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[Kifeas]

Then Turkey will have no excuse to interfere with anything!

bigOz, can you explain to me what excuse does Turkey have to occupy 37% of Cyprus's territory, and together with it the properties and subsequent potential revenues from them, of some 200,000 GCs? As far as I know, the ECHR did not accept that there is any valid excuse whatsoever!

[DT.]

I have to agree with VP on this subject.

If you're playing the trnc card, asking for recognition and declaring your own state then you should have no say on this.

But no one is playing the TRNC card DT are they? TRNC was created in 1983 as a last resort for recognition, after years of fruitless negotiations between you know who! I always believe it was a wake up call to GC side, rather than any realistic belief that it was going to be recognised by anyone. Nevertheless, it exists today - albeit unrecognised - but it has never been used as a card in any negotiation towards a Cyprus settlement.

What I personally think is, its very existence as a title may encourage GCs to find a solution sooner rather than later, realising that if a solution is not found then there is the danger TRNC might be recognised. If I am not mistaken, this has been reflected in the GC media as well on some occasions.

BigOz whats important is does the trnc consider itself a separate state? If it does then why does it meddle in someone elses state?

[Kifeas]

TCs are co-occupants owners of the island and were/are recognised as equal political partners by the original RoC constitution, ...

bigOz, can you explain to me what "equal political partners" means, since there isn't any such definition in any dictionary I know?

[paliometoxo]

EU rejects Turkey's threats on Cyprus oil

Angelos Marcopoulos

reports from Strasbourg


The European Union yesterday confirmed the right of Cyprus to drill for oil in its territorial waters, rejecting Turkish claims and threats.

The confirmation came from a member of the cabinet of EU Energy Commisioner Andris Piebalg, who is in charge of the cabinet during the summer.

"When an EU member state, like Cyprus, has the intention to proceed to peaceful and legal cooperation on energy resources, it should be free to do so, and be supported by the EU," Piebalg said. Turkey has threatened military action to prevent drilling following the decision of Cyprus to grant drilling rights to foreign companies.

Piebald responded with a simple ``of course'' to my question whether the EU would support, legally and politically, the wish of any of its member states, including Cyprus, to proceed to peaceful exploration and cooperation in its territorial waters, rejecting any external attempts at intimidation. He also confirmed earlier similar statements to The Weekly by Piebalg himself.

"The Commissioner was very clear on this point, and I confirm what he told you recently," the official said.



Turkey must prove its good

intentions on restoration

of Greek Cypriot property

says European Rights Court


Turkey bears the burden of proof and must present not just one or two ``show-cases,'' dealing with the restoration of the usurped properties of the Greek Cypriot refugees, but prove it respects the law, the European Human Rights Court confirmed this week.

The Court ruled that decisions of the so-called "Compensation Committee" set up in the occupied north cannot be considered as an "effective remedy."

According to the recently freshly confirmed ECHR principles, the state responsible for a violation ``must cite enough examples of established case law proving that it provides an efficient remedy, and not just a few cases for purposes of show-off.

``Instead of making general statements, it must concretely specify point by point, which legal provisions prove the availability of remedies in respect of the applicant's complaint, which must provide an answer, without deviating to other points. Otherwise the Court considers that the (respondent) government has failed to show that an effective domestic remedy was available."

The Council of Europe's Ministerial Committee earlier this week recalled its Resolution of April 4, 2007, in which the Turkish authorities were invited to provide without delay detailed and concrete information on any action taken on the implementation of previous judgements of the Rights Court dealing with the restoration of usurped refugee properties.


http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... geID=304_3

[denizaksulu]

where can i get oil for my hair clippers/?

Take a dive in the seas just south of Ayia Napa

[humanist]

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... geID=304_3

EU rejects Turkey's threats on Cyprus oil

Angelos Marcopoulos

reports from Strasbourg

The European Union yesterday confirmed the right of Cyprus to drill for oil in its territorial waters, rejecting Turkish claims and threats.

The confirmation came from a member of the cabinet of EU Energy Commisioner Andris Piebalg, who is in charge of the cabinet during the summer.

"When an EU member state, like Cyprus, has the intention to proceed to peaceful and legal cooperation on energy resources, it should be free to do so, and be supported by the EU," Piebalg said. Turkey has threatened military action to prevent drilling following the decision of Cyprus to grant drilling rights to foreign companies.

Piebald responded with a simple ``of course'' to my question whether the EU would support, legally and politically, the wish of any of its member states, including Cyprus, to proceed to peaceful exploration and cooperation in its territorial waters, rejecting any external attempts at intimidation. He also confirmed earlier similar statements to The Weekly by Piebalg himself.

"The Commissioner was very clear on this point, and I confirm what he told you recently," the official said.

Turkey must prove its good

intentions on restoration

of Greek Cypriot property

says European Rights Court

Turkey bears the burden of proof and must present not just one or two ``show-cases,'' dealing with the restoration of the usurped properties of the Greek Cypriot refugees, but prove it respects the law, the European Human Rights Court confirmed this week.

The Court ruled that decisions of the so-called "Compensation Committee" set up in the occupied north cannot be considered as an "effective remedy."

According to the recently freshly confirmed ECHR principles, the state responsible for a violation ``must cite enough examples of established case law proving that it provides an efficient remedy, and not just a few cases for purposes of show-off.

``Instead of making general statements, it must concretely specify point by point, which legal provisions prove the availability of remedies in respect of the applicant's complaint, which must provide an answer, without deviating to other points. Otherwise the Court considers that the (respondent) government has failed to show that an effective domestic remedy was available."

The Council of Europe's Ministerial Committee earlier this week recalled its Resolution of April 4, 2007, in which the Turkish authorities were invited to provide without delay detailed and concrete information on any action taken on the implementation of previous judgements of the Rights Court dealing with the restoration of usurped refugee properties.

About time the EU stood by its proinciples of fairness and justice. Turkey you can kiss EU tooch ........ you bully

[Nikitas]

Guys,

This oil thing is comic. It is laughable on several levels. And being a graduate in International Law, let me clarify a few things.

The Law of the Sea convention allows states to extend their territorial waters to 12 miles but also allows the innocent pasage of foreign ships, including military ships. The continental shelf is the seabed extending beyond the 12 miles and for as long as the seabed is 200 meters deep or less. The economic zone extends from the territorial waters to a point equidistant from other states, so Cyprus' economic zone meets with those of Egypt in the south, Lebanon to the east etc. In each case the waters above remain international waters.

And here is the funny part. Turkey having chosen the separate state card for the Turkish Cypriots, and having succeded in getting the de facto situation recognised by most countries (let us be honest on this) now finds that the RoC is about to find oil in its economic zone, clearly to the south, is realising its mistake. And all of a sudden all that crap about two peoples, two states etc is forgotten and Turkey is reminding us of the unitary nature of the RoC. That is funny! Whoever is drafting those statements must have a humongous sense of humor!

Funnier still is the slimness of the possibility of finding any oil or gas in that area. It contains some of the deepest waters in the Mediterranean, up to 4000 meters deep I am told. Getting a drilling platform to stand on that depth will take some imagination!

As for the foreign firms searching for oil, they can be sued in their own jursdictions by the RoC for illegal searches and that will most likely be the only valuable result from this oil caper.

A source of energy which is certain, available now withouth probing into the Mediterranean abyss, is solar and wind power. You get a watt per square foot with modern solar panels. Germany that has nowhere near the sunlight of Cyprus, will be producing 20 per cent of its electricity from solar and wind sources by the end of this decade. We, being Cypriots, of course do not care about solar and wind, we are clever, we will go probing into 4000 meters to find gas. You gotta admit, the whole thing is funny.

Nikitas

[humanist]

Nikitas you have point there, the reality is that the big players in the oil business know you are right however they stand to losse big time if we went to solar power, therefore will argue that is not a viable way to power the world. So for now oil it is. There is oil in the rgion that Cyprus is proposing to explore, make no mistake on this. It would not have got as far as its gotten if there was not. Whislt I beieve that oil is not the way to go in powering the world and with a place as small as Cyprus although already using solar for hot water production it does not have the land mass for bigger scale electricity production although every bit counts. With additional solar pannels on each roof in Cyprus around the cost of 5,000 pound each household can run their central heating and all electricity. So it can be done especially in smaller to medium size villages where homes tend to be larger hence larger roof space.

But as for the oil business, it is the only thing that will unite Cyprus. However, I feel the unification will be build on false foundation because the Turkish Cypriots will not be unifying for the right reasons in that they believe they can live with Greek speaking Cypriots but rather based on the financial benefits of doing so. win in one respect loose in another.

[zan]

Guys,

This oil thing is comic. It is laughable on several levels. And being a graduate in International Law, let me clarify a few things.

The Law of the Sea convention allows states to extend their territorial waters to 12 miles but also allows the innocent pasage of foreign ships, including military ships. The continental shelf is the seabed extending beyond the 12 miles and for as long as the seabed is 200 meters deep or less. The economic zone extends from the territorial waters to a point equidistant from other states, so Cyprus' economic zone meets with those of Egypt in the south, Lebanon to the east etc. In each case the waters above remain international waters.

And here is the funny part. Turkey having chosen the separate state card for the Turkish Cypriots, and having succeded in getting the de facto situation recognised by most countries (let us be honest on this) now finds that the RoC is about to find oil in its economic zone, clearly to the south, is realising its mistake. And all of a sudden all that crap about two peoples, two states etc is forgotten and Turkey is reminding us of the unitary nature of the RoC. That is funny! Whoever is drafting those statements must have a humongous sense of humor!

Funnier still is the slimness of the possibility of finding any oil or gas in that area. It contains some of the deepest waters in the Mediterranean, up to 4000 meters deep I am told. Getting a drilling platform to stand on that depth will take some imagination!

As for the foreign firms searching for oil, they can be sued in their own jursdictions by the RoC for illegal searches and that will most likely be the only valuable result from this oil caper.

A source of energy which is certain, available now withouth probing into the Mediterranean abyss, is solar and wind power. You get a watt per square foot with modern solar panels. Germany that has nowhere near the sunlight of Cyprus, will be producing 20 per cent of its electricity from solar and wind sources by the end of this decade. We, being Cypriots, of course do not care about solar and wind, we are clever, we will go probing into 4000 meters to find gas. You gotta admit, the whole thing is funny.

Nikitas

In the same vein Nikita, do you think that both sides already know this and there is some other agenda on the line. Soomething like the Cyprus problem.....

[bigOz]

Nikitas you have point there, the reality is that the big players in the oil business know you are right however they stand to losse big time if we went to solar power, therefore will argue that is not a viable way to power the world. So for now oil it is. There is oil in the rgion that Cyprus is proposing to explore, make no mistake on this. It would not have got as far as its gotten if there was not. Whislt I beieve that oil is not the way to go in powering the world and with a place as small as Cyprus although already using solar for hot water production it does not have the land mass for bigger scale electricity production although every bit counts. With additional solar pannels on each roof in Cyprus around the cost of 5,000 pound each household can run their central heating and all electricity. So it can be done especially in smaller to medium size villages where homes tend to be larger hence larger roof space.

But as for the oil business, it is the only thing that will unite Cyprus. However, I feel the unification will be build on false foundation because the Turkish Cypriots will not be unifying for the right reasons in that they believe they can live with Greek speaking Cypriots but rather based on the financial benefits of doing so. win in one respect loose in another.

Humanist, you'll never stop amazing me with your endless flawed accusations!

TCs accepted and have been participating for a joint solution with the GCs long before there was even a hint of the (non-existent) "oil-business"!