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[humanist]

Bir

I remember that case,VP..But that was specifically about TC rights to vote at the elections in the South,was it not?And is it not the case that those seats allocated to TCs under the 60 Constitution in Parliament are still vacant???Including the Vice-Presidency???? So what is stopping Talat legally from claiming his position in the Republic???

His partionist ideology and lots and lots of fear of Turkey. I think it is eveident after a year of being on this forum that any leadr in the North would have to agree with Turkish ideology of enaxing northern Cyprus to Turkey.

Part of me almost wants it to happen so that people can see the brutality and oppression of Turks over Cypriots who speak Turkish.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir

I remember that case,VP..But that was specifically about TC rights to vote at the elections in the South,was it not?And is it not the case that those seats allocated to TCs under the 60 Constitution in Parliament are still vacant???Including the Vice-Presidency???? So what is stopping Talat legally from claiming his position in the Republic???

His partionist ideology and lots and lots of fear of Turkey. I think it is eveident after a year of being on this forum that any leadr in the North would have to agree with Turkish ideology of enaxing northern Cyprus to Turkey.

Part of me almost wants it to happen so that people can see the brutality and oppression of Turks over Cypriots who speak Turkish.

I am afraid you are right,dear humanist...
No TC leader can come to power,unless they can be trusted to tow the line from Ankara...The only reason TCs got rid of Denktash was because the AKP did not trust Denktash to tow the line funnyly enough. Erdogan is proving himself much more astute and cunning than I originally gave him credit for.With one swoop they shifted the title of MR NO from Denktash to Papadopoulos...And installed Talat who is not much different from Denktash...except the World sees him as much more eager than Denktash to find a solution...I am afraid Papadopoulos is failing to take advantage of this situation,and move to implement some measures to make it easier for TCs to feel part of the Republic...The only way to prevent partition now is for enough TCs to move to the South and demand their political rights under the 1960 constitution,and put pressure on Talat and Turkey to come to the party...That won't happen as long as Papadopoulos is in power...Qai sera sera...

[Viewpoint]

Bir you have hit the nail right on the head...the "RoC" have to take concrete measures to bring the 2 communities together because at the moment all the TCs see and experience is Turkey paying for new roads, schools, infrastructure, government salaries etc and the GC leadership blocking flights, direct mail , trade and even friendly football matches. The negative impact of these GC policies are evident today. The current leadership in the south has proven that if re-elected it will do as much as they did in the last 5 years which is nothing. In order to kick start a solution bold measures are necessary from a GC leadership with vision and desire that can stimulate the TC side in action but obviously the desire is not evident as the GCs have 90% of what they wanti their only problem is the refugees and more wealth in the long run.

[Chimera]

I had not realised there was so much desire by "Turks-born-on-Cyprus" to completely take over the whole island and call it their own until I joined this forum.

Have the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus" actually ONLY been USING Turkey to do their dirty work!

ie. Invade Cyprus, destroy the native Cypriots, then give them the WHOLE island on a plate.

It looks like a whole lotta "Turks-born-on-Cyprus" are now stabbing TURKEY in the back.

Realisation of this bombshell may now give us some insight towards the Peace Process.

[bigOz]

I had not realised there was so much desire by "Turks-born-on-Cyprus" to completely take over the whole island and call it their own until I joined this forum.

Have the "Turks-born-on-Cyprus" actually ONLY been USING Turkey to do their dirty work!

ie. Invade Cyprus, destroy the native Cypriots, then give them the WHOLE island on a plate.

It looks like a whole lotta "Turks-born-on-Cyprus" are now stabbing TURKEY in the back.

Realisation of this bombshell may now give us some insight towards the Peace Process.

Well, whatever they do, it is not any different than what the "Greeks born in Cyprus" did to use Greece and Grivas do their own dirty work by destroying Turkish villages and killing their inhabitants over many years!

Just in case you have not noticed yet (because you are new to the forum) - there is also a "whole lotta" of "Greeks born in Cyprus" who constantly stab Greece in the back when it comes to politics!

[humanist]

Bir

I am afraid Papadopoulos is failing to take advantage of this situation,and move to implement some measures to make it easier for TCs to feel part of the Republic...The only way to prevent partition now is for enough TCs to move to the South and demand their political rights under the 1960 constitution,and put pressure on Talat and Turkey to come to the party...That won't happen as long as Papadopoulos is in power...Qai sera sera...

Yes Bir you are very right Papadopoulos is not taking advantage on this matter. Shame a diverse Cyprus would be such a benefit to future generations and current world also. What measure are you sugesting Bir would be interested to hear.

Oh you know I think TC's ought bloody well do move south, it would be so hilarious really to see the RoC cope. but what doesn't kill you strengthens you they say It would be awsome. I think it would be fantastic for the 1960's consitution to be demanded by TC's.

Sadly you are right, Papadopoulos for whatever reason is not going to make it happen.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir you have hit the nail right on the head...the "RoC" have to take concrete measures to bring the 2 communities together because at the moment all the TCs see and experience is Turkey paying for new roads, schools, infrastructure, government salaries etc and the GC leadership blocking flights, direct mail , trade and even friendly football matches. The negative impact of these GC policies are evident today. The current leadership in the south has proven that if re-elected it will do as much as they did in the last 5 years which is nothing. In order to kick start a solution bold measures are necessary from a GC leadership with vision and desire that can stimulate the TC side in action but obviously the desire is not evident as the GCs have 90% of what they wanti their only problem is the refugees and more wealth in the long run.

VP...As far as I am concerned Papadopoulos has been a disappointment.
He has failed to capitalise on Denktash's demise,and allowed Turkey to portray him as the new MR NO...He is no fool.So I can only imagine he knows exactly what he is doing. He is on record for saying he prefers the status quo to any forced agreement. That means he prefers Partition to any kind of solution which falls short of his expectations.Perhaps he is playing politics. Or perhaps he is really able to read the mood of his voters. I am disappointed because his "crush through or crush" tactics is only playing into the hands of Turkey and those on the North who are happy to milk the status quo dry. There is no doubt in my mind that he will crush rather than crush through.Eventually some other more pragmatic GC leader will sign an agreement that would be more damaging to all Cypriots,and certainly not be in the interests of the forces of reunification...Papadopoulos will go down in history as the President who presided over the final division of Cyprus. Denktash will go down in history as the man who planted the seeds of division back in the 50s ,and Talat will go down in history as the man who led the TCs to selfextermination... Hope all this is warming your heart VP...Because my heart is broken...

[humanist]

I think you have captured it well Birkibrisli ....... very sad times for Cypriots, true caring Cypriots.


VP I believe that if you guys decide on whether to join the RoC as oppsed to partition then the RoC will put in the infrastructure. Or is this another cunning move from the North, They pay for aour free health, they managed to get us EU passports lets tantalise them a bit more with hope so they build our school and roads and then fuck them over.

Talat holds the key to all this. Only he can make the decision as to which hand feeds you. And with whose side you stand by for the benefit of your people. You are counting on Turkey's EU membership I think for a final decision. And you have the right to do so. But what if that membership doesn't happen for at least another 20 years. You could be EU citizens now. The choice is yours and your leaders.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir

I am afraid Papadopoulos is failing to take advantage of this situation,and move to implement some measures to make it easier for TCs to feel part of the Republic...The only way to prevent partition now is for enough TCs to move to the South and demand their political rights under the 1960 constitution,and put pressure on Talat and Turkey to come to the party...That won't happen as long as Papadopoulos is in power...Qai sera sera...

Yes Bir you are very right Papadopoulos is not taking advantage on this matter. Shame a diverse Cyprus would be such a benefit to future generations and current world also. What measure are you sugesting Bir would be interested to hear.

Oh you know I think TC's ought bloody well do move south, it would be so hilarious really to see the RoC cope. but what doesn't kill you strengthens you they say It would be awsome. I think it would be fantastic for the 1960's consitution to be demanded by TC's.

Sadly you are right, Papadopoulos for whatever reason is not going to make it happen.

The biggest argument the Partitionists have on the TC side is that the GCs do not want to share power with TCs. They only want to assimilate and make them extinct. So...I would begin by removing all symbols which irritate the TCs...Like the Greek flags and the Greek national anthem.
I would make Turkish truly the other official language in the Republic...I would make studying Turkish (and Greek of course) language compulsory in all primary schools.(Notwithstanding the diffculties of finding qualified teachers to teach Turkish -they can always find them in Turkey where there are many university graduates doing unskilled work,who would only love to be trained as Turkish language teachers). Establish a Multicultural Affairs Commission to oversee the resettlement of TCs in the South,providing information officers/interpreters/community liaison officers etc.Then declare to the world that the 1960 constitution would be fully implemented,and invite the TCs to come and resettle in the Republic and participate fully in the running of the state...Especially targetting the TCs in the diaspora who might be willing to return home under improved conditions.After an interim period hold general elections as specified in the constitution and elect TC reps and ministers and Vice President to fill all the empty position...Then watch the international reaction,and the pressure on Turkey to honour her responsibility under the guarantee powers,and withdraw all her troops minus 650 which is allowed under the 60 agreement...How long do you think it would be before Turkey tells Talat to dismantle his pariah state and offer him and other ardent partitionists political assylum in Turkey....???

[DT.]

Bir

I am afraid Papadopoulos is failing to take advantage of this situation,and move to implement some measures to make it easier for TCs to feel part of the Republic...The only way to prevent partition now is for enough TCs to move to the South and demand their political rights under the 1960 constitution,and put pressure on Talat and Turkey to come to the party...That won't happen as long as Papadopoulos is in power...Qai sera sera...

Yes Bir you are very right Papadopoulos is not taking advantage on this matter. Shame a diverse Cyprus would be such a benefit to future generations and current world also. What measure are you sugesting Bir would be interested to hear.

Oh you know I think TC's ought bloody well do move south, it would be so hilarious really to see the RoC cope. but what doesn't kill you strengthens you they say It would be awsome. I think it would be fantastic for the 1960's consitution to be demanded by TC's.

Sadly you are right, Papadopoulos for whatever reason is not going to make it happen.

The biggest argument the Partitionists have on the TC side is that the GCs do not want to share power with TCs. They only want to assimilate and make them extinct. So...I would begin by removing all symbols which irritate the TCs...Like the Greek flags and the Greek national anthem.
I would make Turkish truly the other official language in the Republic...I would make studying Turkish (and Greek of course) language compulsory in all primary schools.(Notwithstanding the diffculties of finding qualified teachers to teach Turkish -they can always find them in Turkey where there are many university graduates doing unskilled work,who would only love to be trained as Turkish language teachers). Establish a Multicultural Affairs Commission to oversee the resettlement of TCs in the South,providing information officers/interpreters/community liaison officers etc.Then declare to the world that the 1960 constitution would be fully implemented,and invite the TCs to come and resettle in the Republic and participate fully in the running of the state...Especially targetting the TCs in the diaspora who might be willing to return home under improved conditions.After an interim period hold general elections as specified in the constitution and elect TC reps and ministers and Vice President to fill all the empty position...Then watch the international reaction,and the pressure on Turkey to honour her responsibility under the guarantee powers,and withdraw all her troops minus 650 which is allowed under the 60 agreement...How long do you think it would be before Turkey tells Talat to dismantle his pariah state and offer him and other ardent partitionists political assylum in Turkey....???

It takes a special kind of race (like the Cypriots) to try everything else apart from the most obvious solution....