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[Chimera]

Zan, are you acknowledging the Greeks are leading by example , my, my.
There may be hope for you yet. As I've already said, we are just waiting for you to evolve into civilised beings.

[humanist]

protecting the land of the people of the trnc, he is a fool, he is protecting stolen land from Cypriot refugees, would someone care to remind him.

[zan]

Zan, are you acknowledging the Greeks are leading by example , my, my.
There may be hope for you yet. As I've already said, we are just waiting for you to evolve into civilised beings.

Of course I am...We can scam as good as you know and you don't like it

[bigOz]

Are the infamous Turkish army, renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years to MILLIONS of people, now going to change their tactics and become purveyors of peace?
I hope I live to see the day because I still suffer from the scars of their bombs and shells.

Stop talking nonsense man! "Turkish army renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years"???

So now we have another brain washed brain dead memeber on the forum. Here me out Kikapu and Birkibrisli - can you see now why it is so difficult to build trust with the likes of these?

THE TURKISH ARMY EXISTED JUST OVER 80 YEARS - WHAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ATROCITIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? If you call fighting and killing those who fire at them during the 1974 landings (after they made it abundantly clear they were there to fight off ENOSIS and re-establish the true RoC authority) "atrocities", then so be it! Worst atrocities happened in Germany when the Allied forces were bombarding and entering it! So, did Germans forget about the concentration camps and what the Nazi's did, and start that chapter of history from when the Allied forces started to invade Europe? Did they ask for the occupying American and British forces to withdraw from their military bases for the next 50 years?

The way TCs see it, EOKA members were the Nazis of Cyprus and the Turkish army were the liberators. When people go to war SHIT HAPPENS! Both sides have people with sharapnel and bullet wounds still suffering to this day but it seems not many have learnt their lesson. There are still accusations and counter accusations with frequent cries for armed struggle from a minority of shit-stirrers.

As others said in this thread and repeatedly expressed by me, the GCs should not expect the TCs to hate or dis-respect the Turkish army because they do not! They genuinely revere them and look up to them as their protectors. Swearing at the Turkish army or trying to demean them will not have much support from any TC in the North and neither will it help the peace process. So forget about your old wounds and let's see where we go from here! The Turkish army is ready to pull out the day an agreement that secures the safety of TCs is reached and signed by both parties...

[DT.]

Are the infamous Turkish army, renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years to MILLIONS of people, now going to change their tactics and become purveyors of peace?
I hope I live to see the day because I still suffer from the scars of their bombs and shells.

Stop talking nonsense man! "Turkish army renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years"???

So now we have another brain washed brain dead memeber on the forum. Here me out Kikapu and Birkibrisli - can you see now why it is so difficult to build trust with the likes of these?

THE TURKISH ARMY EXISTED JUST OVER 80 YEARS - WHAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ATROCITIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? If you call fighting and killing those who fire at them during the 1974 landings (after they made it abundantly clear they were there to fight off ENOSIS and re-establish the true RoC authority) "atrocities", then so be it! Worst atrocities happened in Germany when the Allied forces were bombarding and entering it! So, did Germans forget about the concentration camps and what the Nazi's did, and start that chapter of history from when the Allied forces started to invade Europe? Did they ask for the occupying American and British forces to withdraw from their military bases for the next 50 years?

The way TCs see it, EOKA members were the Nazis of Cyprus and the Turkish army were the liberators. When people go to war SHIT HAPPENS! Both sides have people with sharapnel and bullet wounds still suffering to this day but it seems not many have learnt their lesson. There are still accusations and counter accusations with frequent cries for armed struggle from a minority of shit-stirrers.

As others said in this thread and repeatedly expressed by me, the GCs should not expect the TCs to hate or dis-respect the Turkish army because they do not! They genuinely revere them and look up to them as their protectors. Swearing at the Turkish army or trying to demean them will not have much support from any TC in the North and neither will it help the peace process. So forget about your old wounds and let's see where we go from here! The Turkish army is ready to pull out the day an agreement that secures the safety of TCs is reached and signed by both parties...

Big Oz dig up the rest of this generals speech. He goes on to say that the Turkish army has now only liberated 50% of the island. The other 50% beckons.

And when the ALlied forces came to liberate EUrope from the Nazi's they didn't force out every Dutch, Belgian and French from their homes while doing so so that they could establish a UK or US inhabited land.

If EOkA leaders were the nazis what were the TMT leaders? How many did they kill?

ANd what changed their mind on re-establishing the ROC since that was their goal?

[Kikapu]

Are the infamous Turkish army, renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years to MILLIONS of people, now going to change their tactics and become purveyors of peace?
I hope I live to see the day because I still suffer from the scars of their bombs and shells.

Stop talking nonsense man! "Turkish army renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years"???

So now we have another brain washed brain dead memeber on the forum. Here me out Kikapu and Birkibrisli - can you see now why it is so difficult to build trust with the likes of these?

BigOz,

That's the problem, isn't it.? We take the words and actions of relatively few from both sides, and use that as a guideline or propaganda, as to why we can't live with such people. Just because Aoka-B and some Nationalist GC's wanted Enosis along with Greece in the 50's, 60's and the 70's, and each time at much reduce percentage by the GC citizens. In 74' the numbers that took part in the Enosis movement were much less than it ever was in the 50's and the 60's for example.

When some TC's on this Forum continually point the fingers to the GC's as being responsible of what happened in 74' that brought the Turkish Military to the island, is doing the same thing as what "Chimera" wrote. The point is, overwhelming numbers of TC's and GC's have suffered because of the results of relatively few people, be it be Aoka-B, TMT and number of Nationalist that caused the problems. So let's not pay attention to what the individuals say on the Forum and use it as a "benchmark", as to why we can't re-build Cyprus, because most of yesterdays wishes and desires are long gone for Enosis. It's not to say, pains of people should ever be forgotten who had suffered as the results of all these actions and events that took place in the last 50 years or so. They should however, be placed in the appropriate places in the islands past history to be remembered and not to be used to inflict more sufferings.

I too wait for the day, where the security of all Cypriots are guaranteed, so that we can get the island moving forward at 100% in to days world and environment. The longer we wait the longer it will take us to where we want to go for the future of Cyprus. It is time to sideline obstructionist and allow the visionaries to move forward for better future for us all.

As the same is in any country, one can never get rid off all their ultra nationalist, so we learn to tolerate them as much as possible and reduce their significance or importance, by having the other 99% percent of the country's citizens by standing together. This is the best offensive and defensive actions we can do against those who would want to "gate crash" the party, where they are not wanted.

[bigOz]

Are the infamous Turkish army, renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years to MILLIONS of people, now going to change their tactics and become purveyors of peace?
I hope I live to see the day because I still suffer from the scars of their bombs and shells.

Stop talking nonsense man! "Turkish army renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years"???

So now we have another brain washed brain dead member on the forum. Here me out Kikapu and Birkibrisli - can you see now why it is so difficult to build trust with the likes of these?

THE TURKISH ARMY EXISTED JUST OVER 80 YEARS - WHAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ATROCITIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? If you call fighting and killing those who fire at them during the 1974 landings (after they made it abundantly clear they were there to fight off ENOSIS and re-establish the true RoC authority) "atrocities", then so be it! Worst atrocities happened in Germany when the Allied forces were bombarding and entering it! So, did Germans forget about the concentration camps and what the Nazi's did, and start that chapter of history from when the Allied forces started to invade Europe? Did they ask for the occupying American and British forces to withdraw from their military bases for the next 50 years?

The way TCs see it, EOKA members were the Nazis of Cyprus and the Turkish army were the liberators. When people go to war SHIT HAPPENS! Both sides have people with shrapnel and bullet wounds still suffering to this day but it seems not many have learnt their lesson. There are still accusations and counter accusations with frequent cries for armed struggle from a minority of shit-stirrers.

As others said in this thread and repeatedly expressed by me, the GCs should not expect the TCs to hate or dis-respect the Turkish army because they do not! They genuinely revere them and look up to them as their protectors. Swearing at the Turkish army or trying to demean them will not have much support from any TC in the North and neither will it help the peace process. So forget about your old wounds and let's see where we go from here! The Turkish army is ready to pull out the day an agreement that secures the safety of TCs is reached and signed by both parties...

Big Oz dig up the rest of this generals speech. He goes on to say that the Turkish army has now only liberated 50% of the island. The other 50% beckons.

And when the ALlied forces came to liberate EUrope from the Nazi's they didn't force out every Dutch, Belgian and French from their homes while doing so so that they could establish a UK or US inhabited land.

If EOkA leaders were the nazis what were the TMT leaders? How many did they kill?

And what changed their mind on re-establishing the ROC since that was their goal?

The only analogy I can draw from the outcome is that Germany was also divided into two separate states by the invading forces, until not so long ago - and now it is one nation! German people were also pushed out of their homes and many moved to other areas to live because their homes were no more due to total destruction of whole cities...

Throughout the existence of EOKA, TMT leaders were the organisers of local "mucahit" or resistance units in villages and towns, in anticipation of attacks. Their political views were (and are) made up of total loyalty to Tukiye and Turkiye's interests in the area - a value naturally generated by their dependence on Turkiye for support. Pre 1974, their existence served nothing more than protection of the Turkish enclaves.

If we are talking about the existence of the old supporters of TMT, of course they do! But they are nowhere near a well organized political force or entity in the North, with a handful of remaining survivors. Why the subject of TMT attracts so much attention and is made a topic by many is beyond my understanding! It was never intended to be an attacking force or a terrorist organisation - but a defensive one. Some TMT members may have carried out killings (mostly of TCs) but one cannot liken it to or compare it with the magnitude of atrocities and murders carried out by EOKA-B (against TCs in general).

What some old TMT supporters want for TRNC is no different (if not less) than what many more GC fanatics want in the South. But isn't that what democracy is all about? Are any fanatics banned in this forum? Isn't that why we need two separate federal states for at least a decade or more where the young can be educated with different beliefs and views?

DT my friend, the way I see it, the danger is not from the remains of few old TMT or EOKA-B members existence - BUT the existence of a society that would tolerate implementation of hatred and fanatic views using such labels and members as sources. For TRNC 99.9% of the young have no allegiance with TMT or much interest in their political motives - probably because there is no Church to encourage them to do so. Can you say the same about the youth in the South? Only in this forum I can already see 3-4 young participants who express the same dangerous hate messages and even praise EOKA, reflecting the existence of a new generation, possessing corrupt fanatic views.

When I answer things, I do so within a much wider context and not evaluate them as an isolated insult aimed at Turks, Turkish army or TMT. I look at the messenger, the purpose of the message and what it entails. That is why some of the time I respond quite differently to some people than I do to others.

Please rest assured you do not need to convince me that not all TCs or Turks are angels, or that we did nothing to hurt the GCs in the past. It is the content of an individual post that provokes me to respond in a specific way...

[DT.]

Are the infamous Turkish army, renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years to MILLIONS of people, now going to change their tactics and become purveyors of peace?
I hope I live to see the day because I still suffer from the scars of their bombs and shells.

Stop talking nonsense man! "Turkish army renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years"???

So now we have another brain washed brain dead member on the forum. Here me out Kikapu and Birkibrisli - can you see now why it is so difficult to build trust with the likes of these?

THE TURKISH ARMY EXISTED JUST OVER 80 YEARS - WHAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ATROCITIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? If you call fighting and killing those who fire at them during the 1974 landings (after they made it abundantly clear they were there to fight off ENOSIS and re-establish the true RoC authority) "atrocities", then so be it! Worst atrocities happened in Germany when the Allied forces were bombarding and entering it! So, did Germans forget about the concentration camps and what the Nazi's did, and start that chapter of history from when the Allied forces started to invade Europe? Did they ask for the occupying American and British forces to withdraw from their military bases for the next 50 years?

The way TCs see it, EOKA members were the Nazis of Cyprus and the Turkish army were the liberators. When people go to war SHIT HAPPENS! Both sides have people with shrapnel and bullet wounds still suffering to this day but it seems not many have learnt their lesson. There are still accusations and counter accusations with frequent cries for armed struggle from a minority of shit-stirrers.

As others said in this thread and repeatedly expressed by me, the GCs should not expect the TCs to hate or dis-respect the Turkish army because they do not! They genuinely revere them and look up to them as their protectors. Swearing at the Turkish army or trying to demean them will not have much support from any TC in the North and neither will it help the peace process. So forget about your old wounds and let's see where we go from here! The Turkish army is ready to pull out the day an agreement that secures the safety of TCs is reached and signed by both parties...

Big Oz dig up the rest of this generals speech. He goes on to say that the Turkish army has now only liberated 50% of the island. The other 50% beckons.

And when the ALlied forces came to liberate EUrope from the Nazi's they didn't force out every Dutch, Belgian and French from their homes while doing so so that they could establish a UK or US inhabited land.

If EOkA leaders were the nazis what were the TMT leaders? How many did they kill?

And what changed their mind on re-establishing the ROC since that was their goal?

The only analogy I can draw from the outcome is that Germany was also divided into two separate states by the invading forces, until not so long ago - and now it is one nation! German people were also pushed out of their homes and many moved to other areas to live because their homes were no more due to total destruction of whole cities...

Throughout the existence of EOKA, TMT leaders were the organisers of local "mucahit" or resistance units in villages and towns, in anticipation of attacks. Their political views were (and are) made up of total loyalty to Tukiye and Turkiye's interests in the area - a value naturally generated by their dependence on Turkiye for support. Pre 1974, their existence served nothing more than protection of the Turkish enclaves.

If we are talking about the existence of the old supporters of TMT, of course they do! But they are nowhere near a well organized political force or entity in the North, with a handful of remaining survivors. Why the subject of TMT attracts so much attention and is made a topic by many is beyond my understanding! It was never intended to be an attacking force or a terrorist organisation - but a defensive one. Some TMT members may have carried out killings (mostly of TCs) but one cannot liken it to or compare it with the magnitude of atrocities and murders carried out by EOKA-B (against TCs in general).

What some old TMT supporters want for TRNC is no different (if not less) than what many more GC fanatics want in the South. But isn't that what democracy is all about? Are any fanatics banned in this forum? Isn't that why we need two separate federal states for at least a decade or more where the young can be educated with different beliefs and views?

DT my friend, the way I see it, the danger is not from the remains of few old TMT or EOKA-B members existence - BUT the existence of a society that would tolerate implementation of hatred and fanatic views using such labels and members as sources. For TRNC 99.9% of the young have no allegiance with TMT or much interest in their political motives - probably because there is no Church to encourage them to do so. Can you say the same about the youth in the South? Only in this forum I can already see 3-4 young participants who express the same dangerous hate messages and even praise EOKA, reflecting the existence of a new generation, possessing corrupt fanatic views.

When I answer things, I do so within a much wider context and not evaluate them as an isolated insult aimed at Turks, Turkish army or TMT. I look at the messenger, the purpose of the message and what it entails. That is why some of the time I respond quite differently to some people than I do to others.

Please rest assured you do not need to convince me that not all TCs or Turks are angels, or that we did nothing to hurt the GCs in the past. It is the content of an individual post that provokes me to respond in a specific way...

When I answer things, I do so within a much wider context and not evaluate them as an isolated insult aimed at Turks, Turkish army or TMT. I look at the messenger, the purpose of the message and what it entails. That is why some of the time I respond quite differently to some people than I do to others

understood

BUT the existence of a society that would tolerate implementation of hatred and fanatic views using such labels and members as sources. For TRNC 99.9% of the young have no allegiance with TMT or much interest in their political motives - probably because there is no Church to encourage them to do so. Can you say the same about the youth in the South?

BigOz what you need to understand here is that if Taksim was the objective of TMT and Taksim is what you have now...there isn't much need for someone to follow TMT or even support it. Their objective has become a reality and as such instead of having a small community of fanatics who promote what this organisation promoted you now have an entire community with elected representatives living and breathing as well as promoting a separate state...Taksim. You now have what TMT and Denktash always dreamed of..a Turkified country in the north of cyprus with no Greek influence at all...albeit not recognised but that doesn't seem to worry anyone.

Over here you had a different objective. You had ENOSiS. Now this objective in the 60's had not been achieved which is when the entire GC population was behind it. EOKA-B in the 70's had very little backing hence the fierce battle the makarios troops put up against them (aided by the civilians) Its a well known fact over here that the troops that fought against makarios in the coup were poor peasants made mercenaries who were brainwashed. (BTW I don't really believe this but i have heard testimony from my grandpareants and parents that most of them were also doped up with somehting.)

This means that to a youth that is growing up (That has done nothing to you or any TC ) is constantly bombarded with Turkish flags, Turkish troops and the knowledge that their parents home and wealth has been taken from them. These kids that have done nothing to VP or Murataga and are growing up with a distorted view of the TC.

WHat i'm trying to say is that I wonder why we don't have a majority of GC youth becoming fanatics rather than a small minority. Your TC youth have nothing more to want, what would they be fanatical about? Wanting the rest of the island?

[bigOz]

Are the infamous Turkish army, renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years to MILLIONS of people, now going to change their tactics and become purveyors of peace?
I hope I live to see the day because I still suffer from the scars of their bombs and shells.

Stop talking nonsense man! "Turkish army renowned for their atrocities over hundreds of years"???

So now we have another brain washed brain dead member on the forum. Here me out Kikapu and Birkibrisli - can you see now why it is so difficult to build trust with the likes of these?

THE TURKISH ARMY EXISTED JUST OVER 80 YEARS - WHAT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ATROCITIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? If you call fighting and killing those who fire at them during the 1974 landings (after they made it abundantly clear they were there to fight off ENOSIS and re-establish the true RoC authority) "atrocities", then so be it! Worst atrocities happened in Germany when the Allied forces were bombarding and entering it! So, did Germans forget about the concentration camps and what the Nazi's did, and start that chapter of history from when the Allied forces started to invade Europe? Did they ask for the occupying American and British forces to withdraw from their military bases for the next 50 years?

The way TCs see it, EOKA members were the Nazis of Cyprus and the Turkish army were the liberators. When people go to war SHIT HAPPENS! Both sides have people with shrapnel and bullet wounds still suffering to this day but it seems not many have learnt their lesson. There are still accusations and counter accusations with frequent cries for armed struggle from a minority of shit-stirrers.

As others said in this thread and repeatedly expressed by me, the GCs should not expect the TCs to hate or dis-respect the Turkish army because they do not! They genuinely revere them and look up to them as their protectors. Swearing at the Turkish army or trying to demean them will not have much support from any TC in the North and neither will it help the peace process. So forget about your old wounds and let's see where we go from here! The Turkish army is ready to pull out the day an agreement that secures the safety of TCs is reached and signed by both parties...

Big Oz dig up the rest of this generals speech. He goes on to say that the Turkish army has now only liberated 50% of the island. The other 50% beckons.

And when the ALlied forces came to liberate EUrope from the Nazi's they didn't force out every Dutch, Belgian and French from their homes while doing so so that they could establish a UK or US inhabited land.

If EOkA leaders were the nazis what were the TMT leaders? How many did they kill?

And what changed their mind on re-establishing the ROC since that was their goal?

The only analogy I can draw from the outcome is that Germany was also divided into two separate states by the invading forces, until not so long ago - and now it is one nation! German people were also pushed out of their homes and many moved to other areas to live because their homes were no more due to total destruction of whole cities...

Throughout the existence of EOKA, TMT leaders were the organisers of local "mucahit" or resistance units in villages and towns, in anticipation of attacks. Their political views were (and are) made up of total loyalty to Tukiye and Turkiye's interests in the area - a value naturally generated by their dependence on Turkiye for support. Pre 1974, their existence served nothing more than protection of the Turkish enclaves.

If we are talking about the existence of the old supporters of TMT, of course they do! But they are nowhere near a well organized political force or entity in the North, with a handful of remaining survivors. Why the subject of TMT attracts so much attention and is made a topic by many is beyond my understanding! It was never intended to be an attacking force or a terrorist organisation - but a defensive one. Some TMT members may have carried out killings (mostly of TCs) but one cannot liken it to or compare it with the magnitude of atrocities and murders carried out by EOKA-B (against TCs in general).

What some old TMT supporters want for TRNC is no different (if not less) than what many more GC fanatics want in the South. But isn't that what democracy is all about? Are any fanatics banned in this forum? Isn't that why we need two separate federal states for at least a decade or more where the young can be educated with different beliefs and views?

DT my friend, the way I see it, the danger is not from the remains of few old TMT or EOKA-B members existence - BUT the existence of a society that would tolerate implementation of hatred and fanatic views using such labels and members as sources. For TRNC 99.9% of the young have no allegiance with TMT or much interest in their political motives - probably because there is no Church to encourage them to do so. Can you say the same about the youth in the South? Only in this forum I can already see 3-4 young participants who express the same dangerous hate messages and even praise EOKA, reflecting the existence of a new generation, possessing corrupt fanatic views.

When I answer things, I do so within a much wider context and not evaluate them as an isolated insult aimed at Turks, Turkish army or TMT. I look at the messenger, the purpose of the message and what it entails. That is why some of the time I respond quite differently to some people than I do to others.

Please rest assured you do not need to convince me that not all TCs or Turks are angels, or that we did nothing to hurt the GCs in the past. It is the content of an individual post that provokes me to respond in a specific way...

When I answer things, I do so within a much wider context and not evaluate them as an isolated insult aimed at Turks, Turkish army or TMT. I look at the messenger, the purpose of the message and what it entails. That is why some of the time I respond quite differently to some people than I do to others

understood

BUT the existence of a society that would tolerate implementation of hatred and fanatic views using such labels and members as sources. For TRNC 99.9% of the young have no allegiance with TMT or much interest in their political motives - probably because there is no Church to encourage them to do so. Can you say the same about the youth in the South?

BigOz what you need to understand here is that if Taksim was the objective of TMT and Taksim is what you have now...there isn't much need for someone to follow TMT or even support it. Their objective has become a reality and as such instead of having a small community of fanatics who promote what this organisation promoted you now have an entire community with elected representatives living and breathing as well as promoting a separate state...Taksim. You now have what TMT and Denktash always dreamed of..a Turkified country in the north of cyprus with no Greek influence at all...albeit not recognised but that doesn't seem to worry anyone.

Over here you had a different objective. You had ENOSiS. Now this objective in the 60's had not been achieved which is when the entire GC population was behind it. EOKA-B in the 70's had very little backing hence the fierce battle the makarios troops put up against them (aided by the civilians) Its a well known fact over here that the troops that fought against makarios in the coup were poor peasants made mercenaries who were brainwashed. (BTW I don't really believe this but i have heard testimony from my grandpareants and parents that most of them were also doped up with somehting.)

This means that to a youth that is growing up (That has done nothing to you or any TC ) is constantly bombarded with Turkish flags, Turkish troops and the knowledge that their parents home and wealth has been taken from them. These kids that have done nothing to VP or Murataga and are growing up with a distorted view of the TC.

WHat i'm trying to say is that I wonder why we don't have a majority of GC youth becoming fanatics rather than a small minority. Your TC youth have nothing more to want, what would they be fanatical about? Wanting the rest of the island?

Point taken DT - but in all fairness; there is no such thing as a DEMAND for "Taksim" by any TRNC politician or leader! Furthermore, there is no demand for "Taksim, even in the form of a supported ideology or following by the TCs (except maybe few odd TMT members fast becoming extinct).

Many TC youth are also well aware of their roots in South (since 60,000 Turks were also displaced - someone please correct me if the figure is wrong). Many long to go and see or taste the life in the towns or villages they originated from, including my old self! To hell with what was left behind by any GC in the North, I would give anything to spend couple of weeks in my village again and wake up to sounds of silence (except the odd crow making a distant noise) to the beautiful smell of home made bread and halloumi in an earth made house! I miss all the views, smells and tastes of my village and many more feel the same. That my friend, is priceless...

As for GC youth wanting more, I still do not understand what it is they don't have that they want more of? The rest of the island (as you put it)! Just in case anyone forgot, it is and has always been the TCs who did not have the same luxuries and financial security the South has been enjoying as the RoC. I am inclined to agree or at least believe that majority of GC youth might not have fanatical views - especially after having the chance to meet their compatriots in the North and realising they are not the "barbaric animals" they have been portrayed as all these years.

But I wonder if any research has been done to find out what the real statistics are. I think a large scale survey should be carried out in all the high schools and universities on both sides to get the true reaction of these young people. That would be a very good starting point - since without knowing how far the disease has spread, it would be very difficult to find a prescription! I wonder if anyone in Cyprus can push some buttons to this effect?

[DT.]

Sorry BigOz but isn't the promoting of the trnc the same as the promotion of taksim?

As for the survey you can immediately cancel out all left wing youth who would rather be dead than be seen with a Greek flag and who'd rather spend time with a TC youth than a GC right wing youth (they are about 30% of the entire youth pop). The breeding ground for fanticism from our side i'm afraid is from the extreme right wing kids. (funny that when you ask them what the extreme right supports they wouldn';t be able to tell you.)