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Why are some diaspora Cypriots living in a time warp?

Postby cypezokyli » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:24 am

Alkan CAGLARRecently I discovered my name on an online “list of traitors to the KKTC” (the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) among other Turkish Cypriot writers. In true World War II style, the author like the website the list was placed on was a member of the diaspora Cypriot community, summoning all Turkish Cypriots to defend the KKTC against these traitors. The event made me ask why so many diaspora Cypriots living in 21st century multi-cultural societies are desperately resurrecting and clinging onto an anachronistic nationalism from the time of their grand parents. presenting it as a form of patriotism, despite the fact that they were born, raised and live abroad, and not in Cyprus, these young mostly London Cypriots brought up abroad talk of the glory of the Ottoman Empire or Alexandra the Great as if they were happening today and talk of the superiority of their parent's ‘homeland.' I began to question: Why are some diaspora Cypriots living in a time warp?

Homesickness and tomorrow

To comprehend why anachronistic ideas of nationalism from the 1950s, 60s and 70s lives on among diaspora communities today, one need to find the seeds of this thinking. Living as a minority in a sea of Anglophones and faced with recurrent homesickness, new arrival parents often brought up their children talking incessantly of the homeland they left behind, forgetting that they live in a new land, one that is the only home their offspring can identify with. The “homeland of Cyprus” was not only the subject of frequent conversations within families or between friends in Cypriot “Kahves” or “Kafenions,” but the goal of tomorrow. Understandably, those first generations homesick with memories of simple village life, the smells, feel and tastes of the island, often referred to Cyprus as a paradise or utopia, where they once lived and want to one day retire and enjoy, but cannot because of the ‘enemy.' With no reference to the ‘alien' land they have lived and worked in, and whose culture their children belong to as well, many diaspora Cypriots like my late great grandparents, lived with this dream of living tomorrow, while sadly the tomorrow they longed for, where they would return to Cyprus, never came.Shaped by an upbringing in Britain where Cyprus was the focus of life, from its food, to its music, its traditions, its wedding, and its way of mourning the dead, second and third generations tried too to cling onto their grandparents memories, as a way of preserving not only their heritage, but a more personal love for their departed Nene or Dede. Often the memories shared by their grandparent's refer to a time of joyfulness, sights of orange blossoms, buzzing of hornets, little jasmine necklaces and lace work made by villagers for a small living, but now and again they recount memories of hostility towards those who terrorized them and drove them out. Whether these acts were in the 1950s, 60s or early 70s, the memories of civil war have been kept alive by generations of families, like my own, by the role Cyprus past and present plays in diaspora families and by the continued lack of justice in Cyprus itself. Watching their grandparents and parents lament in suffering over a foreign land, the injustice affected many British Cypriots too. Naturally, faced with integration problems in their adopted land, obvious risks of assimilation and for many the presence of the ‘enemy' in their new home, for some; even after the death of the first arrivals, preserving their heritage became a form of defending their perceived ‘fatherland' the KKTC no matter what and defending it was not just politics but a personal issue. Despite the fact that their grand parents and parents lived before the KKTC, for many young Turkish Cypriots the KKTC has come to symbolize their struggle.

‘Defender' of ones community

Like many young politically active Turkish Cypriot boys, I too subscribed to this view for a long time, even joining marches and despising those whom I accused of imposing the ‘embargoes' on our state. With a copy of Harry Scott Gibbon's “Genocide Files” as my bible, I even wrote letters to governments all over the world, from Malta to Japan asking for recognition of the KKTC – I styled myself as a defender of the community, the role gave me a purpose in a society, where despite the fact that I was born here, I still felt a stranger and was commonly made to feel like one. Today, I see many British Turkish Cypriot youth wasting their energies on fighting the ‘enemy,' on wasting their energy on pursuing recognition or by leaving their mark on internet forums attacking their ‘opponents.' For every ‘defender', for every post there is an equivalent Greek Cypriot youth doing the same thing. Their struggle is one mixed with a yearning for what they perceive as justice and a respect for those who shaped their views. By repetition they are demonstrating what they were taught and the injustice they feel in their own family. Without the opportunity to learn about the suffering of other Cypriot communities, nationalist ideas inherited from family members have become banal and represent an instant solution to a complex issue.

How my perception changed

My own views, which were once the same changed when I visited Cyprus. While imparting my knowledge on those whose interests I had delegated myself as a defender, I was made to see events more clearly. Firstly, those I defended did not hate the Greek Cypriots nor could they necessarily remember past events my grand parents could, but instead they were alarmed by continued corruption and cronyism that has come to signify the KKTC. They complained how the same Ministers appealing to the unsuspecting diaspora for aid were themselves embezzling money from the public purse and using Republic of Cyprus passports to travel to their Swiss bank accounts. Then they spoke of how the “Greeks who could not be trusted” provided free health care and honoured pension payments even after partition.Sick of being ordered to defend the KKTC themselves, ordinary moderate Turkish Cypriots informed me how the KKTC was responsible for their isolation, keeping them prisoner since 1983 and for what? They reminded me that settlers were running his Turkish Cypriot state and that the military had the final say over civilian politics. When I reminded them of past atrocities, they informed me of our own atrocities, desecrated Christian cemeteries and churches, the theft of religious icons, and the sale of refugee property. Suddenly I didn't feel like a victim anymore. Returning home, my picture of Cyprus that had been formed from generations had swiftly changed in several days. No longer was there a single ‘enemy' or demonic figure that I could pin all my anger on. Instead the picture was far more complex. My time in Cyprus taught me that despite my own family's turmoil, British Cypriots imagining nothing has altered in time in Cyprus, do not realise that Cyprus Cypriots, the ones living there are the ones seeing everything with their own eyes and experiencing the effects of the Cyprus problem. It is this picture that prompted me to divert my energy not to fight for one Cypriot community, but for all, since all are intrinsically linked to one another. Can you have a solution any other way? I learnt that if you want to be a defender of anything in your life, be a defender of the universality of human rights, and don't be selective about whom you defend!

* British-born Turkish Cypriot Alkan Chaglar is a columnist for the UK-based Toplum Postasi, where he is English Editor.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=79523


just out of curiosity , could someone post that list of traitors ?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:35 pm

The online list of "Tc traitors" is at the lunatics site Cypez.
Here it is
http://www.atcanews.org/phpBB2/viewtopi ... ht=traitor

@Zan: Watch how your "tough & determined" hanum, watered down her position once again. Hope you remember your claims last week
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Postby the_snake_and_the_crane » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:20 pm

those ATCA freaks are truely messed in the head lol
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Postby Chimera » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:46 pm

So that's the source of the half-baked ideas and lies expounded by the retrograde Turks on this forum.

The missing link between reality and absurdity. The well-spring of their ill-informed utterances.
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Re: Why are some diaspora Cypriots living in a time warp?

Postby zan » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:11 pm

cypezokyli wrote:
Alkan CAGLARRecently I discovered my name on an online “list of traitors to the KKTC” (the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) among other Turkish Cypriot writers. In true World War II style, the author like the website the list was placed on was a member of the diaspora Cypriot community, summoning all Turkish Cypriots to defend the KKTC against these traitors. The event made me ask why so many diaspora Cypriots living in 21st century multi-cultural societies are desperately resurrecting and clinging onto an anachronistic nationalism from the time of their grand parents. presenting it as a form of patriotism, despite the fact that they were born, raised and live abroad, and not in Cyprus, these young mostly London Cypriots brought up abroad talk of the glory of the Ottoman Empire or Alexandra the Great as if they were happening today and talk of the superiority of their parent's ‘homeland.' I began to question: Why are some diaspora Cypriots living in a time warp?

Homesickness and tomorrow

To comprehend why anachronistic ideas of nationalism from the 1950s, 60s and 70s lives on among diaspora communities today, one need to find the seeds of this thinking. Living as a minority in a sea of Anglophones and faced with recurrent homesickness, new arrival parents often brought up their children talking incessantly of the homeland they left behind, forgetting that they live in a new land, one that is the only home their offspring can identify with. The “homeland of Cyprus” was not only the subject of frequent conversations within families or between friends in Cypriot “Kahves” or “Kafenions,” but the goal of tomorrow. Understandably, those first generations homesick with memories of simple village life, the smells, feel and tastes of the island, often referred to Cyprus as a paradise or utopia, where they once lived and want to one day retire and enjoy, but cannot because of the ‘enemy.' With no reference to the ‘alien' land they have lived and worked in, and whose culture their children belong to as well, many diaspora Cypriots like my late great grandparents, lived with this dream of living tomorrow, while sadly the tomorrow they longed for, where they would return to Cyprus, never came.Shaped by an upbringing in Britain where Cyprus was the focus of life, from its food, to its music, its traditions, its wedding, and its way of mourning the dead, second and third generations tried too to cling onto their grandparents memories, as a way of preserving not only their heritage, but a more personal love for their departed Nene or Dede. Often the memories shared by their grandparent's refer to a time of joyfulness, sights of orange blossoms, buzzing of hornets, little jasmine necklaces and lace work made by villagers for a small living, but now and again they recount memories of hostility towards those who terrorized them and drove them out. Whether these acts were in the 1950s, 60s or early 70s, the memories of civil war have been kept alive by generations of families, like my own, by the role Cyprus past and present plays in diaspora families and by the continued lack of justice in Cyprus itself. Watching their grandparents and parents lament in suffering over a foreign land, the injustice affected many British Cypriots too. Naturally, faced with integration problems in their adopted land, obvious risks of assimilation and for many the presence of the ‘enemy' in their new home, for some; even after the death of the first arrivals, preserving their heritage became a form of defending their perceived ‘fatherland' the KKTC no matter what and defending it was not just politics but a personal issue. Despite the fact that their grand parents and parents lived before the KKTC, for many young Turkish Cypriots the KKTC has come to symbolize their struggle.

‘Defender' of ones community

Like many young politically active Turkish Cypriot boys, I too subscribed to this view for a long time, even joining marches and despising those whom I accused of imposing the ‘embargoes' on our state. With a copy of Harry Scott Gibbon's “Genocide Files” as my bible, I even wrote letters to governments all over the world, from Malta to Japan asking for recognition of the KKTC – I styled myself as a defender of the community, the role gave me a purpose in a society, where despite the fact that I was born here, I still felt a stranger and was commonly made to feel like one. Today, I see many British Turkish Cypriot youth wasting their energies on fighting the ‘enemy,' on wasting their energy on pursuing recognition or by leaving their mark on internet forums attacking their ‘opponents.' For every ‘defender', for every post there is an equivalent Greek Cypriot youth doing the same thing. Their struggle is one mixed with a yearning for what they perceive as justice and a respect for those who shaped their views. By repetition they are demonstrating what they were taught and the injustice they feel in their own family. Without the opportunity to learn about the suffering of other Cypriot communities, nationalist ideas inherited from family members have become banal and represent an instant solution to a complex issue.

How my perception changed

My own views, which were once the same changed when I visited Cyprus. While imparting my knowledge on those whose interests I had delegated myself as a defender, I was made to see events more clearly. Firstly, those I defended did not hate the Greek Cypriots nor could they necessarily remember past events my grand parents could, but instead they were alarmed by continued corruption and cronyism that has come to signify the KKTC. They complained how the same Ministers appealing to the unsuspecting diaspora for aid were themselves embezzling money from the public purse and using Republic of Cyprus passports to travel to their Swiss bank accounts. Then they spoke of how the “Greeks who could not be trusted” provided free health care and honoured pension payments even after partition.Sick of being ordered to defend the KKTC themselves, ordinary moderate Turkish Cypriots informed me how the KKTC was responsible for their isolation, keeping them prisoner since 1983 and for what? They reminded me that settlers were running his Turkish Cypriot state and that the military had the final say over civilian politics. When I reminded them of past atrocities, they informed me of our own atrocities, desecrated Christian cemeteries and churches, the theft of religious icons, and the sale of refugee property. Suddenly I didn't feel like a victim anymore. Returning home, my picture of Cyprus that had been formed from generations had swiftly changed in several days. No longer was there a single ‘enemy' or demonic figure that I could pin all my anger on. Instead the picture was far more complex. My time in Cyprus taught me that despite my own family's turmoil, British Cypriots imagining nothing has altered in time in Cyprus, do not realise that Cyprus Cypriots, the ones living there are the ones seeing everything with their own eyes and experiencing the effects of the Cyprus problem. It is this picture that prompted me to divert my energy not to fight for one Cypriot community, but for all, since all are intrinsically linked to one another. Can you have a solution any other way? I learnt that if you want to be a defender of anything in your life, be a defender of the universality of human rights, and don't be selective about whom you defend!

* British-born Turkish Cypriot Alkan Chaglar is a columnist for the UK-based Toplum Postasi, where he is English Editor.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=79523


just out of curiosity , could someone post that list of traitors ?



He really is a creative writer. In a correspondence with a very good friend of mine recently he said he was building bridges with the GCs. He does not look back though to see the bridges he is burning. Alas he did not even answer my email.

I do not agree with the list in ATCA and, as you can see from the response, not many do on the thread. I hate the word this person ( and a few others have in the past) uses to describe people with different views. Alkan has every right to say what he feels but he has confused the issue, like others have on this forum, between internal and external problems. He wants to solve the internal ones with external dangerousand unjust ones.

He is a journalist and if he wants to stick his neck out for his profession then he should not bleat about the response. He complains about people using propaganda to further their aims and then puts himself up as prime propaganda material for the GCs. He quotes numbers that are exactly the same as Piratis' and blames others for doing the same. He has been lazy in his research on the matter and as this article proves he is also playing up on emotional sympathy for himself.

Say what you like Mr Chaglar but stop crying when you are shot down. Do some research on the numbers you use and don't make a fool of yourself as Piratis does time and time again. Perhaps you can tell us the real numbers of refugees and those killed by EOKA and those by the Turks and with that, issue an apology for quoting straight from Greek propaganda pages.

I await your email...You have my address.
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Postby iceman » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:24 pm

the_snake_and_the_crane wrote:those ATCA freaks are truely messed in the head lol


Hate to agree with you snake but you are right there..
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:44 pm

Zan wrote: Do some research on the numbers you use and don't make a fool of yourself as Piratis does time and time again. Perhaps you can tell us the real numbers of refugees and those killed by EOKA and those by the Turks and with that, issue an apology for quoting straight from Greek propaganda pages.


Why don’t you do your own search Zan?
Here are some facts
a)Is it true or is it not that the occupied territory is 37%?
b)Is it true or is it not that the Gc population was 420,000 in 1974?
c)Is it true or is it not that the northern part was more densily populated before 1974?

So is it so difficult for you to just make an estimate and find out if the true number of GC refugees is a)162,000 b)180,000 c)200,000?

It is true that there are various numbers all over the internet. Can you guess why? Is it because there is a need for intentional lies? Or is it because those numbers just sprung out after 1974 in a situation of chaos when the GC refugees were not even listed/counted?

Who could ever count the refugees? The UN? The Red- cross? The TCs??? Turkey??? Who else other than the RoC itself? So how could ANYONE ever get an independent verified figure of how many exactly the GC refugees are unles he asks the RoC?

The same can be said about the coup, how many people died during it’s excecution, and how many were killed afterwards

Search for these facts
1)How many tanks and how many soldiers attacked?
2)How many were the defenders inside the presidential palace and the archibishopic?
3)How many days are needed to bury the dead? (notice the invasion started one week later).
4)How many people were burried those days (there is evidence just make your search the testimony in Nicosia comes from a priest called Papatsestos)

And then compare your estimates with the numbers the RoC says that died during the coup.
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Postby zan » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:50 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Zan wrote: Do some research on the numbers you use and don't make a fool of yourself as Piratis does time and time again. Perhaps you can tell us the real numbers of refugees and those killed by EOKA and those by the Turks and with that, issue an apology for quoting straight from Greek propaganda pages.


Why don’t you do your own search Zan?
Here are some facts
a)Is it true or is it not that the occupied territory is 37%?
b)Is it true or is it not that the Gc population was 420,000 in 1974?
c)Is it true or is it not that the northern part was more densily populated before 1974?

So is it so difficult for you to just make an estimate and find out if the true number of GC refugees is a)162,000 b)180,000 c)200,000?

It is true that there are various numbers all over the internet. Can you guess why? Is it because there is a need for intentional lies? Or is it because those numbers just sprung out after 1974 in a situation of chaos when the GC refugees were not even listed/counted?

Who could ever count the refugees? The UN? The Red- cross? The TCs??? Turkey??? Who else other than the RoC itself? So how could ANYONE ever get an independent verified figure of how many exactly the GC refugees are unles he asks the RoC?

The same can be said about the coup, how many people died during it’s excecution, and how many were killed afterwards

Search for these facts
1)How many tanks and how many soldiers attacked?
2)How many were the defenders inside the presidential palace and the archibishopic?
3)How many days are needed to bury the dead? (notice the invasion started one week later).
4)How many people were burried those days (there is evidence just make your search the testimony in Nicosia comes from a priest called Papatsestos)

And then compare your estimates with the numbers the RoC says that died during the coup.


I am not a Journalist and I do not quote numbers. Two points against Mr Chaglar and you....The one thing that I can tell you is that the figure that both Piratis and Chaglar quoted about the dead attributed to the Turks of 6000 is wrong. He as a journalist should check and re-check his figures before going to print. Instead he quotes propaganda for his own gain.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:52 pm

Btw I am surprised nobody seems to have noticed that Alkan Caglar does NOT simply refer to Atca. He also refers to THIS FORUM where he is a MEMBER. (I think he posted his first posts when Fanos stole his article).

More over he doesn't simply talk for TCs of diaspora. He says the same things for the GCs.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:09 pm

zan wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Zan wrote: Do some research on the numbers you use and don't make a fool of yourself as Piratis does time and time again. Perhaps you can tell us the real numbers of refugees and those killed by EOKA and those by the Turks and with that, issue an apology for quoting straight from Greek propaganda pages.


Why don’t you do your own search Zan?
Here are some facts
a)Is it true or is it not that the occupied territory is 37%?
b)Is it true or is it not that the Gc population was 420,000 in 1974?
c)Is it true or is it not that the northern part was more densily populated before 1974?

So is it so difficult for you to just make an estimate and find out if the true number of GC refugees is a)162,000 b)180,000 c)200,000?

It is true that there are various numbers all over the internet. Can you guess why? Is it because there is a need for intentional lies? Or is it because those numbers just sprung out after 1974 in a situation of chaos when the GC refugees were not even listed/counted?

Who could ever count the refugees? The UN? The Red- cross? The TCs??? Turkey??? Who else other than the RoC itself? So how could ANYONE ever get an independent verified figure of how many exactly the GC refugees are unles he asks the RoC?

The same can be said about the coup, how many people died during it’s excecution, and how many were killed afterwards

Search for these facts
1)How many tanks and how many soldiers attacked?
2)How many were the defenders inside the presidential palace and the archibishopic?
3)How many days are needed to bury the dead? (notice the invasion started one week later).
4)How many people were burried those days (there is evidence just make your search the testimony in Nicosia comes from a priest called Papatsestos)

And then compare your estimates with the numbers the RoC says that died during the coup.


I am not a Journalist and I do not quote numbers. Two points against Mr Chaglar and you....The one thing that I can tell you is that the figure that both Piratis and Chaglar quoted about the dead attributed to the Turks of 6000 is wrong. He as a journalist should check and re-check his figures before going to print. Instead he quotes propaganda for his own gain.


How do you know is wrong? Have you counted them yourself? :P

Have the Turks counted the people they shot dead? :P

The truth is the ONLY one who can say how many they are, is the RoC itself. And it can say that convincingly ONLY if she publishes a catalogue with names. So far there is no such catalogue, so the 6000 dead figure is just that an unverified number.
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