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[Nikitas]

Re solar power,

There was an exhibition here in Athens (been here since 1975) recently. There were panels, inverters, control software etc. All of it made by northern European companies. The countries of the European sunbelt had very little primary technology to show. That got me thinking- they have less sun than us and they invested in solar technology. We have sun but we are in the dark and are reduced to the status of customers.

Reminds one of the whole "Cyprus is a strategic island" deal. Everyone is ready to exploit this strategic location except us. THere is a lesson to be learned from both situations!

The funniest thing about this solar exhibit was the presence of a Dutch company, with a rep in his early 20s advising on the legal and financial requirements of Greece and Cyprus regarding solar installations. This young fellow knew things that local lawyers and bankers do not yet know. They have us all figured out yet again.

How much power can you get from solar in Cyprus? If 3 per cent of the land is covered with panels we will be producing enough power for the whole island and more. That is about the area of the green line.

And one last thing. The physicist Amory Lovins stressed that solar and wind power are by definition diffuse systems, whereas gas, oil and nuclear are centralised. Everyone can install solar, and be totally or partly free of the power company. You cannot do the same with conventional power. The principle applies equally on a national level. An energy independent Cyprus is intimidating for some.

[humanist]

Nikitas you don't have to convince me. I am doing my whole house 120m2 central heating and enough power to provide electricity for the whole home, hot water, fridge, tv, computer, stereos and lightning for $AU22,000. Keeping gas for cooking.

As per Green line perhaps when the problem is solved and it is turned into a national park they could line the north facing side with solar panels to provide the electricity for the Island Nation. as well as the government giving rebates for those who completely go solar.

[humanist]

Big Oz I am happy to contribute to your amazement. If that is the case why is it that we do not have a solution? We don't even have leaders that have met in 33 years, which is the beginning of any solution. May I say that I read today in a Turkish newspaper that Mr Talat has sent a letter to Papadopoulos asking for a meeting. ....... , Guess what he did not provide a meeting date (he is so precious).

Therefore you may say whatever you like and acuse me of whatever you wish, however I fail to see how that is a step toward a viable solution.

[bigOz]

Nikitas you don't have to convince me. I am doing my whole house 120m2 central heating and enough power to provide electricity for the whole home, hot water, fridge, tv, computer, stereos and lightning for $AU22,000. Keeping gas for cooking.

As per Green line perhaps when the problem is solved and it is turned into a national park they could line the north facing side with solar panels to provide the electricity for the Island Nation. as well as the government giving rebates for those who completely go solar.

I do not know of any EU government giving rebates to people going solar! If anything they charge you more tax for air and car travel in the name of cutting green house effects. Knowing it will not stop anyone from travelling, EU states are using it as an excuse to get their hands on peoples money to boost their own budgets! As for wind and solar power they will soon pass a law to make it compulsory, and genearte good business for all the manufactures in West Europe!

[humanist]

Big Oz I am suggesting that perhaps the government could give rebates. Now if you want to contradict everything I say go right ahead. Gawd, your such a downer!!!! Lighten up mate.

[bigOz]

Big Oz I am suggesting that perhaps the government could give rebates. Now if you want to contradict everything I say go right ahead. Gawd, your such a downer!!!! Lighten up mate.

You are not the government or the EU so why do you take my replies as personal?

I am just trying to make you understand that governments do not really give a toss about such issues - talk to them about more money and not how to save the earth!

The reason I reply to you is because I am off in a minute until tomorrow and you are the only one posting in these threads at the moment! Do not take it personal mate!

[Nikitas]

Solra rebates are offered by several EU governments. Following the German model the Greek power company buys electricity produced by solar and wind system at 0.40 Euro per KWh. If you have an acre of land to devote to this system you can make some serious money. In addition you have a grant to set up the installation which, depending on location, can be as much as 80 per cent of capital expenditure.

Some days ago there was a news story of a German gym owner who turned the roof of her gym to a solar park. She makes more money out of energy production than from her regular business and is thinking of expanding further into the solar business. And that is in Germany for heavens sakes! They get sun half the time of Cyprus!

Humanist, here in the northern hemisphere we orient our solar panels facing south! Which means that a lot of the Pendadktylos range and the southern parts of Troodos mountains can be turned into solar parks. Pendadaktylos has the added feature of being suitable for wind turbines along the ridge line to harness northerly winds.

And as a matter of interest, do you have a figure of cost per installed Meter Square for your photovoltaic panels? Would like to compare with prices in Europe.

All the best

Nikitas

[humanist]

bigOz, I appreciate that governements do not give a toss, however if enough of us challenge them they might start giving a toss.

Sorry it's been my experience since being on here that Turkish/ Greek speakers cannot even find common ground even on solar. I find it frustrating. It would be nice if for once we could actually agree on something. Our constant opposing views because we feel we belong to the other side has not gotten us anywhere in 33 years and we still have not learnt. May be if we try a little harder our people can unite and share everything this beautiful county of ours has to offer.

[humanist]

On that note am saying good night and wish you all a lovely night/ Day ahead.

[denizaksulu]

Re solar power,

There was an exhibition here in Athens (been here since 1975) recently. There were panels, inverters, control software etc. All of it made by northern European companies. The countries of the European sunbelt had very little primary technology to show. That got me thinking- they have less sun than us and they invested in solar technology. We have sun but we are in the dark and are reduced to the status of customers.

Reminds one of the whole "Cyprus is a strategic island" deal. Everyone is ready to exploit this strategic location except us. THere is a lesson to be learned from both situations!

The funniest thing about this solar exhibit was the presence of a Dutch company, with a rep in his early 20s advising on the legal and financial requirements of Greece and Cyprus regarding solar installations. This young fellow knew things that local lawyers and bankers do not yet know. They have us all figured out yet again.

How much power can you get from solar in Cyprus? If 3 per cent of the land is covered with panels we will be producing enough power for the whole island and more. That is about the area of the green line.

And one last thing. The physicist Amory Lovins stressed that solar and wind power are by definition diffuse systems, whereas gas, oil and nuclear are centralised. Everyone can install solar, and be totally or partly free of the power company. You cannot do the same with conventional power. The principle applies equally on a national level. An energy independent Cyprus is intimidating for some.

I tend to agree with you on this point. It just shows how much power the big Powers have over tiny nations. Its just like USA policies in the 1950/60 with there Aid to Cyprus for crop seeds. They offered the farmers free exchange of seed, only the USA benefitted Nothing is free. Cyprus paid through its nose, well the farmers did anyway.

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DA
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