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[Bananiot]

Takis Hadjinikolaou was a high court judge. He came from Yialousa, a beautiful village in the Karpaz peninsula. He went missing on August 14 1774. Recently, using the DNA method, his his remains were discovered and he was laid to rest in Nicosia.

Turkish Cypriots were present at the funeral service and laid wreaths for the murdered judge. The Turkish Cypriots that attended the service have missing relatives themselves. Present was Sebalai Bera whose mother and father were murder by Greek Cypriot fanatics in 1964. Present was a a Turkish Cypriot man called Arkansos whose whole family was exterminated when he was only 10 years old.

I could kiss the ground on which these people stood. These are the Cypriots I identify with and make me proud.

[Murataga]

Takis Hadjinikolaou was a high court judge. He came from Yialousa, a beautiful village in the Karpaz peninsula. He went missing on August 14 1774. Recently, using the DNA method, his his remains were discovered and he was laid to rest in Nicosia.

Turkish Cypriots were present at the funeral service and laid wreaths for the murdered judge. The Turkish Cypriots that attended the service have missing relatives themselves. Present was Sebalai Bera whose mother and father were murder by Greek Cypriot fanatics in 1964. Present was a a Turkish Cypriot man called Arkansos whose whole family was exterminated when he was only 10 years old.

I could kiss the ground on which these people stood. These are the Cypriots I identify with and make me proud.

It is quite amazing, and I have many times witnessed this on a personal level, that the people who can approach the other side and tolerate the most in many cases turn out to be the ones who have lost someone close due to the acts of the members of the other community. This goes for both GCs and TCs. I find this phenomenon to be some kind of an unexplained miracle and deeply touched by it.

[Bananiot]

I do not believe in miracles murataga. I believe in the breeding of people; their upbringing rather. As they say, genetics put the bullets in the barrel but the environment fires them.

[BirKibrisli]

I think what makes these people different is that they have responded to pain and suffering with compassion and empathy,two ingredients so essential yet so rare in this conflict...

They know what it feels like to have lost loved ones so senselessly,and wanted to stand side by side with people who have suffered similarly...
Why ,oh why,can't we have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission established in Cyprus where people like this can come,tell their stories,face those who have committed these crimes (or their representatives),see the regret and sorrow in their faces,hear them ask for forgiveness,and find some conclusion to their agony...Why are we so eager to accuse and blame,but not to accept responsibility and appologise...As Desmond Tutu,the black South African Archbishop said to his white countrymen once,"How Can we forgive you if you do not say sorry?????"

[Kifeas]

Takis Hadjinikolaou was a high court judge. He came from Yialousa, a beautiful village in the Karpaz peninsula. He went missing on August 14 1774. Recently, using the DNA method, his his remains were discovered and he was laid to rest in Nicosia.

Turkish Cypriots were present at the funeral service and laid wreaths for the murdered judge. The Turkish Cypriots that attended the service have missing relatives themselves. Present was Sebalai Bera whose mother and father were murder by Greek Cypriot fanatics in 1964. Present was a a Turkish Cypriot man called Arkansos whose whole family was exterminated when he was only 10 years old.

I could kiss the ground on which these people stood. These are the Cypriots I identify with and make me proud.

I suppose you wanted to say 1974, and not 1774, but anyway I take it as a not so common of yours accidental mistake.

While you were at it though, and I agree it was a worth noting and encouraging observance, you neglected to mention that even though there was absolutely no problem for these and other TCs to cross south and lay wreaths in many of the recently identified remains of GC missing person's funerals; in each and every occasion that GCs tried to do the same in similar funerals in the north, of TCs who went missing and recently identified, the regime in the north prohibited them from crossing and doing so.

What does this tell you Murataga, the mouthpiece of the most reactionary TC voices in this forum? Would you like to comment on this observance too, or you do not think it is a worth mentioning one?

To me it says a lot as to which of the two sides wants to promote peace and reconciliation between the two communities! For you, what does it say?

[zan]

Takis Hadjinikolaou was a high court judge. He came from Yialousa, a beautiful village in the Karpaz peninsula. He went missing on August 14 1774. Recently, using the DNA method, his his remains were discovered and he was laid to rest in Nicosia.

Turkish Cypriots were present at the funeral service and laid wreaths for the murdered judge. The Turkish Cypriots that attended the service have missing relatives themselves. Present was Sebalai Bera whose mother and father were murder by Greek Cypriot fanatics in 1964. Present was a a Turkish Cypriot man called Arkansos whose whole family was exterminated when he was only 10 years old.

I could kiss the ground on which these people stood. These are the Cypriots I identify with and make me proud.

I suppose you wanted to say 1974, and not 1774, but anyway I take it as a not so common of yours accidental mistake.

While you were at it though, and I agree it was a worth noting and encouraging observance, you neglected to mention that even though there was absolutely no problem for these and other TCs to cross south and lay wreaths in many of the recently identified remains of GC missing person's funerals; in each and every occasion that GCs tried to do the same in similar funerals in the north, of TCs who went missing and recently identified, the regime in the north prohibited them from crossing and doing so.

What does this tell you Murataga, the mouthpiece of the most reactionary TC voices in this forum? Would you like to comment on this observance too, or you do not think it is a worth mentioning one?

To me it says a lot as to which of the two sides wants to promote peace and reconciliation between the two communities! For you, what does it say?

It says the game goes on Kifeas that is all. You cannot be seen to do anything negative because you have done enough. This post of mine also says a lot.

I came across this Cyprob forum by mistake. I was searching to find out more about a country that I felt I knew little about and found people making comments about me. Me as a Turkish Cypriot and me as a Turk. They were insulting and they were slanderous and nothing was taboo in the terms used to describe us. I should have walked away because I am now embroiled in the same dirty game that you guys were playing. Two years and nothing has changed. You do not miss a chance to put me and mine down. You could not even let this thread alone and I feel compelled to answer you back in your own filthy way in which I feel my hands soiled. The reason is the game and nothing more. The game. I am just thankful that people like Bananiot post threads like this that bring back the reality that we are not all the same and there are decent people out there. People that are not afraid of being people and are not afraid of us.

[CopperLine]

The psot by Bananiot (and some others on the Forum who talk about 'childhood memories' or what life was like pre-1974) are often very moving and dignified. In death we are all equal.

I echo Birkibrisli's call for something like a 'truth and reconciliation commission. And such a commision does not work by diminishing or undermining the 'other side' in the manner that Kifeas. It is simply indecent and undignified to do as Kifeas has done. The only one who loses standing and credit amnogst his/her peers is Kifeas with that kind of response.

I'm not saying Kifeas that what you allege - blocking of GCs visiting burial sites or cemetries in the north - didn't happen or is not important. But there is a time and a place to bring those kinds of questions and problems up - and this isn't one of them. Do the actions of some TRNC official, diminish or reduce the hurt or suffering and the need to put to rest someone, a TC, who was killed ? No - it is irrelevant to that person's family and friends. Today they mourn.

At this moment a bit of common humanity is all that is requested.

[pantheman]

The psot by Bananiot (and some others on the Forum who talk about 'childhood memories' or what life was like pre-1974) are often very moving and dignified. In death we are all equal.

I echo Birkibrisli's call for something like a 'truth and reconciliation commission. And such a commision does not work by diminishing or undermining the 'other side' in the manner that Kifeas. It is simply indecent and undignified to do as Kifeas has done. The only one who loses standing and credit amnogst his/her peers is Kifeas with that kind of response.

I'm not saying Kifeas that what you allege - blocking of GCs visiting burial sites or cemetries in the north - didn't happen or is not important. But there is a time and a place to bring those kinds of questions and problems up - and this isn't one of them. Do the actions of some TRNC official, diminish or reduce the hurt or suffering and the need to put to rest someone, a TC, who was killed ? No - it is irrelevant to that person's family and friends. Today they mourn.

At this moment a bit of common humanity is all that is requested.

There you go again, just one sided view.

Kifeas was responding (i agree about time and place but.) to what the TCs always try to portray. They portray that they are the hurt ones, the decent ones, the victims. And that the GCs are the agressors, the evil the, the the.

The problem is copperline, and i have found in experience on the forum, is that if you don't return a response to something like this it gets chucked right back at you down the line.

No, i don't think Kifeas is wrong, you read back posts from Bananiot, murataga, zan, VP, to name a few, they all contain the same sentiment, they hate us, despise us. They have nothing good to say about us. Why do you only think we should be the ones to back down everytime. Its a good job we have people like Kifeas, piratis and others who are knowledgable people that can fight our corner.

It has bee said many time before that there was wrong doing on both sides, but i have yet to read any posts, genuine posts, from the TCs who would own upto this. It seems to be one way traffice for them, they are the hard done by ones.

Remembering all the time, it is the GC who are prevented from going home, it is the GC who are having their faces rubbed in it witht the giant flag on the mountain, it is the GCs who are under illegal occupation for 33 years.

Come on copperline, you know, or seem to know, international laws, please tell me that Turkey is within the law and i will shut up and never post on the cypro again. Point is you can't , because you know damn well that they are the criminals in all this and that it is the GCs who are the real victims here.

So, no kifeas, keep it up, you tell them how it is, tell them that for every wrong they see in the GC side, it is reflected and magnified by the TC side too. Please, don't insult our integrity we can see whats going on even if you can't.

BTW, why won't you tell us you nationality? Why do you think we will think less of you ? By not telling us, we will just consider you to be talking from the a biased side.

If you are a GC then grimas se as they say!

I honestly do want a united cyprus, i want to be able to visit my ancesteral place in the Karpas region, but i only want to do it fairly and squarely, not to be force to accept a deal forced on me by external powers who are trying to constantly screw cyprus over.

My grandfather was from Yialoussa (god bless him), i only ever went there as a child but i remember it well, i want to go again, but i want to go free from fear, so i can take my children to see from whence i have come. But i won't go like this, never in a million years.

So, i ask you again, please spare us from the put downs when the TCs are constantly crying wolf, in the end people will stop listening.

[Bananiot]

I confess pantheman. I hate all morons, be they Greek, Turks, Armenian, Maronite or Latin

[Piratis]

I echo Birkibrisli's call for something like a 'truth and reconciliation commission.

The question is: Are you ready to accept the truth?

From what I see from most TCs in this forum the only truths they can accept are the ones that suit their aim of partition.

They concentrate only in a small part of the past ,63-74, and even in that part the "truth" for them is just their own suffering.

In that conflict both sides had an about equal share of blame. I and most other GCs in here repeatedly condemned the actions of EOKA B and the murder of innocent TCs. But TCs not only they do not respond by accepting their own share of responsibility during that time and condemning the crimes of TMT and the other TC terrorists against innocent Greek Cypriots, but on the contrary they diminish them and try to excuse them, and not only that they are trying to use our acceptance of the crimes against them as a proof that we are the "evil" and they are the "victims". (just look at how the Turkish propaganda is using the films by Agastiniotis. Where is a TC to make a similar video about the (much more) suffering of GCs?)

So if they can not accept their share of responsibility for a period where both sides were equally guilty, then how would they accept the truth for the periods before and after the "63-74", where they have the greatest part of the blame?

My conclusion is that TCs and Turkey have one and only aim: The partition of Cyprus and the Turkification of the north part of our island. They will do only what serves this aim, and nothing that will not. Based on this, I don't think a 'truth and reconciliation commission' is possible. Turks do not want the whole truth, and they definitely do not want reconciliation, since one of their main "arguments" for their partition aim is that "the two communities can not live together and therefore they should be separated".