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[DT.]

The briefing compiled for the UK Parliment in May 1992 was published and sig 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties
Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative;
Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour;
Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative;
Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP

This briefing note is published by "The British Parliamentary Friends of Northern Cyprus" which is a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.

Big OZ my friend why did you remove the heading Friends of Northern Cyprus ??

DT I ahve a word document with all these quotes! I do not look for sites everytime there is a debate and I do remove most of the irrelevant parts leaving just the data on the subject. The same document probably features in many other sites with the same heading and content - the quoting site here is of no significance, it is the content which cannot be challenged as "untrue"!

If you say to me it is one sided, I might agree with you since the same applies for many quotes from US senate. The fact remains that the data relies on independent resources rather than claims by a TC minister or a TC site. The other question you may ask yourself is, what benefit do these 130+ MP "friends of Northern Cyprus" (not TRNC as you have quoted) can possibly expect from the TCs or North Cyprus. On the contrary it shows a genuine concern by a many MPs who have sought and recognised the true events...

Well for starters they've been given holiday homes by your boys....This is from the Guardian Sunday May 19, 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cyprus/story/ ... 69,00.html

'It's a beautiful part of the world,' Lord Kilclooney of Armagh, who has two cottages in the north, told The Observer . 'No international aid has been put into the Turkish side, which is outrageous,' said the peer, a former Ulster Unionist MP who heads the all-party parliamentary group, the Friends of Northern Cyprus.

[bigOz]

Just to prove my point; here is another quote I am about to add to my collection today. I thought I let you know before I delete the unnecessary details and use it in future debates:

Written evidence submitted by the All-Party Group for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

Notes on the visit of All Party Parliamentary "Friends of Northern Cyprus" Group to Turkish Northern Cyprus from the 12 November to 19 November 2004.

The six Delegates, led by Baroness Knight, had an extremely friendly and instructive week; hospitality was generous and greatly appreciated. The facts and discussions led to an awareness that the Northern Cypriots are being increasingly disillusioned after the great expectations provided by the Annan Plan which have not materialised; their isolation has, in fact, increased. There are increased problems with visas for entry to the south and with work permits. The Greek Cypriots are using their new position as members of the European Union (EU) to make life even more difficult for the TRNC.....
:
In the commercial and industrial spheres problems have increased. Business men need to purchase visas for themselves and their families to stay in the UK whereas the Greek Cypriots are allowed free entry. For example, a fixed year visa for a family of four costs £360—a high price in TRNC economic terms.

At the same time the British Consulate in Cyprus needs to be congratulated for successfully collaborating with the organisation which can invest EU funds into Northern Cyprus without using (as in the past) the Greek Cypriot Office......
:
Whilst the EU is anxious to improve relations between the North and South by increasing trade between both sectors, the Chamber of Commerce gave several examples of serious non-co-operation, for example:

1. Produce or manufactured goods from the North weighing more than 2 tons are refused entry to the South. A further vehicle is required making costs prohibitive.

2. Turkish workers in the South are paid less than Greeks doing the same jobs.

3. Greek Cypriots are restricted by border guards from bringing back purchases from the North, even additional petrol in the family car.

4. Failure to agree on direct flights into TRNC is having a negative impact on the political view of Turkish Cypriots disappointed by the failure of the Annan plan, and a serious impact on tourism and on commerce,

5. Exports of citrus fruits from TRNC are still banned by Greek Cypriots.

6. Turkish Delight can only be sold in Southern Cyprus if it is re-named "Cyprus Delight"!

The Delegates warmly welcome the news that representatives from the USA have recently visited Ercan Airport to establish its viability to commence flights directly from USA.

...and so it goes on! Do you see anything that is untrue there?
(for full details see: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we55.htm )

[DT.]

Just to prove my point; here is another quote I am about to add to my collection today. I thought I let you know before I delete the unnecessary details and use it in future debates:

Written evidence submitted by the All-Party Group for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

Notes on the visit of All Party Parliamentary "Friends of Northern Cyprus" Group to Turkish Northern Cyprus from the 12 November to 19 November 2004.

The six Delegates, led by Baroness Knight, had an extremely friendly and instructive week; hospitality was generous and greatly appreciated. The facts and discussions led to an awareness that the Northern Cypriots are being increasingly disillusioned after the great expectations provided by the Annan Plan which have not materialised; their isolation has, in fact, increased. There are increased problems with visas for entry to the south and with work permits. The Greek Cypriots are using their new position as members of the European Union (EU) to make life even more difficult for the TRNC.....
:
In the commercial and industrial spheres problems have increased. Business men need to purchase visas for themselves and their families to stay in the UK whereas the Greek Cypriots are allowed free entry. For example, a fixed year visa for a family of four costs £360—a high price in TRNC economic terms.

At the same time the British Consulate in Cyprus needs to be congratulated for successfully collaborating with the organisation which can invest EU funds into Northern Cyprus without using (as in the past) the Greek Cypriot Office......
:
Whilst the EU is anxious to improve relations between the North and South by increasing trade between both sectors, the Chamber of Commerce gave several examples of serious non-co-operation, for example:

1. Produce or manufactured goods from the North weighing more than 2 tons are refused entry to the South. A further vehicle is required making costs prohibitive.

2. Turkish workers in the South are paid less than Greeks doing the same jobs.

3. Greek Cypriots are restricted by border guards from bringing back purchases from the North, even additional petrol in the family car.

4. Failure to agree on direct flights into TRNC is having a negative impact on the political view of Turkish Cypriots disappointed by the failure of the Annan plan, and a serious impact on tourism and on commerce,

5. Exports of citrus fruits from TRNC are still banned by Greek Cypriots.

6. Turkish Delight can only be sold in Southern Cyprus if it is re-named "Cyprus Delight"!

The Delegates warmly welcome the news that representatives from the USA have recently visited Ercan Airport to establish its viability to commence flights directly from USA.

...and so it goes on! Do you see anything that is untrue there?

i do see some untruths there BigOZ but thats not my point. My point ws that you've been quoting from a TC Lobby group which is bias to say the least. You always said you quote from non-biased sources and removing the Friends of Northern Cyprus badge from the previous quote was sneaky.

[bigOz]

The briefing compiled for the UK Parliment in May 1992 was published and sig 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties
Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative;
Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour;
Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative;
Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP

This briefing note is published by "The British Parliamentary Friends of Northern Cyprus" which is a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.

Big OZ my friend why did you remove the heading Friends of Northern Cyprus ??

DT I ahve a word document with all these quotes! I do not look for sites everytime there is a debate and I do remove most of the irrelevant parts leaving just the data on the subject. The same document probably features in many other sites with the same heading and content - the quoting site here is of no significance, it is the content which cannot be challenged as "untrue"!

If you say to me it is one sided, I might agree with you since the same applies for many quotes from US senate. The fact remains that the data relies on independent resources rather than claims by a TC minister or a TC site. The other question you may ask yourself is, what benefit do these 130+ MP "friends of Northern Cyprus" (not TRNC as you have quoted) can possibly expect from the TCs or North Cyprus. On the contrary it shows a genuine concern by a many MPs who have sought and recognised the true events...

Well for starters they've been given holiday homes by your boys....This is from the Guardian Sunday May 19, 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cyprus/story/ ... 69,00.html

'It's a beautiful part of the world,' Lord Kilclooney of Armagh, who has two cottages in the north, told The Observer . 'No international aid has been put into the Turkish side, which is outrageous,' said the peer, a former Ulster Unionist MP who heads the all-party parliamentary group, the Friends of Northern Cyprus.

You are still missing the point DT. The above may well be true, but it is far from being proof that the claims of these guys are lies or not factual. When they prepare a report, they rely on actual events and reports from official sources! They are fully aware of the wrath of RoC embassy / consulate in UK, and what fools they would look in the Parliment if anything they say is a fairy tale!

The fact remains, the content of their report remains unchallenged by any Cypriot authority (something I am sure you can check from the relevant ministry on your side).

[DT.]

The briefing compiled for the UK Parliment in May 1992 was published and sig 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties
Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative;
Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour;
Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative;
Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP

This briefing note is published by "The British Parliamentary Friends of Northern Cyprus" which is a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.

Big OZ my friend why did you remove the heading Friends of Northern Cyprus ??

DT I ahve a word document with all these quotes! I do not look for sites everytime there is a debate and I do remove most of the irrelevant parts leaving just the data on the subject. The same document probably features in many other sites with the same heading and content - the quoting site here is of no significance, it is the content which cannot be challenged as "untrue"!

If you say to me it is one sided, I might agree with you since the same applies for many quotes from US senate. The fact remains that the data relies on independent resources rather than claims by a TC minister or a TC site. The other question you may ask yourself is, what benefit do these 130+ MP "friends of Northern Cyprus" (not TRNC as you have quoted) can possibly expect from the TCs or North Cyprus. On the contrary it shows a genuine concern by a many MPs who have sought and recognised the true events...

Well for starters they've been given holiday homes by your boys....This is from the Guardian Sunday May 19, 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cyprus/story/ ... 69,00.html

'It's a beautiful part of the world,' Lord Kilclooney of Armagh, who has two cottages in the north, told The Observer . 'No international aid has been put into the Turkish side, which is outrageous,' said the peer, a former Ulster Unionist MP who heads the all-party parliamentary group, the Friends of Northern Cyprus.

You are still missing the point DT. The above may well be true, but it is far from being proof that the claims of these guys are lies or not factual. When they prepare a report, they rely on actual events and reports from official sources! They are fully aware of the wrath of RoC embassy / consulate in UK, and what fools they would look in the Parliment if anything they say is a fairy tale!

The fact remains, the content of their report remains unchallenged by any Cypriot authority (something I am sure you can check from the relevant ministry on your side).

why should i sit up and listen to a source that has obviously been bribed (check my guardian link)

[DT.]

theres no shame in it BigOz. Presoctt has been given 2 homes in Limassol as well. The difference is that I don't quote Prescott or anyone else in Lobby for Cyprus and expect you to take it as fact.

[bigOz]

theres no shame in it BigOz. Presoctt has been given 2 homes in Limassol as well. The difference is that I don't quote Prescott or anyone else in Lobby for Cyprus and expect you to take it as fact.

If what Prescott says is based on facts and can go unchallenged, then it does not matter if he was given a private jet!

Anyway DT, as much as I really enjoy our debates, I must be off till tomorrow because my eyes are now hurting.

[zan]

The briefing compiled for the UK Parliment in May 1992 was published and sig 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties
Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative;
Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour;
Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative;
Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP

This briefing note is published by "The British Parliamentary Friends of Northern Cyprus" which is a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.

Big OZ my friend why did you remove the heading Friends of Northern Cyprus ??

I rteally am surprised Dt. I did not have you down as one of the "GanG"

These tactics of blaming the source is an old one and has no impact anymore. So you don't like where they came from or if they are our friends or not....Is what they say false or not. Have another go will you.

[DT.]

Ok Zan, here's what I believe requires a little more independant verification other than the neutral writings of the Northern cyprus House gifted Friends of Northern Cyprus.

The briefing compiled for the UK Parliment in May 1992 was published and sig 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties
Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative;
Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour;
Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative;
Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP

Their briefing was not paid for hot air as "yavshak" GR would like to believe or claim, but depended on European news reporters, as well as involving UNFCYP and Red Cross, with full details of names and dates!

British Parliment is not a circus, where MPs issue publishings based on hot air and unsupported evidence. Any argument to hold any ground must be strongly supprted by facts.

No matter how you scream and twist the truth is:

- Makarios was a paedophile, whose sexual preferences were manipulated by the British Secret Service in securing a Cyprus Republic rather than his desires at the time (i.e. ENOSIS).

- Professor Ernst Forsthoff, the neutral President of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus in an interview with the UPI press agency on 30th December 1963 said: "All this happened because Makarios wanted to remove all constitutional rights from the Turkish Cypriots."

- In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home said "I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island."

- The U.K. House of Commons Select Committee found that, "There is little doubt that much of the violence which the Turkish Cypriots claim led to to the total or partial destruction of 103 Turkish villages and the displacement of about a quarter of the total Turkish Cypriot population, was either directly inspired by, or certainly connived at, by the Greek Cypriot leadership itself"

- On 12th March 1977 Makarios had declared "In the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed."

- On Independence Day 1985 the Greek Cypriot Daily Simerini lamented as follows: "We believed that we are the centre of the Earth. We thought that we, small and insignificant as we are, would be capable of exercising policy on an intercontinental plane. But also above all we underestimated the Turks. The unstable and fickle policy of our leaders has brought us to the brink of total disaster."

- On 19th July 1974, before the Turkish army landed, Archbishop Makarios told the UN Security Council "I do not yet know the details of the Cyprus crisis caused by the Greek military regime. I am afraid that the number of losses is great... I considered the danger from Turkiye lesser than the danger from Greek army officers."

- In an article on 28th February 1976 in the Greek Cypriot press Father Papatsestos said: It is a rather hard thing to say, but it is true that the Turkish intervention saved us from a merciless internecine war. The Sampson regime had prepared a list of all Makarios supporters, and they would have slaughtered them all." Many of the people saved by Turkiye are members of the present Greek Cypriot leadership.

1) That Makarios was a paedophile
2) That Professor Ernst Forsthoff really said what he did. Just quote me the link from the publication
3) The link from the House Select Committee
4) I also need verification regarding the quote from Makarios and simerini. Can't seem to find it anywhere.
5) As for Papapetsos i don't who this is or what he does.


Anyway start with that Zan. I believe this is false but if you find me some independent verification i will believe. And when i say independent just steer clear from turkish interests groups and you'll be fine.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

'Property is cheap,' says Peter, from Whitby, giving a guided tour of his newly acquired £42,000 stone-wall villa in Bellapaix.

'My villa came fully furnished. I had plates, cutlery, even a bed to sleep on. Of course, it was pretty poignant finding the former owner's X-rays and seeing all the family pictures on the wall.'

Did he know who the previous owner had been? 'Some Greek who obviously left in a hurry. But it will be over my dead body that he gets this house back.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cyprus/story/ ... 69,00.html

The bolded bits show exactly the type of parasite British scum that are illegally buying properties in the north. Someone find this Peter from Whitby and make him regret his words "over my dead body...". There just lucky the Greek Cypriots arent as militant as the Palestinians - maybe we should be and stick a bomb in his car.

Does nobody also see that most of the British MP's who support the regime in the north have ties to Ulster and Northern Ireland. Seems there is an honour amongst theives in the north, whether they are from Turkey or Great Britain.