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[Viewpoint]

my father is a cypriot and he speaks both languages fluently greek and turkish, people who dont know him hen he speaks people think he is greek or turkish he is soo fluent, end of the day only my fathers choosen identity makes him greek or turkish not the language he speaks, but one thing i dont agree with my father is that he says im cypriot greek or turkish im not going to reveal this to the forum, and i say to him you are what you believe you are but i dont except that i tell him i will forever except you are a greek speaking or turkish speaking cypriots again im not going to devulge what he choooses..................... if we are cypriots at least lets us be proud lets not devide our own people by forever insisting im greek im turkish cypriot............ we are an island and we have the right to self determination as free people.but the way cypriots think in my opinion we have zero chance of ever uniting to be one..........................it is a well know fact in life that perception makes our realities, and if they are always telling you your greek and turkish this has a profaund effect on the brain and your perception becomes reality becouse you sepak the languge

That boat left the port in 1960...times and circumstances have changed we have all changed...you have to move with the times and its looks like even under a BBF we will have a 2 state solution.

[kurupetos]

GC are cypriot citizens of greek descent and TC are cypriot citizens of turkish descent. This should be clear to everyone.

And another thing: the Cyprus Constitution of 1960 distinguishes in all aspects this difference distinguishing the people to two main communities: The Greek Cypriot Community and the Turkish Cypriot Community. (This is a historical fact and you can read the Constitution if you do not believe me!)

[theodore]

[quote="Kristianikos"]I believe that those from cyprus are Cypriots. I do have connections with Greece, but this is only because i was born there. I believe that G/C's and T/C's should be together as 1, as Cypriots.

I myself (now living in the UK) don't use the term Greek Cypriot, just Cypriot..

:D[/quote]

I am please to see that you like to call your self Cypriot. If many more understand this simple principal the country of Cyprus will be elevated in a higher standers and have here own dignity and clam her own power as a whole.
The reason most countries react with questions when someone say they are Cypriots is because the people there divided the island... i believe is because most Cypriot's citizens like to associate them self with Greece or Turkey, if everyone there understands yes they may have connection with any other country but they are really Cypriot's the problem of Cyprus will be solved faster i believe. what to you all think?

[theodore]

[quote="free_cyprus"]im from cyprus and im a cypriot and when you ask me if im trukish or greek i simply say to people im neither but i do speak one of the languages and i have nothing to do with .turkey or greece we as an island have been ruled from persia to friging britain for over 3000 years and your going to tell me im greek or turk ..................if anyone is soo sure then let them go and have a dna test and lest see what comes up. as the saying goes ...............a men is generaly what he feels himself to, and im a cypriot...........................our own people the cypriots are our own worse enemy and they dont even know it they are soo frigging brained washed that some of them well most fo them actualy believe they are greeks and turks and yet they deprive us from our own identity. why do we have such a thing called independence if we are greeks and turks. the mainland turkey and greece have shuved so much propaganda down our throats that most people believe thats what they are. we are supposed to be an independent state and we have turkish and greek flags flying all over the place, where the feck is national pride who speaks for us athens and ankara, who runs the secret service in cyprus athens and ankara, whos history books do we read, athens and ankara, who dictates negotiations regarding cyprus athens and ankara,cyprus has no voice what we do have is some arseholes waving greek and turkish flags and say im a greek and im a turk they fecking cypriots the fecking idiots. nobody questions anything whatever they hear they say yes........................look at great britain you have three countries joined togtehr by land england wales scotland would a scotsman ever say he is english your joking would a welshman say he is english no. ......................why ?????............they all speak english and yet they still say they are scotish welsh and english they have pride ...................us lot in cyprus we are greeks and turks becouse we speak the language and we share the same riligion ..........what a joke cyprus sitiuation is the laughing stock of the international community nowhere in the world is like cyprus a small island devided into four. .....................small island that has been tortured through out history and still today our people are slaves to turkey and greece and nobody speaks for us.[/quote]

Very well said... we think the same... another example is America we recognize England but celebrate our independence July 4th. Yes we speak English but it is American English therefor our own language we call it American English mush different then British English in pronunciation and writing same things. Cyprus majority speaks Greek but Cypriot Greek which by the why are more aging then the Greek spoken in Greece today... i have found this fact by studying biblical Greek so if you ask me which is the oldest language i will reply to you the Cypriot Greek of course.
If Cypriots understand and fallow history of other successful independent countries will no longer have the Greece/Turkey problem i believe therefore the Cypriot problem solved Cyprus united again

[theodore]

[quote="Viewpoint"]Both sides are incapable of uniting and the past 47 years are testiment to this fact.[/quote]

Don't you believe in miracles my bro, God can do all things nothing is impossible for Him you know and yes He alone can fix this problem. Miracles do exist this is a fact ... this is a testament as well i hope you know this as well. 47 years is nothing in Gods timing ... look at the story of Joseph God has united him with his people and gave him the best land in Canaan God can unite Cyprus again we Americans praying in her behalf because we believe in miracles. God's will be done.

[DT.]

can we get one thing straight please. EOKA A or B was not part of the 63-64 intercommunal fighting. Eoka b wasn't even formed until 1971.

[free_cyprus]

kurupetos
soo you think by the 1959 agreement and what it states in the zurich agreement its all true and we are turks and greeks.............. ask yourself this. did anyone ask cypriots what they think or thoguht when they drew up the agreement the answer is no, who drew up the agreement , turkey greece and britain, and all they did was tell not ask i repeat tell the cypriots this is where you sign, and they signed the ducument and this si the result, the zurich agreement that you speak of is the most laughable document in archives of independence on the international stage, the only ones to benefit from that document was turkey greece and britain, do not blame the juntas and the invasions of turkey and all that shit, it is a well known fact that usa and briatain sponcer remove and install whatever goverment suits them at the time, through money ect ho many times have we seen this in the past countless times perfect example is iraq today, but go back nearly 50 years ago it was even easier to do such things and get away with it and people did not know any of the wiser. if this is not true please someone enlighten me

[kurupetos]

Dear free_cyprus

I didn't say that we are turks and greeks. I said that we are all cypriot citizens of greek and turkish descent.

Yes I agree with you that nobody asked cypriots what they think when they drew up the agreement. All you say it's valid about who benefited etc. The Annan plan was also created by USA, UK, Turkey and Greece. The same will happen with all future solution plans.

But we shouldn't forget that the only legal document is the 1960 Constitution and it will be the basis for any proposed solution either we like it or not.

[theodore]

[quote="free_cyprus"]kurupetos
soo you think by the 1959 agreement and what it states in the zurich agreement its all true and we are turks and greeks.............. ask yourself this. did anyone ask cypriots what they think or thoguht when they drew up the agreement the answer is no, who drew up the agreement , turkey greece and britain, and all they did was tell not ask i repeat tell the cypriots this is where you sign, and they signed the ducument and this si the result, the zurich agreement that you speak of is the most laughable document in archives of independence on the international stage, the only ones to benefit from that document was turkey greece and britain, do not blame the juntas and the invasions of turkey and all that shit, it is a well known fact that usa and briatain sponcer remove and install whatever goverment suits them at the time, through money ect ho many times have we seen this in the past countless times perfect example is iraq today, but go back nearly 50 years ago it was even easier to do such things and get away with it and people did not know any of the wiser. if this is not true please someone enlighten me[/quote]




Why you think they did not ask them?
Let me make it clear is because they do not understand what independence mean you get that? they still like their mother to represent them... so you get the above.
Cyprus need to be independent sovereign country and give her government all power i mean the legal government not the illegal.
Then she will be respected from all...

[bigOz]

can we get one thing straight please. EOKA A or B was not part of the 63-64 intercommunal fighting. Eoka b wasn't even formed until 1971.

With all respects DT, this is exactly what parts of a briefing note published by a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.

In a speech on 4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."

On 28th December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus:

We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.

On 14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross.

A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16th February 1964

On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald reported:

When I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.

On 31st December 1963 The Guardian reported:

It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualities were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of the head of Turkish Cypriot army medical services - allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats. The Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, but there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.

On 10th September 1964 the U.N. Secretary-General reported

(UN doc. S/5950): "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island[/b] during the disturbances,..........it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 250 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs.

In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home

I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.

The same document goes on to say:

More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership, which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice.

Now, DT if you are saying EOKA did not carry out these atrocities against the TCs am I to believe that your average GC villager or petite-bourgeoisie took to arms and attacked them? I do not think so somehow! I put emphasis on the last quote. The political and religious leaders at the time had been either members or strong supporters of EOKA (including Makarios).