Cyprus-Forum.com

[CopperLine]

No, Pantheman.
Just make a little effort at reading what I actually wrote. I said nothing about taking sides. On the contrary I said that in death there were no sides, we're all equal. I said that in burying the dead, we should not intrude with the constant attack on the 'other side'. That, logically, goes for all people, all 'sides'.

Do us all a favour and read the posts carefully before you hit the reply button. Just in case you still don't get it : I am not taking sides, I am not defending one side or another. I am saying give a bit of respect, give a bit of dignity.

[pantheman]

No, Pantheman.
Just make a little effort at reading what I actually wrote. I said nothing about taking sides. On the contrary I said that in death there were no sides, we're all equal. I said that in burying the dead, we should not intrude with the constant attack on the 'other side'. That, logically, goes for all people, all 'sides'.

Do us all a favour and read the posts carefully before you hit the reply button. Just in case you still don't get it : I am not taking sides, I am not defending one side or another. I am saying give a bit of respect, give a bit of dignity.

whatever you say, you are very selective in what you say, and only say what suits you too. Could you answer the point about which international law turkey conforms to? No, you can't because you haven't at any point made any criticism of them. This leads me to believe you are one sided.

I read you posts, but sadly each time i do, i feel like i'm getting my face rubbed in it. Sorry but thats how you come across. Your posts have under tones that do not make for an unbiased read.

So, i guess i will have to agree to disagree on this one. I have my own opinions of you.

Now answer my question, what nationality are you?

your answer (honest answer) would be most welcome.





We

[pantheman]

I confess pantheman. I hate all morons, be they Greek, Turks, Armenian, Maronite or Latin

Bananidiot, i couldn't agree more. Take a hike!

[Bananiot]

Almost clever pantheman. May be you are trying too hard.

Piratis wrote

They concentrate only in a small part of the past ,63-74, and even in that part the "truth" for them is just their own suffering. In that conflict both sides had an about equal share of blame. I and most other GCs in here repeatedly condemned the actions of EOKA B and the murder of innocent TCs.

The above is a joke and gross distortion of historical truth. EOKA B was not around till about 1972 or there abouts. The murders of Turkish Cypriots were committed by government backed paramilitarists of the likes of Papadopoulos, Yiorgadjis, Sampson and Lissarides. Makarios financed them and even offered his summer restp lace in Troodos for military exercises of the "organisation" members.

[Piratis]

I am not taking sides, I am not defending one side or another.

CopperLine you are taking sides and I think it would be better if you accept that you are a TC or Turk (or tell us what you are).

Nobody will have any prejudice against you because of your origin.

If for example you are Turk and you say so, then people here will have a great respect to you because they will see a Turk who is trying hard to be as objective as possible.

On the other hand, if you are a Turk (or Turk related) but you are trying to present yourself as an independent objective observer, this can be negative for you, since in that case you would be trying to pass your bias views as supposedly objective ones. I hope you would agree with me that this is wrong.

[CopperLine]

The whole point of a truth and reconcialiation commission - very diffilcut to achieve, but has still been acheived - is to bring out the truth of what has happened to people, what they have experienced. It is not to claim to establish 'the truth' as if only one truth were possible. It therefore accepts that there are many different histories, many different experiences, many different 'sides'. It operates on the principle of 'this is my story, this is my experience, this is what happened to me'. It does not proceed on the basis that you are lying, that your experience doesn't count, that your story is propaganda, that what happened to you and yours is irrelevant.

Piratis says

Are you ready to accept the truth?

As if the truth were a neat little package held by someone, just waiting for the taking. So long as your repeatedly throw such phrases around 'accept the truth - like some religiious mystic, as if we were waiting for a messiah, then nothing but ill will come of it.


Pantheman says,

Why do you only think we should be the ones to back down everytime. Its a good job we have people like Kifeas, piratis and others who are knowledgable people that can fight our corner.

First, I'm not asking you (whoever you are) to back down. Second, I'm not picking on Piratis or Kifeas or whoever, I'm responding to unknown people who post views on the Forum. I don't know who they are or whether they have a position or 'side' to defend

By not telling us, we will just consider you to be talking from the a biased side.

As I've said before, this tells us a lot more about you than it will ever tell about me.


I've not been in this Forum that long and I've not had chance to read many of the past threads, but already the number of times exactly the same arguments, exactly the same stereotypes, exactly the same disparaging of the other, exactly the same contempt for the others that is expressed here confirms that there's unlikely to be an end to the 'Cyprus problem'. A cycle of abuse to the Nth generation, and some people seem incapable of making any effort to break out of that vicious cycle.

in the end people will stop listening.

Seems to me that this happened a long time ago. The problem is not how do you get people to agree, the fundamental problem is how you get people to start listening again.

What is the Cyprus problem ? Why is there a Cyprus problem. Answer : look at many of the contributions in this Forum. Too few can step outside the trap.

[Bananiot]

Piratis do us all a favour. What difference does it make the nationality of the poster?

[pantheman]

I am not taking sides, I am not defending one side or another.

CopperLine you are taking sides and I think it would be better if you accept that you are a TC or Turk (or tell us what you are).

Nobody will have any prejudice against you because of your origin.

If for example you are Turk and you say so, then people here will have a great respect to you because they will see a Turk who is trying hard to be as objective as possible.

On the other hand, if you are a Turk (or Turk related) but you are trying to present yourself as an independent objective observer, this can be negative for you, since in that case you would be trying to pass your bias views as supposedly objective ones. I hope you would agree with me that this is wrong.

Thank you piratis, you put into words what i have been trying to say.

Lets see what comes. I don't think you will surprised, but i am willing to eat my hat.

[Piratis]

Almost clever pantheman. May be you are trying too hard.

Piratis wrote

They concentrate only in a small part of the past ,63-74, and even in that part the "truth" for them is just their own suffering. In that conflict both sides had an about equal share of blame. I and most other GCs in here repeatedly condemned the actions of EOKA B and the murder of innocent TCs.

The above is a joke and gross distortion of historical truth. EOKA B was not around till about 1972 or there abouts. The murders of Turkish Cypriots were committed by government backed paramilitarists of the likes of Papadopoulos, Yiorgadjis, Sampson and Lissarides. Makarios financed them and even offered his summer restp lace in Troodos for military exercises of the "organisation" members.

Bananiot, the people that later formed EOKA B where in Cyprus and they are the ones committing the crimes along with the TMT people, their TC counterpart.

The government simply fought against the paramilitaries and those that wanted to destroy RoC, as it should have done (and it should have done it more, if you ask me).

It is amazing on how much lies you can imagine simply to achieve your aims!!

[Bananiot]

What the hell are you talking about Piratis? Go and learn history. Do you realise that you are saying that the people that committed the atrocities in 1963 later formed EOKA B? I know it is convenient to have some hateful organisation to blame but spare us the agony. I thought you had more sense than that. All the books I have read claim that the paramilitarists of 1963 were Makarios and thus government sanctioned yet you lightly claim the government fought the paramilitarists. Either you are completely ignorant or a deliberate liar.