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Ambassador Ilkin, according to Turkish daily Zaman, said in his letter: 'Greek Cyprus is trying to create a fait accompli in the region' and warned that 'Turkey is determined to protect its rights and interests in the Eastern Mediterranean.'

is this a threat from turkey?...

and then this

Cyprus Commerce Minister Antonis Michaelides said that Nicosia would not back down in the face of Turkish intimidation tactics, because it knows full well that international law is on its side

I wonder what kind of threats Turkey is talking about?

It is not Turkiye but the Cypriot minister that is talking about "threats"! Turkiye is talking about her "interests" in Eastern Mediterranean - the existence, well being and economic rights of TCs living in Cyprus is one of her main interests.

What the ambassador said is not a military threat or aggression - it is exactly what it says "Turkey is determined to protect its rights and interests in the Eastern Mediterranean". How some paranoid Cyprus minister interprets it is his business, and is not necessarily a reflection of what was actually said.

and in your sound mind bigOZ, how would you interpret this with a country that to this day you have cease fire?...please enlightment me...


anyway this is what I was talking about the comedy unfolding...Paps got everyone with their pants down with this one...

[DT.]

Ambassador Ilkin, according to Turkish daily Zaman, said in his letter: 'Greek Cyprus is trying to create a fait accompli in the region' and warned that 'Turkey is determined to protect its rights and interests in the Eastern Mediterranean.'

is this a threat from turkey?...

and then this

Cyprus Commerce Minister Antonis Michaelides said that Nicosia would not back down in the face of Turkish intimidation tactics, because it knows full well that international law is on its side

I wonder what kind of threats Turkey is talking about?

It is not Turkiye but the Cypriot minister that is talking about "threats"! Turkiye is talking about her "interests" in Eastern Mediterranean - the existence, well being and economic rights of TCs living in Cyprus is one of her main interests.

What the ambassador said is not a military threat or aggression - it is exactly what it says "Turkey is determined to protect its rights and interests in the Eastern Mediterranean". How some paranoid Cyprus minister interprets it is his business, and is not necessarily a reflection of what was actually said.

and in your sound mind bigOZ, how would you interpret this with a country that to this day you have cease fire?...please enlightment me...


anyway this is what I was talking about the comedy unfolding...Paps got everyone with their pants down with this one...

Makes a change! From the way his govt has been working I'm surprised to see that he even bothers putting his pants on every day since nothing much seems to be getting done.

[zan]

What right has the "RoC" got to go ahead with this without our say so.

hang on a minute, ain't you the one preaching partition?...you tell me what right you have...


well quess what zan, they are going ahead without your say so and at the same time, make a mockery out of turkey...kinda kill 2 birds with one stone...what do you think aboutr that?

so far you want your rights as per 1960 and to keep the land as well...

ps...i think turkey has run out of casus beli...

So you wanting the constitution and then the oil as well is ok then. Take the oil and then recognise the TRNC?KKTC. You want it both ways but not us. What is happening with Greek mathematics...it seems not to be adding up in your mind.

[Kikapu]

I was responding to zan, the preaching partitionist as to what his rights are...

as far as the oil, well a lot of companies showed intrest...as far as bringing it to the top, i will let them do the sums...

I do not see this as an attempt, but as a sovereign right of the RoC...do you disagree with that?

Of course it is the right of RoC to look for oil. But really, you have to look further than that - which RoC we are talking about? The one that existed in 1960 with its constitution (and died in 1963)? The one that continued to represent RoC (minus the Turkish community contrary to 1960 constitution) between 1963 - 1974? The one that continued to represent what had become two geographically separated Cyprus with two ethnic communities living under separate rule after 1974? The one that Europe and UN would see as the ultimate recognised Republic, made up of two federal states that incorporates all the ethnic groups?
There are two conflicting interests when it comes to discussing RoC rights and her people. Recognised or not, agreed to a solution or not, undeniably there are two Cypriot communities living in two different geographic areas. Although not recognising the TRNC, no one has declared it as an "illegal entity" and many have allowed TRNC "representative's office" operate in the capacity of a consulates in their countries. TRNC leaders had been allowed to seat at the UN and address them. There are seats allocated in EU to TCs of Cyprus (although not taken up yet).

So as you can see, there is a dilemma here. TRNC is not recognised but almost everyone accepts that the TCs are an integral part of Cyprus republic and its people. They further agree that by rights, TCs should have a say in the political and economic future of Cyprus - if there is going to be ONE united Federal State of Cyprus.

Issuing licences to foreign investors to drill for oil under current circumstances would inevitably cause a reaction from the TCs who will now say "If allowed to carry on with such decisions single handedly, why should GCs ever agree to a solution while they continue to benefit from their internationally recognised status as the only members of RoC?"

I hope you can see the contradiction there and realise that it is not really a simple case of Turkey having an interest in Cyprus oil.

I was hoping CopperLine would give us his interpretation on the international Law regarding the oil findings off the coast, of the island of Cyprus, which the UN and EU sees it as one entity and not two separate countries RoC & "TRNC". The fact that the two communities are divided, does that automatically give the "TRNC" equal say on what happens to the oil, but rather the equal say goes to the TC's as a community, but under which roof, the RoC or the "TRNC".???

I would think it would be under the roof of the RoC.

CopperLine, where are you when you are needed.

[zan]

I was responding to zan, the preaching partitionist as to what his rights are...

as far as the oil, well a lot of companies showed intrest...as far as bringing it to the top, i will let them do the sums...

I do not see this as an attempt, but as a sovereign right of the RoC...do you disagree with that?

Of course it is the right of RoC to look for oil. But really, you have to look further than that - which RoC we are talking about? The one that existed in 1960 with its constitution (and died in 1963)? The one that continued to represent RoC (minus the Turkish community contrary to 1960 constitution) between 1963 - 1974? The one that continued to represent what had become two geographically separated Cyprus with two ethnic communities living under separate rule after 1974? The one that Europe and UN would see as the ultimate recognised Republic, made up of two federal states that incorporates all the ethnic groups?
There are two conflicting interests when it comes to discussing RoC rights and her people. Recognised or not, agreed to a solution or not, undeniably there are two Cypriot communities living in two different geographic areas. Although not recognising the TRNC, no one has declared it as an "illegal entity" and many have allowed TRNC "representative's office" operate in the capacity of a consulates in their countries. TRNC leaders had been allowed to seat at the UN and address them. There are seats allocated in EU to TCs of Cyprus (although not taken up yet).

So as you can see, there is a dilemma here. TRNC is not recognised but almost everyone accepts that the TCs are an integral part of Cyprus republic and its people. They further agree that by rights, TCs should have a say in the political and economic future of Cyprus - if there is going to be ONE united Federal State of Cyprus.

Issuing licences to foreign investors to drill for oil under current circumstances would inevitably cause a reaction from the TCs who will now say "If allowed to carry on with such decisions single handedly, why should GCs ever agree to a solution while they continue to benefit from their internationally recognised status as the only members of RoC?"

I hope you can see the contradiction there and realise that it is not really a simple case of Turkey having an interest in Cyprus oil.

I was hoping CopperLine would give us his interpretation on the international Law regarding the oil findings off the coast, of the island of Cyprus, which the UN and EU sees it as one entity and not two separate countries RoC & "TRNC". The fact that the two communities are divided, does that automatically give the "TRNC" equal say on what happens to the oil, but rather the equal say goes to the TC's as a community, but under which roof, the RoC or the "TRNC".???

I would think it would be under the roof of the RoC.

CopperLine, where are you when you are needed.

I think Kifeas might have given him a visit!!!!!!!

[Kikapu]

I was responding to zan, the preaching partitionist as to what his rights are...

as far as the oil, well a lot of companies showed intrest...as far as bringing it to the top, i will let them do the sums...

I do not see this as an attempt, but as a sovereign right of the RoC...do you disagree with that?

Of course it is the right of RoC to look for oil. But really, you have to look further than that - which RoC we are talking about? The one that existed in 1960 with its constitution (and died in 1963)? The one that continued to represent RoC (minus the Turkish community contrary to 1960 constitution) between 1963 - 1974? The one that continued to represent what had become two geographically separated Cyprus with two ethnic communities living under separate rule after 1974? The one that Europe and UN would see as the ultimate recognised Republic, made up of two federal states that incorporates all the ethnic groups?
There are two conflicting interests when it comes to discussing RoC rights and her people. Recognised or not, agreed to a solution or not, undeniably there are two Cypriot communities living in two different geographic areas. Although not recognising the TRNC, no one has declared it as an "illegal entity" and many have allowed TRNC "representative's office" operate in the capacity of a consulates in their countries. TRNC leaders had been allowed to seat at the UN and address them. There are seats allocated in EU to TCs of Cyprus (although not taken up yet).

So as you can see, there is a dilemma here. TRNC is not recognised but almost everyone accepts that the TCs are an integral part of Cyprus republic and its people. They further agree that by rights, TCs should have a say in the political and economic future of Cyprus - if there is going to be ONE united Federal State of Cyprus.

Issuing licences to foreign investors to drill for oil under current circumstances would inevitably cause a reaction from the TCs who will now say "If allowed to carry on with such decisions single handedly, why should GCs ever agree to a solution while they continue to benefit from their internationally recognised status as the only members of RoC?"

I hope you can see the contradiction there and realise that it is not really a simple case of Turkey having an interest in Cyprus oil.

I was hoping CopperLine would give us his interpretation on the international Law regarding the oil findings off the coast, of the island of Cyprus, which the UN and EU sees it as one entity and not two separate countries RoC & "TRNC". The fact that the two communities are divided, does that automatically give the "TRNC" equal say on what happens to the oil, but rather the equal say goes to the TC's as a community, but under which roof, the RoC or the "TRNC".???

I would think it would be under the roof of the RoC.

CopperLine, where are you when you are needed.

I think Kifeas might have given him a visit!!!!!!!

Zan, are you saying CopperLine has turned into LEADLine.

[zan]

I was responding to zan, the preaching partitionist as to what his rights are...

as far as the oil, well a lot of companies showed intrest...as far as bringing it to the top, i will let them do the sums...

I do not see this as an attempt, but as a sovereign right of the RoC...do you disagree with that?

Of course it is the right of RoC to look for oil. But really, you have to look further than that - which RoC we are talking about? The one that existed in 1960 with its constitution (and died in 1963)? The one that continued to represent RoC (minus the Turkish community contrary to 1960 constitution) between 1963 - 1974? The one that continued to represent what had become two geographically separated Cyprus with two ethnic communities living under separate rule after 1974? The one that Europe and UN would see as the ultimate recognised Republic, made up of two federal states that incorporates all the ethnic groups?
There are two conflicting interests when it comes to discussing RoC rights and her people. Recognised or not, agreed to a solution or not, undeniably there are two Cypriot communities living in two different geographic areas. Although not recognising the TRNC, no one has declared it as an "illegal entity" and many have allowed TRNC "representative's office" operate in the capacity of a consulates in their countries. TRNC leaders had been allowed to seat at the UN and address them. There are seats allocated in EU to TCs of Cyprus (although not taken up yet).

So as you can see, there is a dilemma here. TRNC is not recognised but almost everyone accepts that the TCs are an integral part of Cyprus republic and its people. They further agree that by rights, TCs should have a say in the political and economic future of Cyprus - if there is going to be ONE united Federal State of Cyprus.

Issuing licences to foreign investors to drill for oil under current circumstances would inevitably cause a reaction from the TCs who will now say "If allowed to carry on with such decisions single handedly, why should GCs ever agree to a solution while they continue to benefit from their internationally recognised status as the only members of RoC?"

I hope you can see the contradiction there and realise that it is not really a simple case of Turkey having an interest in Cyprus oil.

I was hoping CopperLine would give us his interpretation on the international Law regarding the oil findings off the coast, of the island of Cyprus, which the UN and EU sees it as one entity and not two separate countries RoC & "TRNC". The fact that the two communities are divided, does that automatically give the "TRNC" equal say on what happens to the oil, but rather the equal say goes to the TC's as a community, but under which roof, the RoC or the "TRNC".???

I would think it would be under the roof of the RoC.

CopperLine, where are you when you are needed.

I think Kifeas might have given him a visit!!!!!!!

Zan, are you saying CopperLine has turned into LEADLine.

Perhaps tonight....He sleeps with the fishes.





I hope not Kiks but who knows with Kifeas...

[Kikapu]

I was responding to zan, the preaching partitionist as to what his rights are...

as far as the oil, well a lot of companies showed intrest...as far as bringing it to the top, i will let them do the sums...

I do not see this as an attempt, but as a sovereign right of the RoC...do you disagree with that?

Of course it is the right of RoC to look for oil. But really, you have to look further than that - which RoC we are talking about? The one that existed in 1960 with its constitution (and died in 1963)? The one that continued to represent RoC (minus the Turkish community contrary to 1960 constitution) between 1963 - 1974? The one that continued to represent what had become two geographically separated Cyprus with two ethnic communities living under separate rule after 1974? The one that Europe and UN would see as the ultimate recognised Republic, made up of two federal states that incorporates all the ethnic groups?
There are two conflicting interests when it comes to discussing RoC rights and her people. Recognised or not, agreed to a solution or not, undeniably there are two Cypriot communities living in two different geographic areas. Although not recognising the TRNC, no one has declared it as an "illegal entity" and many have allowed TRNC "representative's office" operate in the capacity of a consulates in their countries. TRNC leaders had been allowed to seat at the UN and address them. There are seats allocated in EU to TCs of Cyprus (although not taken up yet).

So as you can see, there is a dilemma here. TRNC is not recognised but almost everyone accepts that the TCs are an integral part of Cyprus republic and its people. They further agree that by rights, TCs should have a say in the political and economic future of Cyprus - if there is going to be ONE united Federal State of Cyprus.

Issuing licences to foreign investors to drill for oil under current circumstances would inevitably cause a reaction from the TCs who will now say "If allowed to carry on with such decisions single handedly, why should GCs ever agree to a solution while they continue to benefit from their internationally recognised status as the only members of RoC?"

I hope you can see the contradiction there and realise that it is not really a simple case of Turkey having an interest in Cyprus oil.

I was hoping CopperLine would give us his interpretation on the international Law regarding the oil findings off the coast, of the island of Cyprus, which the UN and EU sees it as one entity and not two separate countries RoC & "TRNC". The fact that the two communities are divided, does that automatically give the "TRNC" equal say on what happens to the oil, but rather the equal say goes to the TC's as a community, but under which roof, the RoC or the "TRNC".???

I would think it would be under the roof of the RoC.

CopperLine, where are you when you are needed.

I think Kifeas might have given him a visit!!!!!!!

Zan, are you saying CopperLine has turned into LEADLine.

Perhaps tonight....He sleeps with the fishes.





I hope not Kiks but who knows with Kifeas...

Kifeas just wants to go to his home and land in the North.

I don't think he wants to become the TERMINATOR.

[zan]

I was responding to zan, the preaching partitionist as to what his rights are...

as far as the oil, well a lot of companies showed intrest...as far as bringing it to the top, i will let them do the sums...

I do not see this as an attempt, but as a sovereign right of the RoC...do you disagree with that?

Of course it is the right of RoC to look for oil. But really, you have to look further than that - which RoC we are talking about? The one that existed in 1960 with its constitution (and died in 1963)? The one that continued to represent RoC (minus the Turkish community contrary to 1960 constitution) between 1963 - 1974? The one that continued to represent what had become two geographically separated Cyprus with two ethnic communities living under separate rule after 1974? The one that Europe and UN would see as the ultimate recognised Republic, made up of two federal states that incorporates all the ethnic groups?
There are two conflicting interests when it comes to discussing RoC rights and her people. Recognised or not, agreed to a solution or not, undeniably there are two Cypriot communities living in two different geographic areas. Although not recognising the TRNC, no one has declared it as an "illegal entity" and many have allowed TRNC "representative's office" operate in the capacity of a consulates in their countries. TRNC leaders had been allowed to seat at the UN and address them. There are seats allocated in EU to TCs of Cyprus (although not taken up yet).

So as you can see, there is a dilemma here. TRNC is not recognised but almost everyone accepts that the TCs are an integral part of Cyprus republic and its people. They further agree that by rights, TCs should have a say in the political and economic future of Cyprus - if there is going to be ONE united Federal State of Cyprus.

Issuing licences to foreign investors to drill for oil under current circumstances would inevitably cause a reaction from the TCs who will now say "If allowed to carry on with such decisions single handedly, why should GCs ever agree to a solution while they continue to benefit from their internationally recognised status as the only members of RoC?"

I hope you can see the contradiction there and realise that it is not really a simple case of Turkey having an interest in Cyprus oil.

I was hoping CopperLine would give us his interpretation on the international Law regarding the oil findings off the coast, of the island of Cyprus, which the UN and EU sees it as one entity and not two separate countries RoC & "TRNC". The fact that the two communities are divided, does that automatically give the "TRNC" equal say on what happens to the oil, but rather the equal say goes to the TC's as a community, but under which roof, the RoC or the "TRNC".???

I would think it would be under the roof of the RoC.

CopperLine, where are you when you are needed.

I think Kifeas might have given him a visit!!!!!!!

Zan, are you saying CopperLine has turned into LEADLine.

Perhaps tonight....He sleeps with the fishes.





I hope not Kiks but who knows with Kifeas...

Kifeas just wants to go to his home and land in the North.

I don't think he wants to become the TERMINATOR.

So do I but not by killing anyone.....Plus I want to have my rights intact. The new EU law that they want to force on us does not give me that. They have changed the constitution by stealth and you not only let them but support them in doing so.......

[Kikapu]

Kifeas just wants to go to his home and land in the North.

I don't think he wants to become the TERMINATOR.

So do I but not by killing anyone.....Plus I want to have my rights intact. The new EU law that they want to force on us does not give me that. They have changed the constitution by stealth and you not only let them but support them in doing so.......

Zan,

I helped who change the Constitution.???

Let me get this straight Zan. Greece, Turkey and Britain are/were the Guarantors to the safekeeping of the Constitution of Cyprus, and what have they done really.

Greece invaded Cyprus.

Turkey invaded Cyprus.

Britain never left Cyprus.

So why are you not blaming all these Bastards who suppose to safeguard the Constitution instead of blaming me. While we are at it, why didn't the TC's come and claim their place in the RoC government so that if there were any attempts made to change the Constitution, the TC's would and could have stopped the GC's. You don't seem to have a problem accepting the belief that the GC properties in the North were abandoned by their owners, so they were given to others, mostly from Turkey to the settlers. Don't you think the GC's will use the same argument, that the TC's abandoned the constitution, so the GC's are going about business as usual and make changes if needed, because the TC's are not interested in being in the RoC government.

I don't know what changes have been made to the constitution, but why do you even care, if you don't have any intentions coming back to the RoC government in the first place. Until the time comes that the TC's would want to come into the RoC to take their rightful places, then at that time, you may raise your objections, to any modifications that may or may not have taken place with the Constitution.