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[BelloTurco 2007]

İ sometimes wonder whether the current situation is so bad. After all nobody is being killed. People can come and go across the boader as they please. From what İ ve seen the standard of living is pretty much the same on both sides. However there are of course differences:
1. There are no topless beaches in the North. U sometimes see some titty but it is very rare. However in the South there's loads of titty. İ myself can't enjoy a day at the beach without seeing some good quality titty.
2. Casinos are legal in the North. And what fun it is for Greek Cypriots to slip across the boader for the weekend and blow thousands of dollars on roulette.
3. Better clubs in the south. No place in the North can compete with Ana Napa when it comes to mindless drinking and shamless one night stands - God damn İ need a good holiday!
4. Brothels in the North. Brothels in the north are legal. Need İ say more?

Now up tıll now İ ve been mindlessly ranting but if u bear with u ll see the point İ m gonna make. We have the most unique position in the world. We live in a country which is really two countries. Where the style of life is completely different. Everyone else on the planet has to hop on a plane or plan a holiday when they want to see a different culture. All we have to do is take a short drive.
So you see if you are a fat bored Greek Business man you can leave your wife at home and nip across the border and enjoy your evening in a casino or brothel or hell maybe even both. Likewise if you are a randy TC teenager looking to get mindless drunk and lose yr cherry you can try yr luck in Ayna Napa.

So is the glass half empty or half full?

[raiseurfist]

I would say brain half empty

[yiannisP]

Glass empty and reeks I'm afraid. Welcome by the way, BelloTurco 2007. Your views are very odd to me. You are mostly talking about the pleasures of the flesh and such things. Are those the most important things in your life?

I would say that the current situation is pretty bad for all concerned. Regardless of whether anyone is being killed I still yearn for justice to be done (my grandfather is still missing and my families home + land was taken) The current situation fails to deal with the illegal occupation/war crimes etc.

Another thing which I find odd is the continual insistence of Turkey (and others sharing her viewpoint) that the minorities should have equal decision making powers as the majority *notwithstanding democratic voting* The whole idea of democracy is that the majority gets its wishes fulfilled, bar the obvious no nos of oppression etc. So why does Turkey keep insisting that even if GCs are the majority and vote for something they are overruled by a minority? Imagine if Muslims in the UK could overrule English law and impose Shariah law despite being a minority. Would people stand for that?

[Chimera]

Hello YiannisP
I am sorry to hear that you too have suffered from Turkeys actions.
I think he is playing the Parody of a Turk, the perpetual thorn in the side, reminding us how happy they are with their ill-gotten gains.
The answers are not in this forum, although so many think they know the Cyprus problem.
I suppose being reminded of the scant regard some Turks have for the civilised world in this way- may stop us feeling guilty when we sometimes wish them off this planet.

[yiannisP]

I think he is playing the Parody of a Turk

Yeah, I thought it was something like that. I try to avoid stereotyping people as much as possible because this was used to divide us. The tragedy of this situation is that both GC and TCs were played against each other first by Britain and then by America.

I'm currently reading two excellent books on this horrible situation which I would recommend to everyone here. They really help to smash the 'GC/TC ethnic hatreds' propaganda which some people seem intent to succumb to.

1. Hostage to History: Cyprus from the Ottomans to Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens ISBN-10: 1859841899

2. The Cyprus Conspiracy: America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion by Brendan O'Malley & Ian Craig ISBN-10: 1860647375

[BelloTurco 2007]

Glass empty and reeks I'm afraid. Welcome by the way, BelloTurco 2007. Your views are very odd to me. You are mostly talking about the pleasures of the flesh and such things. Are those the most important things in your life?

I would say that the current situation is pretty bad for all concerned. Regardless of whether anyone is being killed I still yearn for justice to be done (my grandfather is still missing and my families home + land was taken) The current situation fails to deal with the illegal occupation/war crimes etc.

Another thing which I find odd is the continual insistence of Turkey (and others sharing her viewpoint) that the minorities should have equal decision making powers as the majority *notwithstanding democratic voting* The whole idea of democracy is that the majority gets its wishes fulfilled, bar the obvious no nos of oppression etc. So why does Turkey keep insisting that even if GCs are the majority and vote for something they are overruled by a minority? Imagine if Muslims in the UK could overrule English law and impose Shariah law despite being a minority. Would people stand for that?

When İ say İ am sorry for yr loses İ mean it from the bottom of my heart. İ do hope however that yr loses do not mean that u have hatred in yr heart for Turkish people. U c there was a war and people on both sides suffered loses and pain but if we keep looking at the past we can never look to the future.

[BelloTurco 2007]

Hello YiannisP
I am sorry to hear that you too have suffered from Turkeys actions.
I think he is playing the Parody of a Turk, the perpetual thorn in the side, reminding us how happy they are with their ill-gotten gains.
The answers are not in this forum, although so many think they know the Cyprus problem.
I suppose being reminded of the scant regard some Turks have for the civilised world in this way- may stop us feeling guilty when we sometimes wish them off this planet.

Chimera your racism and anti-Turkish feelinbgs almost jump off the screen. U have not suffered from Turkey s actions u have suffered through the actions of Cyprus' three guarantors Greece England Turkey and through the Greek Cypriot milita which was ethnically cleasing Turkish Cypriots. We have no ill-gotten gains that u mention just a whole population, a whole race of people that is nt recognised by the rest of the world.

[Chimera]

Bello Turco don't be so quick to label me racist because of any anti-Turkish feelings you may have detected to your anti-Cypriot rantings. As a geneticist I only see one race, the human race. There are a few criteria to fulfil before one can be classified as human though! First and foremost you have act humane.

You say I have not suffered from the actions of Turkey....... I do not call lying in a gutter at the age of 5 whilst Turkish planes flew overhead bombing and firing at me, fun and life-affirming. This was not in 1974, but their first attempt at destroying the island in the 60's.

Look up the definition of ethnic cleansing before you go branding it about. The persistant series of attacks on a small island of less than a million by a massive country of 80 million is more likely to fall into the category of what is termed ethnic cleansing.

You cannot have it both ways. Acting the victim on the one hand, whilst destroying with the other.

[yiannisP]

When İ say İ am sorry for yr loses İ mean it from the bottom of my heart. İ do hope however that yr loses do not mean that u have hatred in yr heart for Turkish people. U c there was a war and people on both sides suffered loses and pain but if we keep looking at the past we can never look to the future.

I do not have any hatred in my heart for any race of people. Perhaps this is because I was not even born in Cyprus and even then 9 years after the Turkish invasion. You see, I was born to a GC refugee in the UK and grew up hearing about the terrible things that happened (albeit from a personal perspective) I then decided to read as much as I could about the conflict of the time and realize that outside powers are at least as morally culpable for what happened as GCs + TCs. This is why it pains me to see TC and GCs engage in petty name calling with no facts.

I am well aware that both sides suffered losses and as such justice must be done. However, I cannot keep quiet about what I consider to be Turkey's horrific decision to ethnically cleanse Cyprus in the name of severe oppression of TCs. Don't get me wrong, I know that TCs were murdered too but ethnic cleansing?! At the same time I am able to express outrage that those EOKA guys were funded by the CIA. So you see, just because I express outrage at Turkey does not mean my eyes are shut. Perhaps this is because I was only indirectly affected by the 'Cyprus Problem' I don't know. What I do know is that the tactics that were used to divide Cyprus are in full use now in Iraq and I hurts me to see this kind of thing happening over and over throughout history with little justice.

[BelloTurco 2007]

When İ say İ am sorry for yr loses İ mean it from the bottom of my heart. İ do hope however that yr loses do not mean that u have hatred in yr heart for Turkish people. U c there was a war and people on both sides suffered loses and pain but if we keep looking at the past we can never look to the future.

I do not have any hatred in my heart for any race of people. Perhaps this is because I was not even born in Cyprus and even then 9 years after the Turkish invasion. You see, I was born to a GC refugee in the UK and grew up hearing about the terrible things that happened (albeit from a personal perspective) I then decided to read as much as I could about the conflict of the time and realize that outside powers are at least as morally culpable for what happened as GCs + TCs. This is why it pains me to see TC and GCs engage in petty name calling with no facts.

I am well aware that both sides suffered losses and as such justice must be done. However, I cannot keep quiet about what I consider to be Turkey's horrific decision to ethnically cleanse Cyprus in the name of severe oppression of TCs. Don't get me wrong, I know that TCs were murdered too but ethnic cleansing?! At the same time I am able to express outrage that those EOKA guys were funded by the CIA. So you see, just because I express outrage at Turkey does not mean my eyes are shut. Perhaps this is because I was only indirectly affected by the 'Cyprus Problem' I don't know. What I do know is that the tactics that were used to divide Cyprus are in full use now in Iraq and I hurts me to see this kind of thing happening over and over throughout history with little justice.

Yes it is sad that humans r so stupid that they can t learn from past mistakes. İ hope one day things will be better in the world but İ fear the worse. İ am not a religious man but in the Koran there are three propehcies before the end of the world arrives. 1. Women will be dressed but all their bodies will be revealed in such a manner as though they will appear naked. 2. Mne will become like women and women like men.
İ guess the first two r already here. The third is that the sun will stop rising from the east and will start rising from the west. Scientist believe now believe that global warming will cause the earth to orbit the sun in the oppositie direction and therefore cause the sun to rise from the west and no longer the east. Perhaps the only justice will be in the next life?