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[pitsilos]

why who the hell are you? and the powers have set the pace alright...all i gotta say is just look around...the RoC of yesterday is long gone...unlike the occupied areas of yesterday...

[zan]

why who the hell are you? and the powers have set the pace alright...all i gotta say is just look around...the RoC of yesterday is long gone...unlike the occupied areas of yesterday...

On my own, I am no one, but with others like me, and there are many of us, plenty...

The aims of the "RoC' is still the same my friend. Nothing but domination over the Tcs will do. When I see a change in that then I will support it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Zan i see a tendency of all the Tc expats coming back to retire thinking they are helping their "state" economically. Fine. What will happen when those expats die, and there are no more to come back?
Who will provide the shots from there on?

[humanist]

pitsilos

i tend to agree with kikapu...the RoC is evolving daily while the occupied areas ara stagnating daily...playing catch up but the chasm, i am afraid, is getting wider...

either way you look at it you will lose...either from wiping out, a real genoside, or with less than from before...

your choise

Very right Pitsilos. the chasm is gettin wider and that is real concern. unfair also as ppl on both sides are waiting for something that'll never happen I guess. Yet ppl in the north cannot see that nothing has changed in the last 30 years and certainly not tha last three years, other than the fact that they come and work for the "Greeks" when infact they can be equals, the choice is theirs I guess.


The RoC can help a little more though I have to admit. Not enough is being done, but then again which nation in the world would help its enemy. And if we are viewed as the enemy we will behave as that.

[Viewpoint]

pitsilos

i tend to agree with kikapu...the RoC is evolving daily while the occupied areas ara stagnating daily...playing catch up but the chasm, i am afraid, is getting wider...

either way you look at it you will lose...either from wiping out, a real genoside, or with less than from before...

your choise

Very right Pitsilos. the chasm is gettin wider and that is real concern. unfair also as ppl on both sides are waiting for something that'll never happen I guess. Yet ppl in the north cannot see that nothing has changed in the last 30 years and certainly not tha last three years, other than the fact that they come and work for the "Greeks" when infact they can be equals, the choice is theirs I guess.


The RoC can help a little more though I have to admit. Not enough is being done, but then again which nation in the world would help its enemy. And if we are viewed as the enemy we will behave as that.

Then you are accepting that you will always be viewed as the enemy without demonstrating in clear terms without any hidden agendas that you are not and that you have nothing but good intentions towards the people you claim are part of the fabric of Cyprus.

The status quo is not purely the TCs fault the GCs have to face up to the fact that they have 90% of what they desire, their own recognized GC state, all that's missing is land and more wealth which appears to be the GCs ultimate priority a small price to pay for running your own country for your own GC community, why on earth would you want a solution..all you have to do is keep the GC refugees duped by telling them continuously they all one day go home, just keep praying.

[BirKibrisli]

pitsilos

i tend to agree with kikapu...the RoC is evolving daily while the occupied areas ara stagnating daily...playing catch up but the chasm, i am afraid, is getting wider...

either way you look at it you will lose...either from wiping out, a real genoside, or with less than from before...

your choise

Very right Pitsilos. the chasm is gettin wider and that is real concern. unfair also as ppl on both sides are waiting for something that'll never happen I guess. Yet ppl in the north cannot see that nothing has changed in the last 30 years and certainly not tha last three years, other than the fact that they come and work for the "Greeks" when infact they can be equals, the choice is theirs I guess.


The RoC can help a little more though I have to admit. Not enough is being done, but then again which nation in the world would help its enemy. And if we are viewed as the enemy we will behave as that.

Then you are accepting that you will always be viewed as the enemy without demonstrating in clear terms without any hidden agendas that you are not and that you have nothing but good intentions towards the people you claim are part of the fabric of Cyprus.

The status quo is not purely the TCs fault the GCs have to face up to the fact that they have 90% of what they desire, their own recognized GC state, all that's missing is land and more wealth which appears to be the GCs ultimate priority a small price to pay for running your own country for your own GC community, why on earth would you want a solution..all you have to do is keep the GC refugees duped by telling them continuously they all one day go home, just keep praying.

VP...Have you ever considered that you asking is impossible to demonstrate? Or that you will always demand more proof of goodwill and good intentions??/ I am getting the feeling that nomatter what you are offered as guarantees you and the TCs like you will never find the courage to trust the GCs ever again...So why don't you stop this pretending game and come out and say it..."We can never trust the GCs ever again,and nothing but Partition will do..." If you said that I would respect your views more...
I don't mean to imply that the GC government is doing all it can to allay your fears...But if they took some positive steps (say they removed all the Greek flags,stopped playing the Greek national anthem,made a universal declaration that Enosis is dead and buried and the TCs are as much a part of the Cypriot nation as the GCs, made Turkish truly the other official language) and invited you to abolish the Trnc and return to the Republic with full rights and guarantees as in 1960,would you do it?????

[zan]

pitsilos

i tend to agree with kikapu...the RoC is evolving daily while the occupied areas ara stagnating daily...playing catch up but the chasm, i am afraid, is getting wider...

either way you look at it you will lose...either from wiping out, a real genoside, or with less than from before...

your choise

Very right Pitsilos. the chasm is gettin wider and that is real concern. unfair also as ppl on both sides are waiting for something that'll never happen I guess. Yet ppl in the north cannot see that nothing has changed in the last 30 years and certainly not tha last three years, other than the fact that they come and work for the "Greeks" when infact they can be equals, the choice is theirs I guess.


The RoC can help a little more though I have to admit. Not enough is being done, but then again which nation in the world would help its enemy. And if we are viewed as the enemy we will behave as that.

Then you are accepting that you will always be viewed as the enemy without demonstrating in clear terms without any hidden agendas that you are not and that you have nothing but good intentions towards the people you claim are part of the fabric of Cyprus.

The status quo is not purely the TCs fault the GCs have to face up to the fact that they have 90% of what they desire, their own recognized GC state, all that's missing is land and more wealth which appears to be the GCs ultimate priority a small price to pay for running your own country for your own GC community, why on earth would you want a solution..all you have to do is keep the GC refugees duped by telling them continuously they all one day go home, just keep praying.

VP...Have you ever considered that you asking is impossible to demonstrate? Or that you will always demand more proof of goodwill and good intentions??/ I am getting the feeling that nomatter what you are offered as guarantees you and the TCs like you will never find the courage to trust the GCs ever again...So why don't you stop this pretending game and come out and say it..."We can never trust the GCs ever again,and nothing but Partition will do..." If you said that I would respect your views more...
I don't mean to imply that the GC government is doing all it can to allay your fears...But if they took some positive steps (say they removed all the Greek flags,stopped playing the Greek national anthem,made a universal declaration that Enosis is dead and buried and the TCs are as much a part of the Cypriot nation as the GCs, made Turkish truly the other official language) and invited you to abolish the Trnc and return to the Republic with full rights and guarantees as in 1960,would you do it?????

Isn't that what we have been saying all along. There have to be a few other factors thrown in but sure why not.....

[BirKibrisli]

pitsilos

i tend to agree with kikapu...the RoC is evolving daily while the occupied areas ara stagnating daily...playing catch up but the chasm, i am afraid, is getting wider...

either way you look at it you will lose...either from wiping out, a real genoside, or with less than from before...

your choise

Very right Pitsilos. the chasm is gettin wider and that is real concern. unfair also as ppl on both sides are waiting for something that'll never happen I guess. Yet ppl in the north cannot see that nothing has changed in the last 30 years and certainly not tha last three years, other than the fact that they come and work for the "Greeks" when infact they can be equals, the choice is theirs I guess.


The RoC can help a little more though I have to admit. Not enough is being done, but then again which nation in the world would help its enemy. And if we are viewed as the enemy we will behave as that.

Then you are accepting that you will always be viewed as the enemy without demonstrating in clear terms without any hidden agendas that you are not and that you have nothing but good intentions towards the people you claim are part of the fabric of Cyprus.

The status quo is not purely the TCs fault the GCs have to face up to the fact that they have 90% of what they desire, their own recognized GC state, all that's missing is land and more wealth which appears to be the GCs ultimate priority a small price to pay for running your own country for your own GC community, why on earth would you want a solution..all you have to do is keep the GC refugees duped by telling them continuously they all one day go home, just keep praying.

VP...Have you ever considered that you asking is impossible to demonstrate? Or that you will always demand more proof of goodwill and good intentions??/ I am getting the feeling that nomatter what you are offered as guarantees you and the TCs like you will never find the courage to trust the GCs ever again...So why don't you stop this pretending game and come out and say it..."We can never trust the GCs ever again,and nothing but Partition will do..." If you said that I would respect your views more...
I don't mean to imply that the GC government is doing all it can to allay your fears...But if they took some positive steps (say they removed all the Greek flags,stopped playing the Greek national anthem,made a universal declaration that Enosis is dead and buried and the TCs are as much a part of the Cypriot nation as the GCs, made Turkish truly the other official language) and invited you to abolish the Trnc and return to the Republic with full rights and guarantees as in 1960,would you do it?????

Isn't that what we have been saying all along. There have to be a few other factors thrown in but sure why not.....

I am glad you will come to this party,Zan...I guess we will have to wait now for VP's response before we bring out the champaigne...

[humanist]

VP said

Then you are accepting that you will always be viewed as the enemy without demonstrating in clear terms without any hidden agendas that you are not and that you have nothing but good intentions towards the people you claim are part of the fabric of Cyprus.

The status quo is not purely the TCs fault the GCs have to face up to the fact that they have 90% of what they desire, their own recognized GC state, all that's missing is land and more wealth which appears to be the GCs ultimate priority a small price to pay for running your own country for your own GC community, why on earth would you want a solution..all you have to do is keep the GC refugees duped by telling them continuously they all one day go home, just keep praying.

VP I am not accepting that we are the enemy, the Turkish Cypriots simply see us, as just that. They do not wish to live with us and that is okay too. My intention has always been and always be one, of an inclussive united Cyprus, for those who are proud to be Cypriot and want to join the struggle towards a new Cyprus and for all Cypriots. I do not and never have as an individual or ever will accept that there is more than an Island State of Cyprus. You can tell me in a million ways that this is not going to happen and that is okay that is your view as I have mine.

Unlike you and your community I belive in humanity and that humans of all persuations if they so want it can live together. There are however, minorities who for their own interests want to separate people, and therefore manipulate and control them. The RoC has not in the past three years since it EU memnbership tried to deny any TC their rights within the RoC. It has and will continue to object to recognition of any sort towards the occupied areas of Cyprus. That I support fully, personally and politically. You disagree? that is also okay with me. It is your view and you have every right to hold it.

My intentions for the people that I hold as part of the fabric of Cyprus is one that they share every right that I have in Cyprus and that they allow me to do the same.

Like I told you many times before but choose not to listen, is that the land is not that important to me, however the freedom and choice to do as I wish with that land is very importnat to me. Freedom cannot be bought or stolen. It exists and it gets realised.

We'll be praying for a freed Cyprus for as long as you pray for a trnc.

I don't mind'

[bigOz]

pitsilos

i tend to agree with kikapu...the RoC is evolving daily while the occupied areas ara stagnating daily...playing catch up but the chasm, i am afraid, is getting wider...

either way you look at it you will lose...either from wiping out, a real genoside, or with less than from before...

your choise

Very right Pitsilos. the chasm is gettin wider and that is real concern. unfair also as ppl on both sides are waiting for something that'll never happen I guess. Yet ppl in the north cannot see that nothing has changed in the last 30 years and certainly not tha last three years, other than the fact that they come and work for the "Greeks" when infact they can be equals, the choice is theirs I guess.


The RoC can help a little more though I have to admit. Not enough is being done, but then again which nation in the world would help its enemy. And if we are viewed as the enemy we will behave as that.

Then you are accepting that you will always be viewed as the enemy without demonstrating in clear terms without any hidden agendas that you are not and that you have nothing but good intentions towards the people you claim are part of the fabric of Cyprus.

The status quo is not purely the TCs fault the GCs have to face up to the fact that they have 90% of what they desire, their own recognized GC state, all that's missing is land and more wealth which appears to be the GCs ultimate priority a small price to pay for running your own country for your own GC community, why on earth would you want a solution..all you have to do is keep the GC refugees duped by telling them continuously they all one day go home, just keep praying.

VP...Have you ever considered that you asking is impossible to demonstrate? Or that you will always demand more proof of goodwill and good intentions??/ I am getting the feeling that nomatter what you are offered as guarantees you and the TCs like you will never find the courage to trust the GCs ever again...So why don't you stop this pretending game and come out and say it..."We can never trust the GCs ever again,and nothing but Partition will do..." If you said that I would respect your views more...
I don't mean to imply that the GC government is doing all it can to allay your fears...But if they took some positive steps (say they removed all the Greek flags,stopped playing the Greek national anthem,made a universal declaration that Enosis is dead and buried and the TCs are as much a part of the Cypriot nation as the GCs, made Turkish truly the other official language) and invited you to abolish the Trnc and return to the Republic with full rights and guarantees as in 1960,would you do it?????

Isn't that what we have been saying all along. There have to be a few other factors thrown in but sure why not.....

I am glad you will come to this party,Zan...I guess we will have to wait now for VP's response before we bring out the champaigne...

Unless I am terribly mistaken, from what I've been reading VP had never demanded the contrary! His way of narrating things come a little stronger in terms of a TC, but his arguments always provided room for a federal bi-zonal island for Cypriots. The only objectors to full rights and guarantees of 1960 are some GCs in this forum (and some-very strongly), so I would not rush to open any champagne bottles yet my friend!

Just to give you an example, go and check if the rights given to TCs in 1960 were in line with the rights of what is now addressed as "18% of the total population", and the views based solely on that argument in this forum!