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[Simon]

[quote]Well no i wouldn like to be deemed an Efialtis.Greece leaves no choice but to BE OBLIGATED to fight for Cyprus...[/quote]



You kidding.....Reading some of your posts regarding Greece I find this quite amusing.

However, it is basically tough look. You still have a choice to say NO. So does the Greek state. Cyprus does not obligate anything. Like I said, the Treaties were freely signed by Greece. If Cyprus could obligate Greece to go to War, you don't think she would have done so in 1974, when Turkey was invading the island? Come on, stop talking rubbish. Since then, Greece has freely signed the Joint Defence Doctrine.

[SN]

Explain how Greece's support was blackmailed?

Whether Greece's self-interest dictated it or not is irrelevant. The point is, they willfully signed it (hence no obligating or blackmailing) and it also suites Cyprus' interests. So everybody is happy apart from you. Just the way I like it.

Greece has caused pain and made mistakes re Cyprus. Mostly because of an unelected junta which the ordinary Greek people can hardly be blamed for. Therefore, perhaps Greece owes Cyprus some support now, in order to rectify past mistakes. I believe she is doing this.

Well you asked us to be your guarantor power.How else would the UK give u independence if we turned down the Treaty?We would be deemed as responsible for continuation of atrocities in Cyprus internationally.


Greece will ''help'' you even more if you have oil.Just wish you will not discover oil bsc Greece will have no hesitation to go to war with Turkey on who will annex you if you have oil.

[SN]

Well no i wouldn like to be deemed an Efialtis.Greece leaves no choice but to BE OBLIGATED to fight for Cyprus...

You kidding.....Reading some of your posts regarding Greece I find this quite amusing.

However, it is basically tough look. You still have a choice to say NO. So does the Greek state. Cyprus does not obligate anything. Like I said, the Treaties were freely signed by Greece. If Cyprus could obligate Greece to go to War, you don't think she would have done so in 1974, when Turkey was invading the island? Come on, stop talking rubbish. Since then, Greece has freely signed the Joint Defence Doctrine.

Excuse me?Didnt we come to your rescue in 74?How many Greek citizens were killed in Cyprus do you know?
Greece was on general alert bsc of Cyprus in 74.We were at war mate until the Attila stopped!!!!!!

[Simon]

Greece saw its interests in Cyprus and involved itself in Cyprus at every stage. It became a guarantor because of its own interests and because of its link to GCs, not because of blackmail. To say GCs blackmailed Greece is simply ridiculous. As I have previously stated, Greece did not go to War with Turkey when it invaded in 1974 (even though Greece caused the bloody invasion); therefore, it is clear to all that it is not obligated by Cyprus to do anything.

[Simon]

Greece had what I would call a token force on Cyprus. It did not by any stretch of the imagination enter into full-scale war with Turkey to defend Cyprus. General alert is not War.

[SN]

Greece saw its interests in Cyprus and involved itself in Cyprus at every stage. It became a guarantor because of its own interests and because of its link to GCs, not because of blackmail. To say GCs blackmailed Greece is simply ridiculous. As I have previously stated, Greece did not go to War with Turkey when it invaded in 1974; therefore, it is clear to all that it is not obligated by Cyprus to do anything.

What are you saying mate?Do you deny that we send forces on the Island in 74????????????Are u crazy or something?

Do you deny that the whole of Greece was at GENIKI EPISTRATEUSI over Cyprus?????

[T_C]

[SN]

Greece had what I would call a token force on Cyprus. It did not by any stretch of the imagination enter into full-scale war with Turkey to defend Cyprus. General alert is not War.

I told you just wish you will not discover oil!!!!!!!Bsc if you will Greece will not hesitate to go to war ''to help'' you!!!!!

[Chimera]

For the attention of SN

During the second World War when Cyprus was under British rule, my father (one of the truest indigenous Cypriots) fought for the British Army. He was sent to Greece to help against the Italian, and then German invasions.

He didn't have to do this, and was in fact a liberal pacifist, but he was forced to by his conscience, to help like-minded democratic people to hold on to their freedom.

Are you know saying, that you will only help Cyprus because you are legally bound to do so, and not because Freedom and Democracy are worth preserving?

I abhor the idea of war, and it would be really great if we could find a way, economic or similar, to remove the Turks from Cyprus.

As you may know Indigenous Cypriots are the only ones who have NEVER invaded another Country, or started an aggressive war. We have only ever defended ourselves. I would dearly love for this to remain unspoilt.

[Simon]

Answer me a few questions mate?

Did Greece declare war on Turkey?
Did Greece despatch Naval Warships to attack the Turkish Navy in order to halt the invasion?
Did they despatch fighter aircraft to countenance Turkey's domination of the skies? Did these engage Turkish aircraft?
What percentage of the Armed Forces of the Hellenic Republic fought on Cyprus to defend the island?
Did the Hellenic Armed Forces react in any significant way to defend Cyprus following the invasion; apart from the troops already stationed in Cyprus previously?

The obvious answers to the above questions leads any logical person to the conclusion that Greece did not enter into full-scale warfare to defend Cyprus; which leads me back to my original point. Cyprus cannot obligate Greece to do anything. Greece signs its Treaties out of free will, and once doing so, should uphold them.

Furthermore, the Treaty of Guarantee does not obligate War in any event. If you have ever read the document, you would know this.