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[Pyrpolizer]

I just noticed Kikapus topic has been deliberately destroyed.
What's all these have to do with the topic?????

It wasn't much of a Topic actually Pyro, but an interesting article of today's situation facing any peace process. I don't know why some are trying to divert attention from reality, and it must be the truth, because it has not been countered with any kinds of accusations, but instead unrelated materials from the past. Any intelligent reader will know, what goes on here, so why waste time with all the "smoke screens" to try and derail what's in the public domain, as the initial report was.

The report does add a lot of credence to my conversation with my cousin's husband however, regarding the land issues and peace.

Oh I believe there was MUCH to talk for this Kikapu. This forum tends to be more like exchanging swords that providing ANY information at all.
For example:
a)The report says the directions came from Ankara. What directions? Is it true, does anybody know anything about it?
b)what is the short term and what will it be the long term IMPACT on the TCs. Has anyone thought about it? ( I already asked this question but nobody replied) And finally of course
c)The impact on the prospects for a solution-which is pretty obvious anyway.

Your cousin's husband is just one of the many crooks imo. And not only that, I suspect he did what he did, having inside information.

By the information I have this sudden construction boom was actually PRE-PLANNED. The plan was a)Concentrate huge parts of developable land in the hands of few by buying for peanuts. b)Do the infrastructure (using taxpayers money from Turkey) and have it ready. c)Start building cause a boost in prices and get the profit.

In this chorus there are mainly mainland Turkish Companies, British rank second (is there any place in the world they wouldn't stick their noses? , Israelis, Germans, Russians, and believe it or not there are suspicions for some Gcs of the diaspora too.

The average TC who sells today is just a small fish in the big lake...

And there is of course that part of honest TCs who refuse to join.

[Pyrpolizer]

@bigOz.
I guess we should start designing some video game titles then like Sampson II, or Grivas X
The TC owned properties in the northern part are more than enough to sell to foreigners. We have huge parts in our on towns that while the whole town is developed those parts look like stucked in previous century. Yet we don't do it because they don't belong to us.
IF development was an absolute necessity for the TCs they could have put down as AN ISSUE OF PRIORITY and discuss that issue alone on the basis of exhcanging some lands. Who would dare refuse to even discuss it? And if our side would not accept, the TCs would at least have evidence they showed good will and caring for the loss of their presumable "compatriots". Where i that EVIDENCE BigOz????

Well, I thought all this would be part and parcel of any negotiations prior to a final egreement on a bi-zonal federal island. What I mean P, is that these issues are not for isolated discussions but a part of a much larger scale of issues that need to be sorted between the two comunities...

We are not fighting but we are not getting anywhere either! What has been happening for the past 4 1/2 years? That is the question that everyone should be asking - not debating about what was left where, when, by whom!

But that's the whole point. Why should (at least a small part of the properties) be within the parcel of the overall solution? Are the direct flights and direct trade damanded within the parcel?

It's one thing to start selling GC properties and then find the EXCUSE of "well what can we do, we need development", and nother to come honestly to a negotiating table and say "we need development, I propose a,b,c,d what do you think, help me to help you."

Anyway like I said before this matter was actually pre-planned to make a few thousand crooks richer.

[Pyrpolizer]

Have you ever watched the behaviour of a 'Gaggle of Geese' when they get together?, the nearest thing to a meeting of political representatives in the Animal Kingdom.

Plenty of head movement, lots of noise at the slightest interference and nothing constructive when the meeting is over, except for the heaps of shite they leave behind.

Even worse when they are pissed !!.

Eliko I am starting a new topic about this. Please have a look.

[Kikapu]

The point of anything that is posted on any thread is that all things are related and you will only comment on things that make the Tcs look bad and apply no justification as to why things are the way they are today. For every yin there is a yan and all you do is point out the yanus'. The reasons why the Greeks are treating us like shit???? Care to offer an opinion. Sorry mate, but as I said before...You are nothing more than the Greek Nationalist mouth piece. Not one word of justification has come out of your mouth but condemnation of a long suffering people seems to come naturally. Have you read Alkan Chaglars section on Wikipedia? If you have discovered your Christian roots then good luck to you but please nail your colors to the post....

Zan,

You are beginning to sound like a very desperate man by accusing others being an agent of your "enemy", just because they put forward an article that was on the net. I did not even write the article or even offered a comment, and you're already "circling the wagons" as how to defend it or worse, do some damage control, so that it does not look bad on the TC's. Any idiot will see, that these are the trademarks of a lousy work performed by "lousy Propagandist". Well, you're are more than welcome to defend the TC's by shooting holes into the article, but since you couldn't do that, you want to shoot the messenger. These are the actions of a desperate man with desperate acts. You think for a minute, that you can call me certain names, will somehow will make the report go away. All that it does my poor Partitionist friend, is add more credibility to the story by trying to Propagandise it. You already copy paste garbage that is totally unrelated to this report by trying to change the topic, and then you say, they are all linked.

The report talks about the difficulties that will arise by all these constructions on GC land. Was that a incorrect statement. But of course, you already know the answer to that question and for you and other Partitionist, that is music to your ears, since it will make a settlement more difficult. Now let me remember what you said once and correct me if I'm wrong. Did you once not say, that it was a good thing that the British and others were buying property built on GC land, because any settlement will have to include the foreigners also. So basically you were happy to muddy up the water just a little bit more. Now there's a caring Cypriot for you, who wants to make life difficult for all those concerned, so that some crooks can collect their prizes.

There's nothing about you that says your humanity is in the right place my friend. You do not offer any conciliatory statements towards peace, no compassion to the Cyprus problems, and eager to attack those who defend all Cypriots and want to move forward, where's you are stuck in the past. Your and VP's life is best described in the movie "Groundhog Day". You two wake up every morning with the same gibberish and if this is your way to convince the world of the TC's plight, then I say, God save the TC's from you two, because you two are burying the TC's deeper into the "shit hole" than the GC's have with the isolation. No one is buying your stories Zan, when you are even turning against your own. Who the hell do you think like Cannibals Zan.

[humanist]

Perhaps it is best that TC's live in the North I am getting really scared with their racism and discrimination. Not to mention hypocrisy, they claim they are Turks yet GC's are not able to claim their Greekness go figure.

[zan]

The point of anything that is posted on any thread is that all things are related and you will only comment on things that make the Tcs look bad and apply no justification as to why things are the way they are today. For every yin there is a yan and all you do is point out the yanus'. The reasons why the Greeks are treating us like shit???? Care to offer an opinion. Sorry mate, but as I said before...You are nothing more than the Greek Nationalist mouth piece. Not one word of justification has come out of your mouth but condemnation of a long suffering people seems to come naturally. Have you read Alkan Chaglars section on Wikipedia? If you have discovered your Christian roots then good luck to you but please nail your colors to the post....

Zan,

You are beginning to sound like a very desperate man by accusing others being an agent of your "enemy", just because they put forward an article that was on the net. I did not even write the article or even offered a comment, and you're already "circling the wagons" as how to defend it or worse, do some damage control, so that it does not look bad on the TC's. Any idiot will see, that these are the trademarks of a lousy work performed by "lousy Propagandist". Well, you're are more than welcome to defend the TC's by shooting holes into the article, but since you couldn't do that, you want to shoot the messenger. These are the actions of a desperate man with desperate acts. You think for a minute, that you can call me certain names, will somehow will make the report go away. All that it does my poor Partitionist friend, is add more credibility to the story by trying to Propagandise it. You already copy paste garbage that is totally unrelated to this report by trying to change the topic, and then you say, they are all linked.

The report talks about the difficulties that will arise by all these constructions on GC land. Was that a incorrect statement. But of course, you already know the answer to that question and for you and other Partitionist, that is music to your ears, since it will make a settlement more difficult. Now let me remember what you said once and correct me if I'm wrong. Did you once not say, that it was a good thing that the British and others were buying property built on GC land, because any settlement will have to include the foreigners also. So basically you were happy to muddy up the water just a little bit more. Now there's a caring Cypriot for you, who wants to make life difficult for all those concerned, so that some crooks can collect their prizes.

There's nothing about you that says your humanity is in the right place my friend. You do not offer any conciliatory statements towards peace, no compassion to the Cyprus problems, and eager to attack those who defend all Cypriots and want to move forward, where's you are stuck in the past. Your and VP's life is best described in the movie "Groundhog Day". You two wake up every morning with the same gibberish and if this is your way to convince the world of the TC's plight, then I say, God save the TC's from you two, because you two are burying the TC's deeper into the "shit hole" than the GC's have with the isolation. No one is buying your stories Zan, when you are even turning against your own. Who the hell do you think like Cannibals Zan.

Bang goes the new found calm eh Kikapu....


I really have not found a single post by you that says anything positive about the TCs and you expect me to like it. Your biased attitude says all I need to know about why you post what you do so stop giving me rubbish about who is doing the TCs harm. We are where we are because we were attacked and persecuted from almost day one oof the new republic but you give all the excuses to the Gcs and blame everything on us. Then you have no shame in claiming a Cypriot nationality. As I said before .. I am trying to secure my peoples future in a hostile land that sees Hellenism as an overriding factor in all aspects of Cyprus and us as an obstacle. If Copperline can come along and give an account of both sides wrongs and justify the situation as it is then why can't you. The recent events of pointing out the lies that the forum members are telling is not giving you any clues either??? Your agenda is clear and I blame myself for dropping my guard in thinking that you were actually going to commit to fairness instead of attacking the Tcs at every chance you got. We will not sit back and wait for you and your GC friends to starve us out. We will move on and I am afraid the GC refugees will have nothing left but compensation to look forward to if the GCs do not mend their ways. We build on Greek land as they build on ours. Simple!!!

[Kikapu]

Bang goes the new found calm eh Kikapu....

I never said I will not defend myself or my views. I'm just not calling people names or be nasty to them, unlike you.

I really have not found a single post by you that says anything positive about the TCs and you expect me to like it. Your biased attitude says all I need to know about why you post what you do so stop giving me rubbish about who is doing the TCs harm. We are where we are because we were attacked and persecuted from almost day one oof the new republic but you give all the excuses to the Gcs and blame everything on us. Then you have no shame in claiming a Cypriot nationality. As I said before .. I am trying to secure my peoples future in a hostile land that sees Hellenism as an overriding factor in all aspects of Cyprus and us as an obstacle. If Copperline can come along and give an account of both sides wrongs and justify the situation as it is then why can't you. The recent events of pointing out the lies that the forum members are telling is not giving you any clues either??? Your agenda is clear and I blame myself for dropping my guard in thinking that you were actually going to commit to fairness instead of attacking the Tcs at every chance you got. We will not sit back and wait for you and your GC friends to starve us out. We will move on and I am afraid the GC refugees will have nothing left but compensation to look forward to if the GCs do not mend their ways. We build on Greek land as they build on ours. Simple!!!

You are the one who does not have a single balanced views Zan, so please leave others out and sort yourself out first, because believe it or not, I do find faults from both sides and have stated many times. Now, can you say the same thing.?

Your dramatics are really over the top with all your accusations about everyone else. You show me anywhere, where you have ever accused the TC's ever doing anything wrong. Sorry, I just remembered something that you have accused the TC's of being not as good liars as the GC' in their efforts to get their message out. That's your only accusation, and I'm suppose to take you seriously.

I do not deny what has happened between the TC's and the GC's ever since I was a little boy. After I left Cyprus in 1964, my mother remained behind with other 5 siblings and cooked for the TC fighters for the next 4 years, living in a shit hole of a place. Where were your family Zan. You make it sound like they were all in the UK during these times since most of your family have moved back to Cyprus recently. I'm not blaming anyone for leaving that terrible situation. They were in fact the lucky ones, and it probably helped those who stated behind, so that they had more to eat and less of them to protect, so don't give me this guilt tripping about no one cares about our people except for you and VP. From the two persons who had the least experience of the past events over many of us TC's on the forum, you two have the audacity to accuse the others of not caring for our people. Just to let you know Zan, my mother is not bitter about her fellow Cypriots either. It's time to move forward.

[zan]

Bang goes the new found calm eh Kikapu....

I never said I will not defend myself or my views. I'm just not calling people names or be nasty to them, unlike you.

I really have not found a single post by you that says anything positive about the TCs and you expect me to like it. Your biased attitude says all I need to know about why you post what you do so stop giving me rubbish about who is doing the TCs harm. We are where we are because we were attacked and persecuted from almost day one oof the new republic but you give all the excuses to the Gcs and blame everything on us. Then you have no shame in claiming a Cypriot nationality. As I said before .. I am trying to secure my peoples future in a hostile land that sees Hellenism as an overriding factor in all aspects of Cyprus and us as an obstacle. If Copperline can come along and give an account of both sides wrongs and justify the situation as it is then why can't you. The recent events of pointing out the lies that the forum members are telling is not giving you any clues either??? Your agenda is clear and I blame myself for dropping my guard in thinking that you were actually going to commit to fairness instead of attacking the Tcs at every chance you got. We will not sit back and wait for you and your GC friends to starve us out. We will move on and I am afraid the GC refugees will have nothing left but compensation to look forward to if the GCs do not mend their ways. We build on Greek land as they build on ours. Simple!!!

You are the one who does not have a single balanced views Zan, so please leave others out and sort yourself out first, because believe it or not, I do find faults from both sides and have stated many times. Now, can you say the same thing.?

Your dramatics are really over the top with all your accusations about everyone else. You show me anywhere, where you have ever accused the TC's ever doing anything wrong. Sorry, I just remembered something that you have accused the TC's of being not as good liars as the GC' in their efforts to get their message out. That's your only accusation, and I'm suppose to take you seriously.

I do not deny what has happened between the TC's and the GC's ever since I was a little boy. After I left Cyprus in 1964, my mother remained behind with other 5 siblings and cooked for the TC fighters for the next 4 years, living in a shit hole of a place. Where were your family Zan. You make it sound like they were all in the UK during these times since most of your family have moved back to Cyprus recently. I'm not blaming anyone for leaving that terrible situation. They were in fact the lucky ones, and it probably helped those who stated behind, so that they had more to eat and less of them to protect, so don't give me this guilt tripping about no one cares about our people except for you and VP. From the two persons who had the least experience of the past events over many of us TC's on the forum, you two have the audacity to accuse the others of not caring for our people. Just to let you know Zan, my mother is not bitter about her fellow Cypriots either. It's time to move forward.

Absolutely..Move forward..But you want to reverse to the point that only the GCs get what they want and we are the ones that cop it again. Move on from 74 is what you are saying and that is exactly what the GCs are saying. They blame us for everything and so do you. They want to justify their murdering and so do you. Lets move on then...We have our own state and so do they...They lost out and so did we.. Quid pro quo...Lets move on and get on with our lives. If they do not want to include us in the constitution as the UN has said they should then let us move on. We will not sit back and wait any longer and as they take our land and build on it then so shall we. As they progress then so shall we. As they bitch then so shall we. How did you get on with your thread on the BBf by the way...What a lot of interest you got from the GCs. Did you come to a conclusion???No I thought not. You and Bir have both tried to bring about an agreement and have faced opposition from both sides so lets move on.

[pitsilos]

You and Bir have both tried to bring about an agreement and have faced opposition from both sides so lets move on.

what opposition? and where?

[MR-from-NG]

Bang goes the new found calm eh Kikapu....

I never said I will not defend myself or my views. I'm just not calling people names or be nasty to them, unlike you.

I really have not found a single post by you that says anything positive about the TCs and you expect me to like it. Your biased attitude says all I need to know about why you post what you do so stop giving me rubbish about who is doing the TCs harm. We are where we are because we were attacked and persecuted from almost day one oof the new republic but you give all the excuses to the Gcs and blame everything on us. Then you have no shame in claiming a Cypriot nationality. As I said before .. I am trying to secure my peoples future in a hostile land that sees Hellenism as an overriding factor in all aspects of Cyprus and us as an obstacle. If Copperline can come along and give an account of both sides wrongs and justify the situation as it is then why can't you. The recent events of pointing out the lies that the forum members are telling is not giving you any clues either??? Your agenda is clear and I blame myself for dropping my guard in thinking that you were actually going to commit to fairness instead of attacking the Tcs at every chance you got. We will not sit back and wait for you and your GC friends to starve us out. We will move on and I am afraid the GC refugees will have nothing left but compensation to look forward to if the GCs do not mend their ways. We build on Greek land as they build on ours. Simple!!!

You are the one who does not have a single balanced views Zan, so please leave others out and sort yourself out first, because believe it or not, I do find faults from both sides and have stated many times. Now, can you say the same thing.?

Your dramatics are really over the top with all your accusations about everyone else. You show me anywhere, where you have ever accused the TC's ever doing anything wrong. Sorry, I just remembered something that you have accused the TC's of being not as good liars as the GC' in their efforts to get their message out. That's your only accusation, and I'm suppose to take you seriously.

I do not deny what has happened between the TC's and the GC's ever since I was a little boy. After I left Cyprus in 1964, my mother remained behind with other 5 siblings and cooked for the TC fighters for the next 4 years, living in a shit hole of a place. Where were your family Zan. You make it sound like they were all in the UK during these times since most of your family have moved back to Cyprus recently. I'm not blaming anyone for leaving that terrible situation. They were in fact the lucky ones, and it probably helped those who stated behind, so that they had more to eat and less of them to protect, so don't give me this guilt tripping about no one cares about our people except for you and VP. From the two persons who had the least experience of the past events over many of us TC's on the forum, you two have the audacity to accuse the others of not caring for our people. Just to let you know Zan, my mother is not bitter about her fellow Cypriots either. It's time to move forward.

Absolutely..Move forward..But you want to reverse to the point that only the GCs get what they want and we are the ones that cop it again. Move on from 74 is what you are saying and that is exactly what the GCs are saying. They blame us for everything and so do you. They want to justify their murdering and so do you. Lets move on then...We have our own state and so do they...They lost out and so did we.. Quid pro quo...Lets move on and get on with our lives. If they do not want to include us in the constitution as the UN has said they should then let us move on. We will not sit back and wait any longer and as they take our land and build on it then so shall we. As they progress then so shall we. As they bitch then so shall we. How did you get on with your thread on the BBf by the way...What a lot of interest you got from the GCs. Did you come to a conclusion???No I thought not. You and Bir have both tried to bring about an agreement and have faced opposition from both sides so lets move on.

Zan, if Kikapu was to receive a certificate of exemption from the army from our ministry of defence, and the deeds for 4 donums of exchanged GC land his loyalty would soon change

Kikapus whole problem is the military service. he wants a solution at any cost so that he avoids doing it. In a way I can understand him as the 2 years I was forced to do ruined me financially and emotionally.