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[zan]

Bir you have hit the nail right on the head...the "RoC" have to take concrete measures to bring the 2 communities together because at the moment all the TCs see and experience is Turkey paying for new roads, schools, infrastructure, government salaries etc and the GC leadership blocking flights, direct mail , trade and even friendly football matches. The negative impact of these GC policies are evident today. The current leadership in the south has proven that if re-elected it will do as much as they did in the last 5 years which is nothing. In order to kick start a solution bold measures are necessary from a GC leadership with vision and desire that can stimulate the TC side in action but obviously the desire is not evident as the GCs have 90% of what they wanti their only problem is the refugees and more wealth in the long run.

VP...As far as I am concerned Papadopoulos has been a disappointment.
He has failed to capitalise on Denktash's demise,and allowed Turkey to portray him as the new MR NO...He is no fool.So I can only imagine he knows exactly what he is doing. He is on record for saying he prefers the status quo to any forced agreement. That means he prefers Partition to any kind of solution which falls short of his expectations.Perhaps he is playing politics. Or perhaps he is really able to read the mood of his voters. I am disappointed because his "crush through or crush" tactics is only playing into the hands of Turkey and those on the North who are happy to milk the status quo dry. There is no doubt in my mind that he will crush rather than crush through.Eventually some other more pragmatic GC leader will sign an agreement that would be more damaging to all Cypriots,and certainly not be in the interests of the forces of reunification...Papadopoulos will go down in history as the President who presided over the final division of Cyprus. Denktash will go down in history as the man who planted the seeds of division back in the 50s ,and Talat will go down in history as the man who led the TCs to selfextermination... Hope all this is warming your heart VP...Because my heart is broken...

How would you have dealt witrh Makarios and reece at the time Bir???

[paaul12]

Are Greek Cypriots doing anything to help the peace process?

No

[DT.]

Are Greek Cypriots doing anything to help the peace process?

No

whereas you're working your butt off trying to reunite the island.

[growuptcs]

Paaul12, whats your bright idea that the GC's should do. Sign away their homes? Your implying that the little kid in school should just knock out the bully because hes right and the bully is wrong. Honestly stop ducking behind mommy to tackle your problems, and shouting on top of it.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir

I am afraid Papadopoulos is failing to take advantage of this situation,and move to implement some measures to make it easier for TCs to feel part of the Republic...The only way to prevent partition now is for enough TCs to move to the South and demand their political rights under the 1960 constitution,and put pressure on Talat and Turkey to come to the party...That won't happen as long as Papadopoulos is in power...Qai sera sera...

Yes Bir you are very right Papadopoulos is not taking advantage on this matter. Shame a diverse Cyprus would be such a benefit to future generations and current world also. What measure are you sugesting Bir would be interested to hear.

Oh you know I think TC's ought bloody well do move south, it would be so hilarious really to see the RoC cope. but what doesn't kill you strengthens you they say It would be awsome. I think it would be fantastic for the 1960's consitution to be demanded by TC's.

Sadly you are right, Papadopoulos for whatever reason is not going to make it happen.

The biggest argument the Partitionists have on the TC side is that the GCs do not want to share power with TCs. They only want to assimilate and make them extinct. So...I would begin by removing all symbols which irritate the TCs...Like the Greek flags and the Greek national anthem.
I would make Turkish truly the other official language in the Republic...I would make studying Turkish (and Greek of course) language compulsory in all primary schools.(Notwithstanding the diffculties of finding qualified teachers to teach Turkish -they can always find them in Turkey where there are many university graduates doing unskilled work,who would only love to be trained as Turkish language teachers). Establish a Multicultural Affairs Commission to oversee the resettlement of TCs in the South,providing information officers/interpreters/community liaison officers etc.Then declare to the world that the 1960 constitution would be fully implemented,and invite the TCs to come and resettle in the Republic and participate fully in the running of the state...Especially targetting the TCs in the diaspora who might be willing to return home under improved conditions.After an interim period hold general elections as specified in the constitution and elect TC reps and ministers and Vice President to fill all the empty position...Then watch the international reaction,and the pressure on Turkey to honour her responsibility under the guarantee powers,and withdraw all her troops minus 650 which is allowed under the 60 agreement...How long do you think it would be before Turkey tells Talat to dismantle his pariah state and offer him and other ardent partitionists political assylum in Turkey....???

It takes a special kind of race (like the Cypriots) to try everything else apart from the most obvious solution....

Cypriots must be the most stubborn race on the face of the earth,DT...

Cyprus Problem can be summed up in three words...The Long Sulk...

The TCs walked out of/pushed out of Government in 1964 and they are still sulking in their corner.And the GCs are sulking in theirs,refusing to invite the TCs back...And we are still counting the cost...

[BirKibrisli]

Bir you have hit the nail right on the head...the "RoC" have to take concrete measures to bring the 2 communities together because at the moment all the TCs see and experience is Turkey paying for new roads, schools, infrastructure, government salaries etc and the GC leadership blocking flights, direct mail , trade and even friendly football matches. The negative impact of these GC policies are evident today. The current leadership in the south has proven that if re-elected it will do as much as they did in the last 5 years which is nothing. In order to kick start a solution bold measures are necessary from a GC leadership with vision and desire that can stimulate the TC side in action but obviously the desire is not evident as the GCs have 90% of what they wanti their only problem is the refugees and more wealth in the long run.

VP...As far as I am concerned Papadopoulos has been a disappointment.
He has failed to capitalise on Denktash's demise,and allowed Turkey to portray him as the new MR NO...He is no fool.So I can only imagine he knows exactly what he is doing. He is on record for saying he prefers the status quo to any forced agreement. That means he prefers Partition to any kind of solution which falls short of his expectations.Perhaps he is playing politics. Or perhaps he is really able to read the mood of his voters. I am disappointed because his "crush through or crush" tactics is only playing into the hands of Turkey and those on the North who are happy to milk the status quo dry. There is no doubt in my mind that he will crush rather than crush through.Eventually some other more pragmatic GC leader will sign an agreement that would be more damaging to all Cypriots,and certainly not be in the interests of the forces of reunification...Papadopoulos will go down in history as the President who presided over the final division of Cyprus. Denktash will go down in history as the man who planted the seeds of division back in the 50s ,and Talat will go down in history as the man who led the TCs to selfextermination... Hope all this is warming your heart VP...Because my heart is broken...

How would you have dealt witrh Makarios and reece at the time Bir???

I would pour super glue on the TC chairs in the Cyprus government of 63,sit on them,and do not get up... Makarios's proposals were just that.Proposals. Some of them were quiet good for the smoother running of the state affairs...There was no reason for the TCs to walk out of government,and go and sulk in one corner. Unless of course that was what they wanted to do,and were just waiting for the right trigger.
Sure Makarios was trying to water down some of the generous concessions given to the TCs...But he couldn't change anything without the agreement of his VP...(Not viewpoint!!!!) I would've simply come back with my own proposals and keep arguing my points sensibly and logically...The Republic would've survived that small crises and gone on to bigger and better things...

[zan]

Bir you have hit the nail right on the head...the "RoC" have to take concrete measures to bring the 2 communities together because at the moment all the TCs see and experience is Turkey paying for new roads, schools, infrastructure, government salaries etc and the GC leadership blocking flights, direct mail , trade and even friendly football matches. The negative impact of these GC policies are evident today. The current leadership in the south has proven that if re-elected it will do as much as they did in the last 5 years which is nothing. In order to kick start a solution bold measures are necessary from a GC leadership with vision and desire that can stimulate the TC side in action but obviously the desire is not evident as the GCs have 90% of what they wanti their only problem is the refugees and more wealth in the long run.

VP...As far as I am concerned Papadopoulos has been a disappointment.
He has failed to capitalise on Denktash's demise,and allowed Turkey to portray him as the new MR NO...He is no fool.So I can only imagine he knows exactly what he is doing. He is on record for saying he prefers the status quo to any forced agreement. That means he prefers Partition to any kind of solution which falls short of his expectations.Perhaps he is playing politics. Or perhaps he is really able to read the mood of his voters. I am disappointed because his "crush through or crush" tactics is only playing into the hands of Turkey and those on the North who are happy to milk the status quo dry. There is no doubt in my mind that he will crush rather than crush through.Eventually some other more pragmatic GC leader will sign an agreement that would be more damaging to all Cypriots,and certainly not be in the interests of the forces of reunification...Papadopoulos will go down in history as the President who presided over the final division of Cyprus. Denktash will go down in history as the man who planted the seeds of division back in the 50s ,and Talat will go down in history as the man who led the TCs to selfextermination... Hope all this is warming your heart VP...Because my heart is broken...

How would you have dealt witrh Makarios and reece at the time Bir???

I would pour super glue on the TC chairs in the Cyprus government of 63,sit on them,and do not get up... Makarios's proposals were just that.Proposals. Some of them were quiet good for the smoother running of the state affairs...There was no reason for the TCs to walk out of government,and go and sulk in one corner. Unless of course that was what they wanted to do,and were just waiting for the right trigger.
Sure Makarios was trying to water down some of the generous concessions given to the TCs...But he couldn't change anything without the agreement of his VP...(Not viewpoint!!!!) I would've simply come back with my own proposals and keep arguing my points sensibly and logically...The Republic would've survived that small crises and gone on to bigger and better things...

Do you honestly think that would have been possible with the sound of gunfire and bombs outside. I can just see undernourished and dishevelled MPs coming out of the enclaves and travelling safely to work and begging for food and water for their people. Makarios' response would have been ??????????

[Chimera]

I am sure Makarios would have offerred you free bread and wine (at the very least) and given you his blessing too

[humanist]

Bir I do agree with your coment about a long sulk ........... doyou really believe though that if the RoC invited TC's to take up the positions that they would? I really believe that the trnc administration is just for show. Turkey has no intention of letting it go, its become the bargaining tool for EU membership. The weakness Talat has shown in the past years, illustrate nothing else but his pigeon position.

[zan]

Bir I do agree with your coment about a long sulk ........... doyou really believe though that if the RoC invited TC's to take up the positions that they would? I really believe that the trnc administration is just for show. Turkey has no intention of letting it go, its become the bargaining tool for EU membership. The weakness Talat has shown in the past years, illustrate nothing else but his pigeon position.

At least if we wanted we can use that as an excuse...What excuse have you got. Oh the one you just used...They wouldn't come anyway..Is that it?