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Lack of Respect for Makarios III

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Postby zan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:37 am

Piratis wrote:Evidence by whom...?

All together now!!!

Michael Stephen


Zan didn't realize yet that I made that quote to prove how the source of Murataga can be used by just anybody, even the Turkish propagandist with the name Michael Stephen. Have you always been slow Zan, or it is due to aging?


Oh Oh You got me..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

You give shit and expect us to accept it as gold.....

Evidence everywhere tells us that you are lieing your arse off and the excuses you give for trying to fool the world that you had every right to kill us is just laughable. When the embargoes are gone then you will have no choice but to face up to your crimes and then perhaps we can talk about a solution. You think you have got it going your own way but you are going downhill fast and the brakes are failing. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Turkey's Response, and the Treaty of Guarantee
Five days after the overthrow of Makarios, and one day after his speech to the UN, the Turkish Government (at that time a Social Democrat Government), acted against the Greek invasion, and landed troops in the North of the island. The Greeks and Greek-Cypriots argue that the Turkish military action and subsequent presence is illegal. The Turks and Turkish-Cypriots say it is legal.

By Article 1 on the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee the Republic of Cyprus had agreed:

(a) to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security, (b) to ensure the maintenance of respect for its Constitution, and (c) not to participate in any political or economic union with any State. Further, the Republic declared prohibited any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other State or partition of the Island.

By Article II it was agreed that the Guarantor powers would:

(a) recognise and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic, (b) recognise and guarantee the state of affairs established by the Basic Articles of its Constitution, and (c) prohibit, so far as concerned them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the island.

Finally, by Article IV it was agreed that in the event of a breach of the provisions of the Treaty the Guarantor powers: (a) would consult together with respect to representations or measures necessary to ensure observance of those provisions, and (b) reserved the right, insofar as common or concerted action might not prove possible, to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the Treaty.

As at 20th July 1974 the "Republic of Cyprus" had quite clearly failed to maintain its independence, territorial integrity, or security, and had failed to maintain respect for its Constitution, as required by Article I of the Treaty. In particular it had failed to maintain respect for the Human Rights of its people recognised by and embodied in the Constitution. Further, Greece was itself in gross and obvious breach of Article II of the Treaty and accordingly, as required by Article IV, the United Kingdom and Turkey consulted together in London on 17th and 18th July. Greece was invited, but declined to attend.

The House of Commons Select Committee on Cyprus formed the view (HC 331 1975/76 para. 22), that during these consultations Turkey had proposed joint Anglo-Turkish action under the Treaty of Guarantee, and this was confirmed by Prime Minister Ecevit on 14th August 1974 (Daily Telegraph 15th August). However the Labour Government in Britain refused to take any effective action, even though they had troops and aircraft in the Sovereign Bases in Cyprus. They argued that Britain was under no duty to take military action, but Article II provided that Britain would guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic, which it manifestly failed to do. The Select Committee concluded that "Britain had a legal right to intervene, she had a moral obligation to intervene. She did not intervene for reasons which the Government refuses to give."

The responsibility therefore fell upon Turkey, as the only Guarantor willing to act, and on 20th July Turkish forces landed in Cyprus. The legal authority for their action rests not only upon the breaches of the Treaty identified here, but also upon the breaches committed before 1974 by the Republic of Cyprus at the instance of the Greek-Cypriots, and which have already been mentioned.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:38 am

Piratis wrote:Evidence by whom...?

All together now!!!

Michael Stephen


Zan didn't realize yet that I made that quote to prove how the source of Murataga can be used by just anybody, even the Turkish propagandist with the name Michael Stephen. Have you always been slow Zan, or it is due to aging?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
What's that name again???

Michael Stephen!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Another sweet victory for the Greek Cypriots... :D
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Postby Rahmi » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:50 am

Ayios Amvrosios Assocation sounds pretty Greek to me. It is natural to doubt its objectivity on the Cyprus issue.

Is Michael Stephen Turkish?
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Postby zan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:55 am

Get Real! wrote:
Piratis wrote:Evidence by whom...?

All together now!!!

Michael Stephen


Zan didn't realize yet that I made that quote to prove how the source of Murataga can be used by just anybody, even the Turkish propagandist with the name Michael Stephen. Have you always been slow Zan, or it is due to aging?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
What's that name again???

Michael Stephen!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Another sweet victory for the Greek Cypriots... :D



Shout again that name GR.... If it is not Greek then it must be a lie hey!!!! Your arguements are getting even weaker than when you first starting posting...Remember this...."Get Real..Get real"!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I really don't know who you guys think you are fooling..I did not see the flags on the mountain dim even for one second..... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:58 am

Rahmi wrote:Ayios Amvrosios Assocation sounds pretty Greek to me. It is natural to doubt its objectivity on the Cyprus issue.

Is Michael Stephen Turkish?

What we DO know about him is that he is a paid professional who has taken on the impossible task of making Turkey and/or the "TRNC" look good! :)
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Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:00 am

Rahmi wrote:Ayios Amvrosios Assocation sounds pretty Greek to me. It is natural to doubt its objectivity on the Cyprus issue.

Is Michael Stephen Turkish?


Here, from non Greek source:

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Postby zan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:02 am

Get Real! wrote:
Rahmi wrote:Ayios Amvrosios Assocation sounds pretty Greek to me. It is natural to doubt its objectivity on the Cyprus issue.

Is Michael Stephen Turkish?

What we DO know about him is that he is a paid professional who has taken on the impossible task of making Turkey and/or the "TRNC" look good! :)


Or maybe just trying to get the truth out over the lies that you guys have fed the world...Our account your propaganda.... :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:07 am

Piratis wrote:
Rahmi wrote:Ayios Amvrosios Assocation sounds pretty Greek to me. It is natural to doubt its objectivity on the Cyprus issue.

Is Michael Stephen Turkish?


Here, from non Greek source:

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Was that before or after 1963.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Murataga » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:07 am

Get Real! wrote:
Piratis wrote:Evidence by whom...?

All together now!!!

Michael Stephen


Zan didn't realize yet that I made that quote to prove how the source of Murataga can be used by just anybody, even the Turkish propagandist with the name Michael Stephen. Have you always been slow Zan, or it is due to aging?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
What's that name again???

Michael Stephen!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Another sweet victory for the Greek Cypriots... :D


Oh you really are pathetic... Have we really embarassed you with your lies that much in the past that a glimpse of promoting your racism gets you so jacke-up? I guess so 8)

(1) I already told you, myself, as I gave you the material that it was presented by Michael Stephen. Can`t you read ? :

it is from Foreign Affairs Committee Publications of the UK under "Written Evidence ordered by the House of Commons of the UK Parliament to be printed on 1 February 2005" which was presented by Michael Stephen on 30 September 2004.


I am sure it must be a "sweet victory" for you to figure out what was already written 8)

(2) You claimed I got it from Turkses and I showed you that I didn`t.

(3) You have presented absolutely no credible arguement to show that it is false- oh other than: simplying wishing on it...

However, what your racist buddy Piratis put up there is written evidence submitted by Ayios Amvrosios Assocation. And he dares to ask what I have to say about it... An essay claiming 200k when your government claims 162k? 6k when your government even can`t mention it and human rights organizations giving it at the 3k (including the murders of coup)? And the proof is here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#188892

and

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#188032

What do you have to say? 8)

(4) Here is another source for you written by David Carter- author of The Cyprus Tapes that is mentioned in the following aswell:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/UNFICYP.html

The reality is no matter how many sources you see you will continue to deny it. You would deny it even if Makarios got up from his grave and told it to your face. Sad...
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Postby Murataga » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:13 am

Piratis wrote:Hello Murataga,

Here is something more from Foreign Affairs Committee Publications of the UK under "Written Evidence ordered by the House of Commons of the UK Parliament to be printed on 1 February 2005"
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we39.htm

Following Turkeys double invasions on 20 July and 14 August 1974, the following devastating events took place:

— 200,000 Greek Cypriots were forcibly removed from their homes in the occupied area and made refugees.

— 6,000 Greek Cypriots including many civillians lost their lives.

— 1,000 Greek Cypriot women and young girls were raped. Such was the magnitude of the problem that the government of the Republic Cyprus passed a law to legalise abortion.


What do you have to say now Murataga? ;)

Seriously, I said it many times but I will say it again. Your "arguments" can convince only elementary school children. Your quote about Makarios was invented by the Turkish propagandists, and then you tried to pass it as something coming from the UK government, as if we are idiots and we wouldn't realize it.

Do you really think you can achieve anything with lies and such cheap tricks?


See my above post and try to come up with something worth looking into next time 8)
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