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Makarios' "13 Points" (November 1963)

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Chimera » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:14 am

halil wrote:DT,
u were talking about makarios statement in those links if u read , u can see as well. i don,t care who are they.As long as i know they are not turkish.
do u think it,s a turkish propaganda as well , if this is a turkish propaganda everything we read about the turks must be propaganda. than where is the truth ?

:?:


Halil, that is a very pertinant question. If we can not believe everything we read about the turks...

then the truth must lie in their ACTIONS.....The end result of all they have done can not be hidden. Only the end result of their actions can be trusted as not being propaganda. On this I am sure you must shamefully agree.

The end result of Turkey's actions can be seen by us all and that is the undeniable truth.
They killed their way through an invasion of a small neighbouring state and show no remorse.
They continue to use the ignorant imbeciles they call their own, as hostages so that Turkey has a VOICE in International politics. For this they should be discredited...For their actions!

And you can leave words out altogether if you can't trust them. I agree :!:

The means to an end.

Turkeys actions' speak louder than words....and these will be the detriment to mankind and civilisation. :twisted:
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Postby the_snake_and_the_crane » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:09 pm

YOu are so fucking stupid it gives a new meaning to STUPIDITY! The man claimed some TCs write "north" beginning with a capital letter - I proved to him why his claim was flawed and stupid - How did I shoot myself in the foot - you king of the idiots?


You didnt prove shit - you just cut and pasted something from the dictionary which you misunderstood anyway.

Therefore, as with your bullshit breath friend Zan, stop being trigger happy on those smileys - unless they are the kind of smiles retards give which in that case suits you well.
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Postby DT. » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:50 pm

halil wrote:DT,
u were talking about makarios statement in those links if u read , u can see as well. i don,t care who are they.As long as i know they are not turkish.
do u think it,s a turkish propaganda as well , if this is a turkish propaganda everything we read about the turks must be propaganda. than where is the truth ?

:?:


Halil, its your intent I question. DO you wish to compete on who carried out the biggest atrocities? I know what I believe and I have a tonne of non-greek websites to back it up, but do we want to play this game?
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Postby bigOz » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:51 pm

the_snake_and_the_crane wrote:
YOu are so fucking stupid it gives a new meaning to STUPIDITY! The man claimed some TCs write "north" beginning with a capital letter - I proved to him why his claim was flawed and stupid - How did I shoot myself in the foot - you king of the idiots?


You didnt prove shit - you just cut and pasted something from the dictionary which you misunderstood anyway.

Therefore, as with your bullshit breath friend Zan, stop being trigger happy on those smileys - unless they are the kind of smiles retards give which in that case suits you well.

Listen DUMBO! Dis=ctionaries are the sources of meaning and sopelling of words! What is your source for accusing people of writing something wrong if you do not agree with what a dictionary says.

It is very clear from the explanation that a region of of a country referred to as North should be in capital letters - what part of it is it that your thick skull does not comprehend?

Admit it - just lik eyour master YOU ARE EXTRA-ORDINARILY STUPID! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:21 pm

Bananiot wrote:Her is the exact quote from Al Khaleej

Galadari: The Turkish Cypriots say that Mr Papadopoulos is a hard liner.

Papadopoulos: From the beginning, they were planning for a separation. But, in fact, the Turkish Cypriots were the ones who committed massacres and in 1963 we asked to increase the police patrols, but they refused. From 1963 to 1974, how many Turkish Cypriots were killed? The answer is, none.


Papadopoulos is the worse type of a liar and Pyrpolyser, you will have a hard time defending his lies. I do not envy you.

Now, one must remember that the period we are examining was immediately after the EOKA struggle. Do not forget that we embarked on an armed struggle for enosis which ended without success only a few months before. We were not ready to bury the dream just yet. Enosis was high on the agenda, in fact, it was the only issue on the agenda. We never accepted the London-Zurich agreements, not because they did not provide for a truly independent Cyprus but because we had our sight firmly turned towards Greece. Had we, the dominant community, accepted that enosis was a forlorn hope and that a united independent Cyprus was the order of the day, no Denktash or any other hard liner from the Turkish Cypriot community, could have disturbed the peace in Cyprus. Our actions armed the extremists and the partitionists who in turn fuelled the intercommunal hate and thus we arrived at the de facto partition which our President is trying hard to consolidate because he thinks that it is, under the circumstances, the second best solution (Helsinki speech).


a) First of all if you read the newspaper article carefully you will notice it has been edited. There is no way Papadopoulos has ever said the Larnaca Airoprt is just 20 Km from "Turkish Cyprus". :shock:
Here's the article

b)The request for increasing the police patrols was NOT in 1963 but in 1967. Read here
It is more than obvious the editor has CUT OFF some major parts from Papadopoulos reply and messed up the dates. Even the last chicken in Cyprus knows there was violence in Cyprus in 1967, so I don't think Papadopoulos would make such a silly mistake. In your opinion of course he intentionally lied....

b.2)Any news regarding your original manuscript of Papadopoulos interview from PIO??

c)I don't understand what all the remaining rhetoric has to do with ANYTHING I said!
If you are replying to anything specific I said, then just quote it and point me where exactly you disagree.

d)Papadopoulos never said that the current situation is the second best SOLUTION. Why do you distort things to your like? Every logical person understood he said the present situation is better than the Annan Plan.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:12 pm



Welcome to Rainbow - Political party of the ethnic Macedonians in Greece

So you don't care as long as it is not Turkish. How about quoting you some Kurdish sites then?

Halil don't you know Greece is enemies with FYROM (Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia) who claim Northern Greece?
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:32 pm

What a laugh! Papadopoulos has made so many blunders and you still think he does not make silly mistakes. Do you remember when he attended the memorial for a well known music teacher and what he said in his speech? Do you need me to remind you?

Were you by any chance in Helsinki when he made his speech? It was reporter by two journalists and later the excerpt under question was "put right" by Yiannis Nicolaou of RIK who wasn't even in the room!

What is amazing is your haste to protect Papadopoulos. The particular quote from Al Khaleej was brought up many times by his adveraries and only lately Papadopoulos managed to give an excuse (through his spokesman, Pasiardis at the time) which is much different from the one you gave. As I said, the original and authentic script can be found at PIO or perhaps KYPE and the excuse had to be different from the one you gave (editing errors, imish).

My political sense tells me (to carry on with my rhetoric) that Papadopoulos is playing a double game. He has instructed his faithfull (Angelides, Pittokopitis, Koulias, Archbishop and a few others from EDEK) to hit at the bizonal, bicommunal federation all day and when this is pointed out by the opposition, his spokesman (Palmas, married to Papadopoulos's niece) quickly reassures everybody that Papadopoulos disagrees with them. What a circus!
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:41 pm

Bananiot wrote:What a laugh! Papadopoulos has made so many blunders and you still think he does not make silly mistakes.

If TP was to disappear off the face of the earth what would you then write about? :)
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Postby DT. » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:What a laugh! Papadopoulos has made so many blunders and you still think he does not make silly mistakes.

If TP was to disappear off the face of the earth what would you then write about? :)


The adventures of TP gone walkabout?
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:20 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:What a laugh! Papadopoulos has made so many blunders and you still think he does not make silly mistakes.

If TP was to disappear off the face of the earth what would you then write about? :)


The adventures of TP gone walkabout?

:lol:
How TP masterminded his own walkabout... :lol:
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