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[pitsilos]

and you forgot the other questions I asked you...playing dodge ball again?

[paliometoxo]

turks trying to threaten us for our oil? i hink once we find some america will come running. turkey has no right to threaten for our oil

[zan]

I asked you this question before and i will ask you again....

as a practising partitionist what rights have you got?...in regards to the oil...the revenues are for the cypriots, and not as in your a case, and as porky put it, a turk born in cyprus...onya boat son...

I am a practical partitionist Pits as I have said a hundred times before. Last resort if nothing comes out of any other talks.

Turkey spends every waking minute practicing partition, and now she wants rights for her self and the psuedo?...give me a break...just to let you know, bordering live comedy here...

Turkey has interests in Cyprus, full stop. This is no secret and she has every right IMO. One day when we are all Cypriots without fear then she may not have.

and please answer me what would have the situation been if the shoe was on the other foot?..you think Turkey will share?...

There is no other foot if you take out the conflict. With the conflict in place then of course.

I also asked you about what cyprus means to you...you said your identity...I asked you how do you identify with your identity and guess what still waiting for a reply...

There is no secret to this Pits as I have stated this before. My identity is that of a Turkish Cypriot with my family enjoying all that means. I have told you before about the people that asked where I was from and I said Cyprus and they always replied " Oh Greek then". When Cyprus has got a real identity of its own then I too will be a proud Cypriot and my identity will be Cypriot. Until then, and I think this will not change in my life time, then I am a Turkish Cypriot. I come from a specific place that I can call home and that is the TRNC/KKTC. Whether hat is recognised or not it still brings me a warm feeling of belonging. I shall go and do my national service soon and that will endear me even further. That is what I want in a united Cyprus as well. I do not want my identity eroded. I feel like a Brit when I am in the UK but my roots are firmly in Cyprus. Born in Scala and lived in Nicosia. That is what I put on any form that I have to fill in. Born in Scala. That will never change.

come on zan tell us what makes you proud to be a cypriot

Sorry! You mean this one??


Not much at tthe moment! But we have plans........

[pitsilos]

When Cyprus has got a real identity of its own then I too will be a proud Cypriot and my identity will be Cypriot.

and how do you think this identity will come around zan?...don't ask what your country can do for you but ask what can you do for your country...

not worth commenting on the rest...its kinda boring going around in circles...

[pitsilos]

and that specific pace you call home, if you cared to look around, it was build with the sweat of cypriots spamming 3000 plus years....every single monument zan...could this be your phobia?...

[zan]

and that specific pace you call home, if you cared to look around, it was build with the sweat of cypriots spamming 3000 plus years....every single monument zan...could this be your phobia?...

Oh Boy........What I could do with this typoed post???


Does that include all the Ottoman buildings mosques and all Pits..

Buildings don't give me phobias, I love buildings. Churches being one of my favourites. It is people that want to take away my identity and definition of my identity. It is people that, because of that identity attacked and tried to cripple my entire race. It is people that forced me to move out of my country and made me doubt my identity. Guess what though. The sons of Cyprus are returning home. We are home in our hearts and in our souls. He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day. Makarios must be getting restless in his grave.

[BirKibrisli]

Do we know for sure there are oil off Cyprus???
Or is this just another episode in the senseless war of nerves between Turkey and the Republic???

Plus a convenient excuse for some of us to indulge in our favourite pastime : racial attacks!!!!

[bigOz]

I am a practical partitionist Pits as I have said a hundred times before. Last resort if nothing comes out of any other talks.

it really depends what you classify as talks and with whom?

Turkey has interests in Cyprus, full stop. This is no secret and she has every right IMO. One day when we are all Cypriots without fear then she may not have.

turkey has no right in cyprus...its a case of big and might on a small neighbour...and i don't really think they came for the tcs...why would the generals continue to remind you of your turkishness on daily basis?
anyway i hear by year 2025 it will be a different ball game played in turkey...kurds becoming 50% of the population...so i guess the turkish intrerests will shift sooner than later...
The RoC is a member of the EU and if turkey can't comprehend what this entails it means she is really barking up the wrong tree...and judging by the latest of the deep state's comical behaviour of late, maybe an alliance with Iran, Pakistan, and Afganistan should be sought out...not alone accepting anything remotely resembling anything to do with turkey as a final solution to the Cyprus occupation...

I said this to you before I think it has escaped your mind....the RoC is transforming at a rapid pace, matching all the EU countries...now take a look at the occuppied areas....the question to you, zan, why is turkey wanting to get into the club, if she has no faith in the club itself?...because if she had faith she would accept an EU solution to the Cyprus problem...why is turkey wanting an EU solution for herself, full membership, but not for the people she is protecting?...why is that?

There is no other foot if you take out the conflict. With the conflict in place then of course.

and what rights would anyone have?...with the conflict?...and how would turkey share it?...knowing that turkey owes lots and lots to the IMF?..should everyone finance turkey...is this is?

There is more chance of Kurds becoming 50% of the population in South!

Turkey is doing quite well economically and its debts- you are obviously not an expert on the subject - neither is Turkey's economy any of your concern!

Whether they have any right or not, Turkish military IS IN CYPRUS and will stay there until you recognise the political rights of the TCs. You can scream all you like but nothing will change - something I thought the GCs would learn after 33 years!

What is th e"EU solution" - can you explain that to us please?

My final opinion on the subject is: Being a EU member does not entail anything mammoth, to be quite honest it really means "jack-shit" to me!

As for talks, with whom? - it used to be Glafkos Clerides, now its TP and the song goes on! Many decades of talks to no avail, so I would not hold my breath. The sad truth is, there will never be an agreement because the minds of the GC youth have been corrupted too far by RoC educational system and the Greek Orthodox Church, who have become masters of "denying and lying". Partition has never looked more real than ever before, not necessarily because TCs favour it, but because it may well be the only choice left under the circumstances.

I leave you with these historic lines:

In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home said "I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island."

In July 1991 the following motion was tabled in the UK House of Commons: "This House recalls that when independence was granted to Cyprus in 1960, sovereignty was transferred to the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots jointly as political equals; recalls that the 1960 Constitution broke down in 1963 and is now defunct; notes that the U.N Secretary General has stated that the relationship between the two communities in Cyprus is not one of majority and minority but one of equals; further notes that UN Security Council Resolution 649 calls upon the two peoples of Cyprus to co-operate on an equal footing; believes that the Greek Cypriot side's reluctance to recognise the equal political status of the Turkish Cypriot side is obstructing the way to a federal solution since federations can be formed only between political equals; and therefore calls upon Her Majesty's Government to treat the two peoples of Cyprus and their respective leaders on a basis of complete equality without any further delay."

On Independence Day 1985 the Greek Cypriot Daily Simerini lamented as follows: "We believed that we are the centre of the Earth. We thought that we, small and insignificant as we are, would be capable of exercising policy on an intercontinental plane. But also above all we underestimated the Turks. The unstable and fickle policy of our leaders has brought us to the brink of total disaster."

If the last paragraph is anything to go by, it is clear from many GCs posts in this forum, still have learned nothing and still have the same flawed values!

Addressing Turks as savages, barbarians, thieves etc will not get GCs anywhere fast - it will only insult TCs who are of ethnic Turkish origin and currently have an affinity with Turkish people or Turkey. If I wanted to share a cab and a sensible discusssion with someone, I would not start the conversation by saying "I'll get in after you, you no good primitive son of a bitch!" - would I?

[pitsilos]

big oz...if you can't see the difference between countries in the EU and Turkey and what it entails, then its obviously not worth discussing anything with you..get my drift?

on a side note why is Turkey hell bend in becomoing a full member then if it means jack shit?...and if she is hell bend to get in, why doesn't she allow the occupied to adopt towards the EU...or better still unite under the EU banner...

ps...and the kurds thingie...you are wrong...kurds are the majority in the south east, and they are 15-20 million strong in a country of about 70 million...if they breedthey way they do...ouch they will be the majority in 20 years right through Turkey...I would say that this makes them players in a future solution/normalization between Turkey and the RoC...ofcource, before you get your nose out of joint, it ain't gonna happen over night...and I am not even counting on a future Kurdistan out of Iraq...

and on the abusing, I didn't see in any of my posts as calling anyone a barbarian, etc...so save the preaching for Ktv

[Pyrpolizer]

Do we know for sure there are oil off Cyprus???
Or is this just another episode in the senseless war of nerves between Turkey and the Republic???

Plus a convenient excuse for some of us to indulge in our favourite pastime : racial attacks!!!!

There is for sure Birkibrisli, Egypt is already getting gas out. i believe there is already an agreement with Egypt to pump half for us as they are rushing to complete the new Electricity power station that will work exclussively WITH GAS.

On the general matter of oil: This discussion has been repeated at least 4 times in this forum. It seems nobody listens to any information participants provide in here. So guys here's some homework for you: What percentage of the oils worth does the owning country get, and what percentage the exploring company? After you find out start thinking from there.

My conclusion is, Turkey can do NOTHING.They are just threatening for NOTHING.