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[halil]

i am not interested about armenians....... u are kidding. Tell me where is the armenian village , or where the settelers were living. İ am a cypriot i don,t know. R u sure u are nt just another Greek propagandist?Since 1963 borders in Nicosia did not change. As we all know the wall is established after 1963 incidence...... my be your places are at the buffer zone.That time Turkish troops were not there at all.

Really?? So the TCS didnt take over the Melikian Ouzounian schools in 63?? I believe those evil Greeks gave us new land plus a building for are new school after that period of time. I see how one can view Greek Cypriots as evil since they tend to be so philanthropic towards us Armenians. Yes them cleaning TC crap which you obviously dont see, or dont wish to see doent mean it didnt happen. Believe me I care about Turks less then you care about Armenians.

You Said : ask some of the older TCS about how they took the Armenian section of Nicosia.
U are talking about armenian section of the Nicosia.Tell us how big it was and how many people are lost their houses ? Why don't u talk about turkish cypriot houses in south nicosia that they left in 63. (TAHTAKALE ) u telling us that it was in 63.where was the turkish army that time.they came here in 1974.

[halil]

i am not interested about armenians....... u are kidding. Tell me where is the armenian village , or where the settelers were living. İ am a cypriot i don,t know. R u sure u are nt just another Greek propagandist?Since 1963 borders in Nicosia did not change. As we all know the wall is established after 1963 incidence...... my be your places are at the buffer zone.That time Turkish troops were not there at all.

Really?? So the TCS didnt take over the Melikian Ouzounian schools in 63?? I believe those evil Greeks gave us new land plus a building for are new school after that period of time. I see how one can view Greek Cypriots as evil since they tend to be so philanthropic towards us Armenians. Yes them cleaning TC crap which you obviously dont see, or dont wish to see doent mean it didnt happen. Believe me I care about Turks less then you care about Armenians.

You Said : ask some of the older TCS about how they took the Armenian section of Nicosia.
U are talking about armenian section of the Nicosia.Tell us how big it was and how many people are lost their houses ? Why don't u talk about turkish cypriot houses in south nicosia that they left in 63. (TAHTAKALE ) u telling us that it was in 63.where was the turkish army that time.they came here in 1974.

After i posted above writing i did search in the internet.i got this article for u. if i hurt u i am sorry.....


After 1915 in which Armenians start coming to the island mostly, there almost occurs no problem between Turks and Armenians. Turkish Cypriots and Armenians have had no name solidarity against Greek Cypriots on the island, showing good examples of good friendship, brotherhood, peace, and harmony. The total population of the Armenian society in Cyprus throughout the history has varied between 150-3.000. The only exception of the population increasing up to 8.000 is after the foundation of Legion D’Orient in Cyprus again in 1916. Because most of these Armenian families have gone abroad later, the population comes down to the average level of 3.000 or so.

During the violation caused by EOKA attacks after 21st December 1963, the protection of Armenian property left in Turkish sector is given granted by Cyprus Turkish Forces Regiment as well as Turkish Cypriots. Some 2.000 Armenians have been living completely in Greek Cypriot sector of the island trying to exist their ethnical identity. Both Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Turkey always show good will for the Armenians. The last example of such good will is that the old Armenian property left in Turkish sector after 20th July peace Operation, and Melikian Ouzounian primary school as well as Sourp Asdvadzadzin Church will be delivered to the Armenian authorities after the restoration.

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007 ... turko.html

pls read all of it from the above link.

[iceman]

Halil
The Armenian sector of Nicosia was near the Paphos Gate...part of it is in the buffer zone now and part of it is where we call Arabahmet..The houses on the old city wall opposite the Ledra Palace Hotel and Cetinkaya football club were Armenian houses...All these houses are under protection of the Eski Eserler Dairesi (antiquities departmnent) and are being renovated with the help of UN and Lefkosa Municipality..
The Armanians were forced to sell these houses and move to the Greek sector of Nicosia after 1963 troubles..

[halil]

Halil
The Armenian sector of Nicosia was near the Paphos Gate...part of it is in the buffer zone now and part of it is where we call Arabahmet..The houses on the old city wall opposite the Ledra Palace Hotel and Cetinkaya football club were Armenian houses...All these houses are under protection of the Eski Eserler Dairesi (antiquities departmnent) and are being renovated with the help of UN and Lefkosa Municipality..
The Armanians were forced to sell these houses and move to the Greek sector of Nicosia after 1963 troubles..

İceman, from who they were forced to sell those houses.give more details.
Also give more details how the troubles are started in the Nicosia.
İ know those places where are they.but i didn,t know that they were armenian houses as i said before because of the troubles in 63 we could not move away from our villages. i came to nicasia at 1970. no one told me about it. i hope more people will talk and we can learn a lot. i was against the armenian cypriot friend that he was saying that turkish army occupiying our houses as we know that in 63-64 it was not like that we have tell the truth.
do u have any thing about tahtakale problems pls write down i don,t know much about .

[kafenes]

Halil, my grandfather had a shop and house in that part of Nicosia and had to leave it and move to London. He did sell his other house to a TC doctor. I have the deeds to the shop and house and also 4 building plots at Omorphita. A lot of Armenians also had to move out of the Neapoli as well.
Even though my grandparents were forced to leave their home TWICE in there lifetime by Turks, they still had TC friends in London.

[denizaksulu]

Dear Halil,
It is unfortunate for you that you were unaware of Armenian difficulties in the years after 1963. For one reasons or another - which I dont want to go into - they were not welcomed to live among the Turkish population anymore. I refer you to the PM I sent you previously. Ofcourse you were correct in saying that their exclusion from the Turkish areas was prior to the Turkish Army intervention of 1974. Until then us TC's had got on very well with our Armenian neighbours in Koshklu Chiftlik, Neapolis and the Paphos Gate areas. Us Lyce students even met with Armenian girls in the American Library. (the only girls we were allowed o talk to - outside our families).
They never hated us, on the contrary.
Regards
Deniz

[Kypriotiki]

i am not interested about armenians....... u are kidding. Tell me where is the armenian village , or where the settelers were living. İ am a cypriot i don,t know. R u sure u are nt just another Greek propagandist?Since 1963 borders in Nicosia did not change. As we all know the wall is established after 1963 incidence...... my be your places are at the buffer zone.That time Turkish troops were not there at all.

Really?? So the TCS didnt take over the Melikian Ouzounian schools in 63?? I believe those evil Greeks gave us new land plus a building for are new school after that period of time. I see how one can view Greek Cypriots as evil since they tend to be so philanthropic towards us Armenians. Yes them cleaning TC crap which you obviously dont see, or dont wish to see doent mean it didnt happen. Believe me I care about Turks less then you care about Armenians.

I love your posts Armenian Cypriot. We'll get along just fine!!!!

[Nikitas]

To DA and others on this topic of the Armenians,

The Armenians in 1963 and ALL other communities in 1974 were NOT allowed to stay within area controlled by Turkish Cypriots. There was no threat from these communities since they had not been involved in any ethnic clashes nor did they have "motherlands" with hostile intent against the Turkish side. One conclusion from this treatment of these minorities, in this case minorities to the Turkish Cypriots, was that there was a desire to create exclusively Turkish areas free of any "extraneous elements".

Similar treatment but less harsh was meted out to the Cypriot Gypsies, the Rom, who are Moslem but not Turkish. When the green line opened they came to the south.

In the end it all points to the idea that a democracy is judged by the way it treats its minorities. And it is a reason I keep proposing a Multi Regional Multi Communal solution for Cyprus. It elevates the principle proposed by the Turkish side that they are not a minority but an equal partner to general application which is the only way a principle can be respected. It either applies or it does not, it cannot be partly applied when it suits us.

[denizaksulu]

To DA and others on this topic of the Armenians,

The Armenians in 1963 and ALL other communities in 1974 were NOT allowed to stay within area controlled by Turkish Cypriots. There was no threat from these communities since they had not been involved in any ethnic clashes nor did they have "motherlands" with hostile intent against the Turkish side. One conclusion from this treatment of these minorities, in this case minorities to the Turkish Cypriots, was that there was a desire to create exclusively Turkish areas free of any "extraneous elements".

Similar treatment but less harsh was meted out to the Cypriot Gypsies, the Rom, who are Moslem but not Turkish. When the green line opened they came to the south.

In the end it all points to the idea that a democracy is judged by the way it treats its minorities. And it is a reason I keep proposing a Multi Regional Multi Communal solution for Cyprus. It elevates the principle proposed by the Turkish side that they are not a minority but an equal partner to general application which is the only way a principle can be respected. It either applies or it does not, it cannot be partly applied when it suits us.

You are correct and I do agree that the way the Armeniens were treated after 1963 by the TC comunity at large was wrong. Until then they were good neighbours and me and my familly who lived with them and side by side with them sorely miss them. Ofcourse this does not alter the facts. Regretably.
Regards
DA

[Nikitas]

BT

On which official building did you see the Greek flag? After an absence of 25 years I visited Cyprus twice and saw the Cyprus and EU flags only on official buildings. Saw plenty of Turkish flags along the Green line though. So what is the message here? I saw very few Greek flags this time and was surprised. Asked myself if we are growing more confident, more patriotic, or just more stupid? Which do you think applies?