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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby karma » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:09 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:
karma wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:...Lets Make Love Not War...That will make a much better world for our children. :wink: :(


If nothing else, at least we'll have more children. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Kikapu and BK , are we back to 70ies??

I was only 1 ... but I still remember those flower people..dont u worry guys , it has been almost 40 years but cactus is a flower too :lol:



[/youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ailMaddN4Vo[youtube][/youtube]



Bite your tongue, karmacigim...or i might have to bite it for you... :lol: :lol:


Get lost, before u receive ur bad Karma :evil:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:19 pm

karma wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:
karma wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:...Lets Make Love Not War...That will make a much better world for our children. :wink: :(


If nothing else, at least we'll have more children. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Kikapu and BK , are we back to 70ies??

I was only 1 ... but I still remember those flower people..dont u worry guys , it has been almost 40 years but cactus is a flower too :lol:



[/youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ailMaddN4Vo[youtube][/youtube]



Bite your tongue, karmacigim...or i might have to bite it for you... :lol: :lol:


Get lost, before u receive ur bad Karma :evil:


No no no..anything but my bad karma...have mercy.. :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:07 pm

Bananiot wrote:This kind of talk, apart from being amusing, reflects the past which was so detrimental for our peoples. The posters that shout about the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots in 1974 most probably watched passively the unfolding events between 1963 and 1974, when the Turkish Cypriots were forced into enclaves and the government was hijacked by the Greek Cypriots who had a hidden agenda and could not therefore stomach the 1960 agreements that made the two communities equal partners of our island.

I too wish it were possible to go back to the 1960 agreements but these things do not happen in the real world. Our only hope is a solution based on bizonal bicommunal federation to which both communities can agree and put the past behind them. By throwing accusations at each other so liberally and hatefully, if I may so so, we are just destroying any chances that may still exist for a peacefull solution.

This has been my philosophy all these years in the fora and life in general and I have grown to realise that peoples hearts soften and mellow when sympathy, understanding and good will are genuinely displayed. I stress the genuine part, because people have a magic instinct to recognise the pretender, the fake. These are crucial preconditions if we are to live together again in one country.

I do not expect everybody to behave like this. I am pragmatic enough to realise that bigots will always exist. The question is, can the sincere and patriotic Cypriots carry the day and stop bowing to the populist cries of the fanatics?

I accept that the Turkish Cypriots made their stance in 2003 when they got rid of Denktash. It was a great feat, because Denktash was like Makarios was to the Greek Cypriots. My community might get another chance in February 2008. Come February, a great battle will take place between the rejectionists and the moderates. The future of Cyprus will probably depend on the outcome of this election.

For the first time in the last four and a half yera I am confident that something good may emerge in February. I ask the peace loving Turkish Cypriot compatriots and brothers to stay with us. We can make it happen together!


Bananiot, the Annan plan was a proof that TCs will not accept a FAIR solution to the Cyprus problem.

So if they want to steal our land and violate our rights and be our enemies, then we will treat them as enemies. And be sure they lose from this as well.

If we followed your policies we would be even more losers than we are today, while the TCs would have huge gains on our loss.

No, if we are going to lose, they are going to lose as well. If the can not accept a fair solution, then we should at least have a "fair problem" that affects everybody.

If you want to capitulate go on. Fanos Drousiotis showed you the way. But you have absolutely no right to demand from us to became second rate EU citizens and live in an undemocratic, unstable country and sign away our lands, simply because thats all the Turks will accept.

Come February, a great battle will take place between the rejectionists and the moderates.

The ones that rejected the undemocratic and racist Annan plan are the moderates. This is why everybody in this election is trying to present himself as a moderate and rejects the Annan plan. Only Themistocleous is openly an extremist, and for this reason the polls show him with less than 1%.

Will you vote for Themistocleous Bananiot, or you realize that those that openly support the Annan plan and the violations of our rights have absolutely no chance?
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:35 pm

Bananiot wrote:This kind of talk, apart from being amusing, reflects the past which was so detrimental for our peoples...

I think we have mentioned MANY times how there are plenty of Cypriots with good intentions for their compatriots and Cyprus in general, but at the end of the day it’s the RoC (our government) that has to confront our malicious neighbor Turkey, the dubious Greece, the spiteful British, the warmongering US, and every other evil out there having anti-Cypriot intentions.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to claim to love Cyprus and at the same time ignore or undermine these very real external threats and pretend that it’s just a matter of an internal “kiss and make up” between Cypriot communities.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:31 pm

I also think that I have mentioned many times that I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories that picture the whole world working to destroy little wee Cyprus. If it was so, we wouldn't be talking right now, unless you think that we have so far resisted their treachery because of our bravery or political artistry.

Piratis, I will not be voting for Themistocleous. I will vote for Christofias. How about you, since you asked me and I obliged.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:58 pm

Piratis, I will not be voting for Themistocleous. I will vote for Christofias. How about you, since you asked me and I obliged.


Why Christofias and not Themistocleous? Christofias is a "rejectionist" as well, and his view regarding the Cyprus Problem and the Annan plan is not very different than the one of Papadopoulos (according to AKEL)

Since you asked me, what I want is a center-left alliance. I don't want Christofias alone, but I don't want Papadopoulos alone either. So I will follow the polls and in the first round I will vote in the way that will help Papadopoulos and Kasoulides to pass to the second round, so in the end Papadopoulos will be elected with the the support of AKEL.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:13 pm

Christofias subscribes to the only possible solution. Bizonal, bicommunal federation. Papadopoulos pays lip service to this solution while DIKO, EDEK and certainly EUROKO are against it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:18 pm

Piratis wrote:
Piratis, I will not be voting for Themistocleous. I will vote for Christofias. How about you, since you asked me and I obliged.


Why Christofias and not Themistocleous? Christofias is a "rejectionist" as well, and his view regarding the Cyprus Problem and the Annan plan is not very different than the one of Papadopoulos (according to AKEL)

Since you asked me, what I want is a center-left alliance. I don't want Christofias alone, but I don't want Papadopoulos alone either. So I will follow the polls and in the first round I will vote in the way that will help Papadopoulos and Kasoulides to pass to the second round, so in the end Papadopoulos will be elected with the the support of AKEL.


Obviously you are one content GC with regard to solving the Cyprus issue as you are voting for more of them. The progress you have made towards your goals over the past 5 years must be very satisfying for you to re-elect the ex eoka Turk hater leader...well done. (Sum you up really)
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Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:36 pm

VP, the Cyprus problem exists because the turks occupy our country (and obviously we can not love them for that).
If you were hoping that we will elect somebody that will sign off part of our country to you, then I am sorry to disappoint you but it will not happen.
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Postby zan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:59 pm

Piratis wrote:VP, the Cyprus problem exists because the turks occupy our country (and obviously we can not love them for that).
If you were hoping that we will elect somebody that will sign off part of our country to you, then I am sorry to disappoint you but it will not happen.


Don't start to cry whaen it happens without you then Piratis. The EU are talking of a two state solution now and the boat is about to leave. You can be the cry baby of Europe if you like but the rest will see reason and they are because our story is getting out. Thank heaven for the internet and the people that use it. No more suppression from you my friend. Turn off the water like Makarios did and the world will hear about it in seconds. You should see the faces of all the brits I tell of what really happened in Cyprus...."I had no idea" is what they say and "Now I understand" is another. The doors are opening and so are the ears, good luck to your soup box lies.... :roll:
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