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[halil]

You have killed 10s of thousands of GCs, with 6000 of them as recently as 1974.

Proove it.

he is talking about 15 july 1974 that they killed eachother.

[BelloTurco 2007]

You have killed 10s of thousands of GCs, with 6000 of them as recently as 1974. So don't pretend to be the victim because you had some 100s of casualties at some point.

What you decide is always crimes and illegalities. If you are comfortable with continuing with crimes and illegalities then rot in your pseudo state until we will liberate our country.

Here, a few verses from your own BelloTurko to remind you who you are and how you came here

İ am Bello Turco and İ am proud.
İ come from the steps of Outer Mongolia with
slanted eye and curved sword.

İ fight for thousands of years and slaughter and butcher.
...

You quote from my poem out of context. This makes u a coward. Yes Turks come from a savage background but a few lines down and the poem tells how Turks evolved and civilised, but u somehow managed not to quote that part. Today Turks r completelt different than the Turks of thousands of years ago. We have moved on but u it seems haven't. U might also notice that we no longer have slanted eyes.

[zan]

You have killed 10s of thousands of GCs, with 6000 of them as recently as 1974.

Proove it.

he is talking about 15 july 1974 that they killed eachother.

We did not want Piratis to go into hidin g that quickly Halil

[Viewpoint]

You have killed 10s of thousands of GCs, with 6000 of them as recently as 1974.

Proove it.

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the USA Library of Congress (your friends)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

Cyprus was facing a crisis on all fronts; for the first time the conservative pastoral society with its mostly rural population was forced to legalise abortion to cope with the sheer numbers of cases of rape against Cypriot women by the invading army. Amid the debris caused by extensive bombing, the human cost was phenomenally high;6,000 were killed, one third of all Cypriots lived dependent as refugees ...

From a recent article by your own Alkan Chaglar.
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=33767

So stop trying to exaggerate your own suffering and diminish ours in order to excuse yet more crimes and illegalities against us, just like you have done since the time you set your foot on this island.

Once you have got all that other shit off your chest and payed your respects to your ancestors how about proving that all the 6000 were killed by Turks....PROVE IT!!!

Well said zan the 6000 figure is also ficticious. They killed 2500 of their own people and they blame us for that as well. Take the rest and turn into % of population at the time and you will get a true perspective of who killed who. But I have always argued against Piratis idea that the more you killed the more guilty you are, total rubbish.

[Piratis]

They butchered us by the 10000s and then they tell us that we killed each other. They also say that their invasion was a "peace operation", that there was no Armenian genocide, that the Kurds are not oppressed etc etc.

Anyways, what are we discussing? Rot in your pseudo with your insistence on illegalities and crimes, and we will talk again when we will be liberating our country.

[Viewpoint]

I think you got it right Kikapu.

The most fair and best solution for everybody in the long run would be one united, democratic Cyprus, with equal Cypriot citizens and no kinds of racist discrimination.

Thats why we ask for safeguards to build trust, understanding and cooperation but of course you reject all these as it does not serve your purpose of creating a GC state where we TCs are a minority.

If however TCs insist that they want to be separate on their own, then they should at least stop being greedy and propose to us a kind of partition that will be acceptable by us. They should realize that the north part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5 times more GCs than TCs and that northern Cyprus is part of Republic of Cyprus, and therefore they have absolutely no right for partition, and they can achieve it only if we agree to it. An 82%-18%, given the insistence of the majority of TCs on partition, would be acceptable by the majority of GCs.

If only you could provide one example where the distribution of land was based on the population %. (you know my views on the split)

Then TCs would have to work by themselves and show what they can achieve, instead of the easy money of selling GC properties, the benefits of EU membership (that we, and not them, had to make sacrifices for), and the taxes that GCs pay

.

Who said we would want to go into the EU? that would be our business and nothing to do with Gcs.

It is time that TCs should realize that a "solution" where they get all the benefits of partition and all the benefits of unification at the same time is simply not possible. It will either be a true unification that will create in Cyprus a normal country like all the other in EU , or it will be partition, and for that to happen they will have to convince us by proposing something that we can accept (= 18%-82%)

27% to 73% split with the return of some GCs to the north.

If we ever agree on an 18%-82% partition then without threats, blackmails and illegalities, we can discuss if we want to have federation, or if TCs can enter EU etc.

After split its over finished you go your way we go ours. No looking back.

[Viewpoint]

:roll: They butchered us by the 10000s and then they tell us that we killed each other. They also say that their invasion was a "peace operation", that there was no Armenian genocide, that the Kurds are not oppressed etc etc.

Anyways, what are we discussing? Rot in your pseudo with your insistence on illegalities and crimes, and we will talk again when we will be liberating our country.

You really have a numbers fetish did we will 10.000 now? was this in 1974? or 1571? make up your mind. Imm referring to 1974 when you killed 2500 of your own people.

[Piratis]

Thats why we ask for safeguards to build trust, understanding and cooperation but of course you reject all these as it does not serve your purpose of creating a GC state where we TCs are a minority.

To steal our land you mean. You could have everything that you say in 18% of land, but what you want is our land, so cut the lame excuses.

If only you could provide one example where the distribution of land was based on the population %. (you know my views on the split)

If we go by examples, then you can not have a separate state at all. Can you give me an example since the UN and international law were created, that a country was formed by means of invasion and ethnic cleansing? So we would be making you a huge favor to accept that you can have 18% of our country since you have absolutely no right for it.

Who said we would want to go into the EU? that would be our business and nothing to do with Gcs.

Actually I don't care about what you do, as long as you don't violate any of my rights and you don't keep any of our land.

27% to 73% split with the return of some GCs to the north.

No, 18%-82%. If you don't want to allow any GCs to live there don't.

After split its over finished you go your way we go ours. No looking back.

No problem, as long as it is 18%-82%, which is the only way a split can be made. If you start talking about 27%-73% and whatever, then I can just start talking about 9% for you and 91% for us. There is really no point.

[Piratis]

:roll: They butchered us by the 10000s and then they tell us that we killed each other. They also say that their invasion was a "peace operation", that there was no Armenian genocide, that the Kurds are not oppressed etc etc.

Anyways, what are we discussing? Rot in your pseudo with your insistence on illegalities and crimes, and we will talk again when we will be liberating our country.

You really have a numbers fetish did we will 10.000 now? was this in 1974? or 1571? make up your mind. Imm referring to 1974 when you killed 2500 of your own people.

TMT killed many of your own people as well. So what?

I was talking about the suffering that the Turks caused to us which started in 1571 (and even earlier with their raids) and continues until today. The Turks have clearly been the aggressors in Cyprus, and by exaggerating your own suffering and diminishing ours this will not give you the right to commit more crimes against us.

To say it another way: The past can not be used as an excuse for crimes today. But even if it could, even then it could not excuse your crimes of today since even in the past you were the ones who committed the most crimes.

[halil]

:roll: They butchered us by the 10000s and then they tell us that we killed each other. They also say that their invasion was a "peace operation", that there was no Armenian genocide, that the Kurds are not oppressed etc etc.

Anyways, what are we discussing? Rot in your pseudo with your insistence on illegalities and crimes, and we will talk again when we will be liberating our country.

u keep reapting same things all the time.this internet will finished your prop*aganda machine. it will take little bit time that world will find out your false information.we are in 2007.