[quote="bigOz"][quote="DT."]can we get one thing straight please. EOKA A or B was not part of the 63-64 intercommunal fighting. Eoka b wasn't even formed until 1971.[/quote]
With all respects DT, this is exactly what parts of a briefing note published by a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). [b]London May 1992.[/b]
[quote][b]In a speech on 4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."[/b][/quote]
On 28th December 1963 the [b]Daily Express[/b] carried the following report from Cyprus:
[quote][b]We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.[/b][/quote]
On [b]14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph[/b] reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross.
A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by [b]The Observer on 16th February 1964[/b]
[b]On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald [/b]reported:
[quote]When I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.[/quote]
[b]On 31st December 1963 The Guardian[/b] reported:
[quote]It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualities were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of the head of Turkish Cypriot army medical services - allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats. The Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, but there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.[/quote]
On [b]10th September 1964 the U.N. Secretary-General[/b] reported
[quote](UN doc. S/5950): "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island[/b] during the disturbances,..........it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 250 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs.[/quote]
In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former [b]British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home[/b]
[quote] I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.[/quote]
The same document goes on to say:
[quote]More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. [b]The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership[/b], which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice.[/quote]
not carry out these atrocities against the TCs am I to believe that your average GC villager or petite-bourgeoisie took to arms and attacked them? I do not think so somehow! I put emphasis on the last quote. The political and religious leaders at the time had been either members or strong supporters of EOKA (including Makarios).[/quote][quote]
Let me ask you a question as long as people keeping on and keeping on of the past the Cypriot problem will never be solve is this correct?
If yes then why on earth digging this old filth lets see it from 1974 and go on with liberated Cyprus
FREE CYPRUS
Cyprus by the people and for the people
one government
one union
one country
one unity
one identification
no division
just simply FREE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ARE GREEK CYPRIOTS GREEKS?
by bigOz » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:19 pm
theodore wrote:bigOz wrote:DT. wrote:can we get one thing straight please. EOKA A or B was not part of the 63-64 intercommunal fighting. Eoka b wasn't even formed until 1971.
With all respects DT, this is exactly what parts of a briefing note published by a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.In a speech on 4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."
On 28th December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus:We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.
On 14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross.
A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16th February 1964
On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald reported:When I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.
On 31st December 1963 The Guardian reported:It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualities were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of the head of Turkish Cypriot army medical services - allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats. The Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, but there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.
On 10th September 1964 the U.N. Secretary-General reported(UN doc. S/5950): "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island[/b] during the disturbances,..........it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 250 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs.
In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-HomeI was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.
The same document goes on to say:More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership, which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice.
not carry out these atrocities against the TCs am I to believe that your average GC villager or petite-bourgeoisie took to arms and attacked them? I do not think so somehow! I put emphasis on the last quote. The political and religious leaders at the time had been either members or strong supporters of EOKA (including Makarios).
Let me ask you a question as long as people keeping on and keeping on of the past the Cypriot problem will never be solve is this correct?
If yes then why on earth digging this old filth lets see it from 1974 and go on with liberated Cyprus
FREE CYPRUS
Cyprus by the people and for the people
one government
one union
one country
one unity
one identification
no division
just simply FREE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Whatever theodore! May Moses, Jesus, Muhammed and who ever else you may believe existed as the exclusive agent of GOD in this World bless you son!
Just calm down a bit please - you are going to end up with thrombosis!
BTW do you want me to prepare the banners for the above slogans now or shall we wait for a special occasion?
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by Pyrpolizer » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:46 pm
I think there is a huge confusion regarding the Eokas in this forum . OK let me try
Eoka (or Eoka A) from 1955-1959
From 1960-1971:
We had the formation of National Guard. Grivas was the fist leader. Some of the officers were ex-Eokas but the MAJORITY of officers were Mainland Greek officers.The soldiers were young GCs 18-20 years old who just served-they had nothing to do with the ex-Eoka.
In addition to the National Guard we had various paramilitary groups, that gathered all sorts of people including ex-eokas. All those groups did not last for long and nobody really knows when they were active and when they actually disolved.We had the Yiorkatzis group, the Sampson group, the ethnicon metopon, and the Lyssarides group that was supposly to protect Makarios. Who were the members of those groups nobody can tell for sure.
Some National Guard officers were also members of those paramilitary groups,who by the way were almost exclussively doing their dirty jobs at night! It was very-very rare for anything to happen during day time. The most common activity was to attack police stations!
The organised attacks during the fighting of the 60s were certainly done by the National guard. Some paramilitary groups would have jumped in too. For example in the events of Bloody Christmas we know for sure Sampson's group jumped in.
By 1971 we have the Eoka B (perhaps it was the joining of all those paramilitary groups excluding the Lyssarides group). Their only purpose was to Kill Makarios, they never did anything against the TCs. As before they were mostly attacking police stations at night and fighting other gunmen who were pro-Makarios.
Now what happens is the Eokas of 1955-59 get offended when one says they are the ones who did the attrocities against the TCs. The truth is the Eoka of 1955-59 as an organisation never had any such purpose.
The other truth is some members of the ex-Eoka organisation were either leaders or officers in those paramilitary groups of the 60s.
Eoka B's crimes on the other hand were by almost 100% against the GC supporters of Makarios. The coup was organised by some Greek officers of the National Guard and the Eoka B.
Eoka (or Eoka A) from 1955-1959
From 1960-1971:
We had the formation of National Guard. Grivas was the fist leader. Some of the officers were ex-Eokas but the MAJORITY of officers were Mainland Greek officers.The soldiers were young GCs 18-20 years old who just served-they had nothing to do with the ex-Eoka.
In addition to the National Guard we had various paramilitary groups, that gathered all sorts of people including ex-eokas. All those groups did not last for long and nobody really knows when they were active and when they actually disolved.We had the Yiorkatzis group, the Sampson group, the ethnicon metopon, and the Lyssarides group that was supposly to protect Makarios. Who were the members of those groups nobody can tell for sure.
Some National Guard officers were also members of those paramilitary groups,who by the way were almost exclussively doing their dirty jobs at night! It was very-very rare for anything to happen during day time. The most common activity was to attack police stations!
The organised attacks during the fighting of the 60s were certainly done by the National guard. Some paramilitary groups would have jumped in too. For example in the events of Bloody Christmas we know for sure Sampson's group jumped in.
By 1971 we have the Eoka B (perhaps it was the joining of all those paramilitary groups excluding the Lyssarides group). Their only purpose was to Kill Makarios, they never did anything against the TCs. As before they were mostly attacking police stations at night and fighting other gunmen who were pro-Makarios.
Now what happens is the Eokas of 1955-59 get offended when one says they are the ones who did the attrocities against the TCs. The truth is the Eoka of 1955-59 as an organisation never had any such purpose.
The other truth is some members of the ex-Eoka organisation were either leaders or officers in those paramilitary groups of the 60s.
Eoka B's crimes on the other hand were by almost 100% against the GC supporters of Makarios. The coup was organised by some Greek officers of the National Guard and the Eoka B.
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by theodore » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:55 pm
[quote="bigOz"][quote="theodore"][quote="bigOz"][quote="DT."]can we get one thing straight please. EOKA A or B was not part of the 63-64 intercommunal fighting. Eoka b wasn't even formed until 1971.[/quote]
With all respects DT, this is exactly what parts of a briefing note published by a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). [b]London May 1992.[/b]
[quote][b]In a speech on 4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."[/b][/quote]
On 28th December 1963 the [b]Daily Express[/b] carried the following report from Cyprus:
[quote][b]We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.[/b][/quote]
On [b]14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph[/b] reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross.
A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by [b]The Observer on 16th February 1964[/b]
[b]On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald [/b]reported:
[quote]When I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.[/quote]
[b]On 31st December 1963 The Guardian[/b] reported:
[quote]It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualities were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of the head of Turkish Cypriot army medical services - allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats. The Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, but there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.[/quote]
On [b]10th September 1964 the U.N. Secretary-General[/b] reported
[quote](UN doc. S/5950): "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island[/b] during the disturbances,..........it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 250 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs.[/quote]
In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former [b]British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home[/b]
[quote] I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.[/quote]
The same document goes on to say:
[quote]More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. [b]The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership[/b], which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice.[/quote]
not carry out these atrocities against the TCs am I to believe that your average GC villager or petite-bourgeoisie took to arms and attacked them? I do not think so somehow! I put emphasis on the last quote. The political and religious leaders at the time had been either members or strong supporters of EOKA (including Makarios).[/quote][quote]
Let me ask you a question as long as people keeping on and keeping on of the past the Cypriot problem will never be solve is this correct?
If yes then why on earth digging this old filth lets see it from 1974 and go on with liberated Cyprus
FREE CYPRUS
Cyprus by the people and for the people
one government
one union
one country
one unity
one identification
no division
just simply FREE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[/quote][/quote]
Whatever theodore! May Moses, Jesus, Muhammed and who ever else you may believe existed as the exclusive agent of GOD in this World bless you son! :D
Just calm down a bit please - you are going to end up with thrombosis!
BTW do you want me to prepare the banners for the above slogans now or shall we wait for a special occasion? :D[/quote]
"Live and let Live, Respect and be Respected" does this words mean anything to you? it is aveously not just empty words for you... ha
With all respects DT, this is exactly what parts of a briefing note published by a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). [b]London May 1992.[/b]
[quote][b]In a speech on 4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."[/b][/quote]
On 28th December 1963 the [b]Daily Express[/b] carried the following report from Cyprus:
[quote][b]We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.[/b][/quote]
On [b]14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph[/b] reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross.
A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by [b]The Observer on 16th February 1964[/b]
[b]On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald [/b]reported:
[quote]When I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.[/quote]
[b]On 31st December 1963 The Guardian[/b] reported:
[quote]It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualities were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of the head of Turkish Cypriot army medical services - allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats. The Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, but there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.[/quote]
On [b]10th September 1964 the U.N. Secretary-General[/b] reported
[quote](UN doc. S/5950): "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island[/b] during the disturbances,..........it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 250 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs.[/quote]
In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former [b]British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home[/b]
[quote] I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.[/quote]
The same document goes on to say:
[quote]More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. [b]The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership[/b], which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice.[/quote]
not carry out these atrocities against the TCs am I to believe that your average GC villager or petite-bourgeoisie took to arms and attacked them? I do not think so somehow! I put emphasis on the last quote. The political and religious leaders at the time had been either members or strong supporters of EOKA (including Makarios).[/quote][quote]
Let me ask you a question as long as people keeping on and keeping on of the past the Cypriot problem will never be solve is this correct?
If yes then why on earth digging this old filth lets see it from 1974 and go on with liberated Cyprus
FREE CYPRUS
Cyprus by the people and for the people
one government
one union
one country
one unity
one identification
no division
just simply FREE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[/quote][/quote]
Whatever theodore! May Moses, Jesus, Muhammed and who ever else you may believe existed as the exclusive agent of GOD in this World bless you son! :D
Just calm down a bit please - you are going to end up with thrombosis!
BTW do you want me to prepare the banners for the above slogans now or shall we wait for a special occasion? :D[/quote]
"Live and let Live, Respect and be Respected" does this words mean anything to you? it is aveously not just empty words for you... ha
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by Pyrpolizer » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:47 pm
Theodore what kind of browser are you using man? It's not compatible with the forum, very difficult to read your posts. Use Internet explorer or Firefox please. Opera works fine too.
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by Nikitas » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:26 pm
You guys are cute!
You rant and rave about the virtues of Cypriocity but none of you have made any reference whatsoever to the other, non Greek non Turkish, communities on the island- the Armenians, the Latins, the Maronites and the Rom. This is proof of how bound up you are in this Greek -Turk thing! Yet these other communities have been here much longer than the Turkish community.
It is by virtue of these other communities that we must seek to establish a Cypriot nationality (not ethnicity) that covers us all, not because "Cyprus is part Greek and part Turkish and therefore Cypriot in whole" as Denktash once said. And if Turks with 18 per cent of the population are politically equal so are the other communities. I for one would love to see a solution that had the presidency rotating between six community leaders and not just the Greek and the Turk.
Nikitas
You rant and rave about the virtues of Cypriocity but none of you have made any reference whatsoever to the other, non Greek non Turkish, communities on the island- the Armenians, the Latins, the Maronites and the Rom. This is proof of how bound up you are in this Greek -Turk thing! Yet these other communities have been here much longer than the Turkish community.
It is by virtue of these other communities that we must seek to establish a Cypriot nationality (not ethnicity) that covers us all, not because "Cyprus is part Greek and part Turkish and therefore Cypriot in whole" as Denktash once said. And if Turks with 18 per cent of the population are politically equal so are the other communities. I for one would love to see a solution that had the presidency rotating between six community leaders and not just the Greek and the Turk.
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by Get Real! » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:43 pm
Nikitas wrote:You guys are cute!
You rant and rave about the virtues of Cypriocity but none of you have made any reference whatsoever to the other, non Greek non Turkish, communities on the island- the Armenians, the Latins, the Maronites and the Rom. This is proof of how bound up you are in this Greek -Turk thing! Yet these other communities have been here much longer than the Turkish community.
It is by virtue of these other communities that we must seek to establish a Cypriot nationality (not ethnicity) that covers us all, not because "Cyprus is part Greek and part Turkish and therefore Cypriot in whole" as Denktash once said. And if Turks with 18 per cent of the population are politically equal so are the other communities. I for one would love to see a solution that had the presidency rotating between six community leaders and not just the Greek and the Turk.
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by Neo_Cypriot » Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:20 pm
Can I point out that the first Cypriot were not of Greek originand the first Turkish Cypriots weren't of Turkish origin and that a lot of Greek Cypriot have latin sounding surnames because of the latin period in Cyprus when a lot of Venetion merchants married the local women in places like Larnaca.
Cyprus is mainly Greek in the reaspect by curlture, but not blood as many different peoples have come to the island over the years. Not just Greeks!
Cyprus is mainly Greek in the reaspect by curlture, but not blood as many different peoples have come to the island over the years. Not just Greeks!
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by Chimera » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:16 pm
Neo_Cypriot wrote:Can I point out that the first Cypriot were not of Greek originand the first Turkish Cypriots weren't of Turkish origin and that a lot of Greek Cypriot have latin sounding surnames because of the latin period in Cyprus when a lot of Venetion merchants married the local women in places like Larnaca.
Cyprus is mainly Greek in the reaspect by curlture, but not blood as many different peoples have come to the island over the years. Not just Greeks!
....Except for those of us who have been stigmatised for being, by blood and semantics, TRUE Greek Cypriot.
By virtue of one parent being ethnically Greek and the other a true Cypriot, only then can the description "Greek Cypriot" be used accurately.
This is particluarly frustrating since I abhor the use of the opposite label "Turkish Cypriot" (unless by blood), and support the notion that the true Cypriots nead to be recognised as such, without ties to other countries' names.
Such polarisation due to semantics/politics is a pain when fellow Cypriots make assumptions as to ones loyalties because of the accepted usage of GC or TC. The usual assumption being favouring ENOSIS (which I don't).
I am an ardent supporter of a truly independent RoC for the TRUE Cypriots even if I am a TRUE Greek Cypriot.
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by BirKibrisli » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:29 pm
Chimera wrote:Neo_Cypriot wrote:Can I point out that the first Cypriot were not of Greek originand the first Turkish Cypriots weren't of Turkish origin and that a lot of Greek Cypriot have latin sounding surnames because of the latin period in Cyprus when a lot of Venetion merchants married the local women in places like Larnaca.
Cyprus is mainly Greek in the reaspect by curlture, but not blood as many different peoples have come to the island over the years. Not just Greeks!
....Except for those of us who have been stigmatised for being, by blood and semantics, TRUE Greek Cypriot.
By virtue of one parent being ethnically Greek and the other a true Cypriot, only then can the description "Greek Cypriot" be used accurately.
This is particluarly frustrating since I abhor the use of the opposite label "Turkish Cypriot" (unless by blood), and support the notion that the true Cypriots nead to be recognised as such, without ties to other countries' names.
Such polarisation due to semantics/politics is a pain when fellow Cypriots make assumptions as to ones loyalties because of the accepted usage of GC or TC. The usual assumption being favouring ENOSIS (which I don't).
I am an ardent supporter of a truly independent RoC for the TRUE Cypriots even if I am a TRUE Greek Cypriot.
We have a True Cypriot's Club in this forum,Chimera...It is for those who feel they are Cypriots above all else...And who believe,like you do,that Cypriots are one people one nation,divided by one or more artificial factors...If and when you are ready to drop the "Greek" part,Our president (miltiades) will be to happy to admit you,i am sure...
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