Cyprus! End of story! When I say 'War' I mean proper, full-scale War, and not a small token force. And if you think any different then you are a bigger idiot than what I previously thought (if that is possible).

I dont care if you want the whole Hellenic Arm Naval and Airforces to feel that we helped. We should have sent nothing....In fact now that i am thinking about it maybe we should have helped Turkey take the whole island and end this bullshit guarantee thing.Once and for all you would be in Turkiey Cumhuriet!!!!!!!!!That is what you deserve ungrateful Cypriot!!!!!!

Plus 3 post before you said ''Greece's people cannot be held responsible for the Junda'' and bla bla bla.

Greece should let you become ashes just for that statement you made.Now there is no way would i fight for Cyprus.I would gladly help Turkey in next war.Ungrateful!!!!!

[Simon]

Ungrateful? When Greece caused the invasion and did not defend Cyprus afterwards? Now you are simply showing everybody your true colours. pu What you should have done is not mounted a coup against our President in the first place, never mind helping in any invasion.

On your junta comment; how can the majority of the Greek population be blamed for an unelected, CIA supported junta? More complete rubbish.

I would want you on Turkey's side on a battlefield. Nothing would make me happier. I certainly would not want you fighting for Cyprus,

[SN]

:lol:

Ungrateful? When Greece caused the invasion and did not defend Cyprus afterwards? Now you are simply showing everybody your true colours. A pure idiot. What you should have done is not mounted a coup against our President in the first place, never mind helping in any invasion.

On your junta comment; how can the majority of the Greek population be blamed for an unelected, CIA supported junta? More complete rubbish.

I would want you on Turkey's side on a battlefield. Nothing would make me happier. I certainly would not want you fighting for Cyprus, a coward like you would undoubtedly hinder our cause. I would look for you first on any battlefield.

Since the people of Greece are not to be blamed for the Junda why you blame Greece ha?And we did send help even if the Junda just fall ONLY BSC of Cyprus did the Junda fall in Greece.

Next time you ungratefull Cypriot i will gladly help Turkey annex you and burn your flag in your grave.

We shouldnt send ONE person you ungratefull nothing

[Simon]

[quote]Since the people of Greece are not to be blamed for the Junda why you blame Greece ha?And we did send help even if the Junda just fall ONLY BSC of Cyprus did the Junda fall in Greece. [/quote]

I do not blame the Greek people generally. As a nation, politically, Greece had some responsibility for the invasion. There is a clear difference and this is undeniable. Because of the history and current climate of Cyprus, Greece has responsibilities and duties; not least because of the Treaties it has signed. I have already addressed the topic of 'help' so please don't start repeating yourself over and over like you did in another thread we debated. It is unhelpful and just shows your lack of arguments. Greece had a very small force on Cyprus, that was there before the invasion and that never had a hope in hell of defending the island from the large scale Turkish invasion. After causing the invasion, Greece (politically) had a responsibility to do everything in its power to defend Cyprus from it. For whatever reason (collapse of the Junta or whatever) it didn't. These are undeniable facts, even for you. Let us not lose sight of the wider argument here. The point of all this was that Greece was not obligated to go to War, and it didn't. In any event, the Treaty of Guarantee does not obligate War! If it did, Greece would be obligated to still be at war today, as Turkey is still violating the Constitution today. And Greece isn't at War today!!

If the junta collapsed ONLY because of Cyprus then you should be GRATEFUL TO US. We did you a favour. Now you are an ungrateful piece of shit for stating that you wished to fight against Cyprus, the nation that ridded you of your dictatorship.


Then you say this:

[quote]Next time you ungratefull Cypriot i will gladly help Turkey annex you and burn your flag in your grave. [/quote]


As if it is supposed to hurt my feelings. Next time I will gladly put you into your Coffin as you are burning my flag Turk!

[SN]

Since the people of Greece are not to be blamed for the Junda why you blame Greece ha?And we did send help even if the Junda just fall ONLY BSC of Cyprus did the Junda fall in Greece.

I do not blame the Greek people generally. As a nation, politically, Greece had some responsibility for the invasion. There is a clear difference and this is undeniable. Because of the history and current climate of Cyprus, Greece has responsibilities and duties; not least because of the Treaties it has signed. I have already addressed the topic of 'help' so please don't start repeating yourself over and over like you did in another thread we debated. It is unhelpful and just shows your lack of arguments. Greece had a very small force on Cyprus, that was there before the invasion and that never had a hope in hell of defending the island from the large scale Turkish invasion. After causing the invasion, Greece (politically) had a responsibility to do everything in its power to defend Cyprus from it. For whatever reason (collapse of the Junta or whatever) it didn't. These are undeniable facts, even for you. Let us not lose sight of the wider argument here. The point of all this was that Greece was not obligated to go to War, and it didn't. In any event, the Treaty of Guarantee does not obligate War! If it did, Greece would be obligated to still be at war today, as Turkey is still violating the Constitution today. And Greece isn't at War today!!

If the junta collapsed ONLY because of Cyprus then you should be GRATEFUL TO US. We did you a favour. Now you are an ungrateful piece of shit for stating that you wished to fight against Cyprus, the nation that ridded you of your dictatorship.


Then you say this:

Next time you ungratefull Cypriot i will gladly help Turkey annex you and burn your flag in your grave.

As if it is supposed to hurt my feelings. Next time I will gladly put you into your Coffin as you are burning my flag Turk!

My people got rid of Junda bsc they saw that we lost Cyprus over their greed.The Cypriots did nothing for the restoration of democracy in Greece.The people of Greece reacted and asked Karamanlis to come to Greece,
And even though we had a collapsing system we did our best and we did call for GENIKI EPISTRATEUSI which was our obligation once democracy was restored to immediately go to war for Cyprus.Now if for you a war is to concetrate all our forces to Cyprus My family during the EPISTRATEUSI went up north in the Greco-Turkish borders and all of the Greek male population was sent to the borders over Cyprus .Bsc you are ungrateful and ignorant is not my problem.The point is that we did go to war with whatever power we could afford given the circumstances and the fact that we also had to protect Greece.
We did our outmost best

[Simon]

[quote]My people got rid of Junda bsc they saw that we lost Cyprus over their greed.The Cypriots did nothing for the restoration of democracy in Greece.The people of Greece reacted and asked Karamanlis to come to Greece,you ignorant bastard. [/quote]


I did not say any Cypriot had anything to do with the restoration of democracy in Greece. This is your own pathetic assumption. I merely re-affirmed what YOU said, which was: "ONLY BSC of Cyprus did the Junda fall in Greece." Therefore, calling me ignorant is laughable.


[quote]And even though we had a collapsing system we did our best and we did call for GENIKI EPISTRATEUSI you bastard which was our obligation once democracy was restored to immediately go to war for Cyprus.Now if for you a war is to concetrate all our forces to Cyprus then you are an idiot.My family during the EPISTRATEUSI went up north in the Greco-Turkish borders and all of the Greek male population was sent to the borders over Cyprus .Bsc you are ungrateful and ignorant is not my problem.The point is that we did go to war with whatever power we could afford given the circumstances and the fact that we also had to protect Greece.
We did our outmost best[/quote]


A National Alert is not going to War!! Do you understand what military warfare is? I was not saying Greece had to concentrate all its forces to Cyprus, but how about a few Ships to intercept the Turkish Navy, a few planes to counter Turkish dominance over the skies, a decent amount of land troops to resist the masses of Turkey? Greece sent shit!!! Your family went to Greco-Turkish borders, for what, to show them your guns? That is not war, and furthermore, it is certainly not defending Cyprus. It seems that pussies like you do not understand that War actually means fighting, and not standing at the borders.