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[DT.]

the biggest obstacle to finding lasting peace in cyprus is this cypriots can be compared to a cancer patient, the petient has cancer of the brain and th eonly way to save the petient is to cut out the cancer,,,,,,,,,,thus coming to some greement with ankara and athens and britain to break of all diplomatic relationships with cyprus for at least 50 years soo the island can develop its own identity as greek and turkish speaking cypriots , this sounds drastic donst it readers well for drastic situations one needs drastic actions, further more cyprus should not have army of any kind on the island,this will further devide the cypriot community, but a visionary army can be set of say 2000 people from both cumminities as a reaction force from cyprus to help victioms of earth quake of floods or such natural disaters this cyprus leading the way into the the world platform in terms of example that we are one people on the island, as long as we have im turkish and im greek declarations in cyprus this false beliefe that all cypriots have, there will never ever be any settlement that will leave cyprus to be free self determining island and if you people in this forum think otherwise they you need your heads examined

make up your bloody mind...Are we getting them examined or chopped off?

[free_cyprus]

since you dotn know the differance and your having problem with deciding what is what then i would definaly say your case is to far gone to be cured, if thats all you have to say to th epost i have posted, off cource of the other options is you do not except any of it perhaps you can come up with a better solution that will give us peace and harmony

[alexISS]

the biggest obstacle to finding lasting peace in cyprus is this cypriots can be compared to a cancer patient

Do you know what happened the last time a nation was compared to a patient?

[Pyrpolizer]

BigOz,

Obviously the Turkish Army has no reason to interfere with Turkeys economic matters. But is does consider the Cyprus issue as one of the National interests that concern it. Do you doubt it wants and has the final word? So whatever the GCs agree with the TCs who can guarantee us Erdogan will agree, and who can guarantee us the Turkish army will finally consent? I mean look at just the simple case of the bridge. Talat was called in Turkey was told to sit down like a good student for 2 hours just to learn his lesson he has no authority to decide.

So do you really want us to believe there is any chance to find a settlement when the Turkish Army not only has the final word but also the first word behind the scenes in Cyprus?

[humanist]

How can one forget that, Pyr, we are reminded each and everyday by some Turkish speakers on this forum.. I cannot fathom how people cannot see tat they are no better off 33 years later, and still belive the ones who hold them down. Not the GC's either.

Action = Turkey illegally occupying north Cyprus (ECHR confirms this).
Consequence = economic embargo on the north of Cyprus

[free_cyprus]

alexISS
i have no idea and i never even knew another country was compared to cancer perhaps you like to enlighten me on this

[free_cyprus]

humanist
im with you all the way on this one mate

[alexISS]

alexISS
i have no idea and i never even knew another country was compared to cancer perhaps you like to enlighten me on this

Not to cancer, to a patient.

A 1968 article from Time magazine

Greece's junta leaders like to think of the country as a patient that requires their constant attention. Last week, as the regime finally made public its long-awaited new constitution, Colonel-turned-Premier George Papadopoulos put on his best bedside manner.

"We have a sick patient here," he told newsmen. "We must decide how soon he will be able to walk and when we should remove the plaster cast. But if we decide the patient needs more plaster, we will give it to him."

Source:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 65,00.html

[bigOz]

As you know we GC's are keen investors in Turkey.

Tell me you were kidding DT!

[CopperLine]

Pyropolizer,

Obviously the Turkish Army has no reason to interfere with Turkeys economic matters.

In your dreams ! The Turkish army, current and retired officers are major economic forces in the Turkish economy. The econmic effect of army expenditure, army contracting, army-founded economic enterprises are huge and the effect on economic activity as a result of army decision and interests in spatial/zonal planning is dramatic. It is for these reasons amongst others that the army should be subject to proper democratic control and accountabiity.

Do you doubt it wants and has the final word? So whatever the GCs agree with the TCs who can guarantee us Erdogan will agree, and who can guarantee us the Turkish army will finally consent?

The above being the case - which I broadly agree with you - how do you facilitate change ? You can stand at the side lines constantly griping at the abuses perpetrated by the Turkish army against Cyprus and Turks (there are millions of Turks who have suffered tragically at the hands of the army), or you can help work out ways by which the anti-democratic and hostile power of the army is curtailed and controlled.

As the cliche goes if you are not going to be part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

So do you really want us to believe there is any chance to find a settlement when the Turkish Army not only has the final word but also the first word behind the scenes in Cyprus?

I agree that controlling the army and further democratising government - and I don't just mean holding and respecting elections - is a seriously difficult and often dis-spiriting struggle. But unless you are going to resign and say 'no change ever' - the consequences of which extend to Cyprus - then you have got to join in solidarity with Turkish, Turkish Cypriot and other democratic forces to institute real and permanent change.