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[Nikitas]

As for the issue at hand, the Third Attila, I am amazed at the naive comments made by some fellow Greek Cypriots here. Naturally Turkey is constantly altering the situation so that a solution will be unreachable! We have an adverary who thinks only in geopolitical terms, and we try to combat this with dialectic about who and what is right, legal or in accordance with principle X or Y.

Wake up! As long as the power balance is the way it is now, no solution will come about. In my opinion the next Attila will be when there will be claims about a new Turkish minority in the south who need protection. Wait and see! The scene played out is pretty much in accordance with the Annan Plan- masters of north and partners in the south.

It is amazing that no one here, Greek or Turk, has commented on the absence of any plan whatsoever to attract Cypriots (of all communities) who emigrate after 1974, back to Cyprus, yet there is a constant influx of settlers and lots of thought about how their status will be safeguarded in the future. At the same time there is a sellout of land to foreigners. Now that, is an insult to all Cypriots, might even call it betrayal, but no one noticed.

Wake up boys and girls. Your island is being eroded!


and a word to Zan,

You post many references to suffering at the hands of Greeks etc. Perhaps you have suffered, but in this vein I must put forth my epxeriences, not my opinions.

I recall the years 1957 and 1958 when the British would put us Greek Cypriots in curfew from 7 pm till 7 am. While in our houses in Nicosia, guarded by Turkish Cypriot police officers, Turkish civilians came over and burnt and looted shops. When we asked for protection we were told to apply to EOKA. This is not opinion, this is fact. And it all happened long before there was any EOKA action against the Turkish community.

So when you say you suffered at the hands of the Greeks in Cyprus, remember that you (your community) meted out some suffering too. It was never one sided!

[zan]

As for the issue at hand, the Third Attila, I am amazed at the naive comments made by some fellow Greek Cypriots here. Naturally Turkey is constantly altering the situation so that a solution will be unreachable! We have an adverary who thinks only in geopolitical terms, and we try to combat this with dialectic about who and what is right, legal or in accordance with principle X or Y.

Wake up! As long as the power balance is the way it is now, no solution will come about. In my opinion the next Attila will be when there will be claims about a new Turkish minority in the south who need protection. Wait and see! The scene played out is pretty much in accordance with the Annan Plan- masters of north and partners in the south.

It is amazing that no one here, Greek or Turk, has commented on the absence of any plan whatsoever to attract Cypriots (of all communities) who emigrate after 1974, back to Cyprus, yet there is a constant influx of settlers and lots of thought about how their status will be safeguarded in the future. At the same time there is a sellout of land to foreigners. Now that, is an insult to all Cypriots, might even call it betrayal, but no one noticed.

Wake up boys and girls. Your island is being eroded!


and a word to Zan,

You post many references to suffering at the hands of Greeks etc. Perhaps you have suffered, but in this vein I must put forth my epxeriences, not my opinions.

I recall the years 1957 and 1958 when the British would put us Greek Cypriots in curfew from 7 pm till 7 am. While in our houses in Nicosia, guarded by Turkish Cypriot police officers, Turkish civilians came over and burnt and looted shops. When we asked for protection we were told to apply to EOKA. This is not opinion, this is fact. And it all happened long before there was any EOKA action against the Turkish community.

So when you say you suffered at the hands of the Greeks in Cyprus, remember that you (your community) meted out some suffering too. It was never one sided!

Never said it was...It is just that ours has been erased from the face of the earth and all those killed were first GCs and all the suffering and wrongs were done against the GCs. I think you also need to check your dates about when EOKA was active and when ENOSIS was sought.

[Chimera]

As for the issue at hand, the Third Attila, I am amazed at the naive comments made by some fellow Greek Cypriots here. Naturally Turkey is constantly altering the situation so that a solution will be unreachable! We have an adverary who thinks only in geopolitical terms, and we try to combat this with dialectic about who and what is right, legal or in accordance with principle X or Y.

Wake up! As long as the power balance is the way it is now, no solution will come about. In my opinion the next Attila will be when there will be claims about a new Turkish minority in the south who need protection. Wait and see! The scene played out is pretty much in accordance with the Annan Plan- masters of north and partners in the south.

It is amazing that no one here, Greek or Turk, has commented on the absence of any plan whatsoever to attract Cypriots (of all communities) who emigrate after 1974, back to Cyprus, yet there is a constant influx of settlers and lots of thought about how their status will be safeguarded in the future. At the same time there is a sellout of land to foreigners. Now that, is an insult to all Cypriots, might even call it betrayal, but no one noticed.

Wake up boys and girls. Your island is being eroded!


and a word to Zan,

You post many references to suffering at the hands of Greeks etc. Perhaps you have suffered, but in this vein I must put forth my epxeriences, not my opinions.

I recall the years 1957 and 1958 when the British would put us Greek Cypriots in curfew from 7 pm till 7 am. While in our houses in Nicosia, guarded by Turkish Cypriot police officers, Turkish civilians came over and burnt and looted shops. When we asked for protection we were told to apply to EOKA. This is not opinion, this is fact. And it all happened long before there was any EOKA action against the Turkish community.

So when you say you suffered at the hands of the Greeks in Cyprus, remember that you (your community) meted out some suffering too. It was never one sided!

I am new here too, and my days may be numbered, , but I just wanted to welcome you and say what a breath of fresh air your comments are.

I think the issue of the Cypriot Diaspora has been taken on board by the U.K Cyprus Embassy, but it would be great if someone energetic spent some time expounding that policy.

As for your point on the re-seeding effect of Turks in the RoC, growing in number and demanding another section of Cyprus.....Well that is very astute. I've often seen the effect on a petri-dish!

Perhaps raise the topic as a thread.
Good luck.

[denizaksulu]

Hello Gumbares: Arent you in bed yet? At last I managed to set up my new LT. Luckily for me they detected traces of water in the old one. I was about to buy a new one when they suggested I contact my insurance company. Lo and behold they offered me a brand new one. Not my choice, as I had my heart set up on a new Sony Viao. They offered me an ACER 6460. I cant complain. Bigger memory and much faster. Still undecided whether I should use the "finger print" option. It took me a while to set up the WiFi but I got there in the end. I am back and so much has happened on the forum with new entries.
I will go to bed soon, my eyes are so tired. Been reading the posts non-sto since lunchtime. There is so much more to read.
Kallinichtas my friend.
Deniz

Well aren't you lucky for getting a new one! I wouldn't go for the slimline Sony, it wins in looks but there's just too much heat sandwiched in there!

I have just re-read this post. You right. This new Acer-TravelMate 6460, is slime line It does get really hot. With all these posts of your that I enjoy reading I am waiting for the BIG breakdown. Next time I will try to by a desk top, but the Insurers did not give me an option. I dont see why as PCs are cheaper.

Regards
Deniz

[Nikitas]

Zan,

I know the dates, I lived them. EOKA was active from 1955 till 1959. The Greek Cypriot- Turkish Cypriot clashes did not happen till late 1957. I recall the first one was an attack on a bus in Guneli (spelling?) very cleverly set up by the British to entrap the two major communities in intercommunal strife, and it worked. Which does not exactly show us as very intelligent as a whole!

When you think of it there is not one single non-Anglosaxon former colony that got rid of the British with no ill effects. We were not clever enough to avoid that trap and we are stil paying for it.

[zan]

Zan,

I know the dates, I lived them. EOKA was active from 1955 till 1959. The Greek Cypriot- Turkish Cypriot clashes did not happen till late 1957. I recall the first one was an attack on a bus in Guneli (spelling?) very cleverly set up by the British to entrap the two major communities in intercommunal strife, and it worked. Which does not exactly show us as very intelligent as a whole!

When you think of it there is not one single non-Anglosaxon former colony that got rid of the British with no ill effects. We were not clever enough to avoid that trap and we are stil paying for it.

Without Nearly a hundred years of ENOSIS being a factor then we might have stood a chance.

[Pyrpolizer]

Zan,

I know the dates, I lived them. EOKA was active from 1955 till 1959. The Greek Cypriot- Turkish Cypriot clashes did not happen till late 1957. I recall the first one was an attack on a bus in Guneli (spelling?) very cleverly set up by the British to entrap the two major communities in intercommunal strife, and it worked. Which does not exactly show us as very intelligent as a whole!

When you think of it there is not one single non-Anglosaxon former colony that got rid of the British with no ill effects. We were not clever enough to avoid that trap and we are stil paying for it.

Without Nearly a hundred years of ENOSIS being a factor then we might have stood a chance.

Other colonies had ENOSIS aspirations? Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka....

Divide and rule is the easiest thing to do when you are in power.

[Pyrpolizer]

Zan,

I know the dates, I lived them. EOKA was active from 1955 till 1959. The Greek Cypriot- Turkish Cypriot clashes did not happen till late 1957. I recall the first one was an attack on a bus in Guneli (spelling?) very cleverly set up by the British to entrap the two major communities in intercommunal strife, and it worked. Which does not exactly show us as very intelligent as a whole!

When you think of it there is not one single non-Anglosaxon former colony that got rid of the British with no ill effects. We were not clever enough to avoid that trap and we are stil paying for it.

The problem with us is that until the Annan Plan days, we were still thinking they would "help" us. Until we realized what new bomb they delivered us.

Forget about the Anglo-Americans.

NO MORE!

[Get Real!]

Hello Gumbares: Arent you in bed yet? At last I managed to set up my new LT. Luckily for me they detected traces of water in the old one. I was about to buy a new one when they suggested I contact my insurance company. Lo and behold they offered me a brand new one. Not my choice, as I had my heart set up on a new Sony Viao. They offered me an ACER 6460. I cant complain. Bigger memory and much faster. Still undecided whether I should use the "finger print" option. It took me a while to set up the WiFi but I got there in the end. I am back and so much has happened on the forum with new entries.
I will go to bed soon, my eyes are so tired. Been reading the posts non-sto since lunchtime. There is so much more to read.
Kallinichtas my friend.
Deniz

Well aren't you lucky for getting a new one! I wouldn't go for the slimline Sony, it wins in looks but there's just too much heat sandwiched in there!

I have just re-read this post. You right. This new Acer-TravelMate 6460, is slime line It does get really hot. With all these posts of your that I enjoy reading I am waiting for the BIG breakdown. Next time I will try to by a desk top, but the Insurers did not give me an option. I dont see why as PCs are cheaper.

Just very quickly, because I have to go to a party and little you know who is complaining, have a look underneath because your laptop is bound to have little legs so use them; it'll give 1-2cm of breathing space underneath and also never use it on a soft surface like a bed. If there's a fan at the bottom it'll clog up and overheat. Gotta run now...

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Yep, Nikitas' posts are a breath of fresh air.

...and a little top for Nikitas - many of us have long since stopped trying to 'debate' with Zan because he neither holds the morals or intelligence to research the truth behind the Cyprus problem or Cyprus history in general.

He, like a lot of these other new-age Turkish Cypriot cult members springing out of the internet, put the rest of their community (which we cant tell is Turkish Cypriot or Turkish - probably the later) to shame as he'll stoop so low as to lie about history in order to try and put some legitimacy in Turkey's ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation of the north of Cyprus.