DENIZ ... DO YOU THINK I HATE YOU ...THEN I AM SORRY . YOU ARE WRONG .. YOU KNOW .I WENT OUT WITH TURKISH CYP GIRLS ... BACK IN NORTH LONDON DAYS ... DENIZ ..A LOVELY GREEN EYED GIRL ...MISS HER ...
BUT SERIOSULY ...DONT THINK BECAUSE I DONT SPELL CHECK AND TAKE THE MICKY OUT OF YOU ALL I DONT HAVE SERIOUS OPINIONS ..INDEED ...YOU MAY FIND ONE DAY ..THAT I AM YOUR ALLIE ...
I AM NICE GUY REALLY ...JUST WORRIED ...DONT MOCK KOSOVO .. I WAS THERE IN 1999/2000 ...PROTECTING CHILDREN AND RESGUEING THEM ... I CARRIED 22 BABIES TO SAFETY AND BURIED 2 ... DONT MOCK ME ..I FEEL REALLY SAD NOW ..
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ...IF IT HAPPEN HERE ? ALL FOR THE SAKE OF SOME LAND ...
ARE GREEK CYPRIOTS GREEKS?
by zan » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:18 am
oranos64 wrote:i dont know bro ...how do we control a population that has no discipline ... serioulsy ...remember i work with NATO AND U.N ... i have seen it .. i cant see it working
i often tell people ...just because we label ourselves civilised doesnt mean others have to behave like us ...
how bro ...what do we do .?.. yes we can get along ,but for how long ..look around the world ..religion and cultures ...they are difficult to control ...too much hate ...one minute all is well ,NEXT MINUTE BURNING TYRES ...
i mean zan ...even football here produces hate ... can you imagine ...fascists of both culture combining and clashing with communists here ...it will be a repeat of the 60s
i am not politician .. i am no news reporter ...
but come on bro ...can you see it working ....they argue over bits of land ...
man ... i wish both TALAT AND PAPADOUPLOS ...GOOD LUCK ...BECAUSE I FEAR THE WORSE ....
Why do you feel you have to control anything. Should you not be in control of yourself and lead by example. You cannot control you can only guide.
What does civilised mean in your eyes...Does it mean the way you are behaving on this forum. You do not care what others think or feel and you shout and swear and piss people off. Is that civilised? You say you are a kick boxer...Does that not require restraint and controlled aggression. You are running around the forum like a loose cannon and you have a go at others for lack of discipline. The point of civilisation is to discuss and even argue. That is the way we move forward.
The point about Cyprus is that I have to agree with you and you are a bit late on that point. I said that many moons ago. That does not mean that the how should not be discussed and those that do not agree should not object.
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by oranos64 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:24 am
I SAID I WANT TO CONTROL SOMETHING ? YOU NEED TO READ ALL MY POSTS ...I DONT SWEAR ...I DONT ... BUT I DO WIND YOU GUYS UP ... BECAUSE YOU TAKE THIS FORUM TOO SERIOUS ...The only persons i wound up recently was some football fans ...
other than that ... i dont swear ...seems VW ... is upset with me ,..but so what ... i spoke my views ....thats my opinion ...i care not a jot ...
as i said im off the forum for good soon ...
i wish you all well in your missions ...
other than that ... i dont swear ...seems VW ... is upset with me ,..but so what ... i spoke my views ....thats my opinion ...i care not a jot ...
as i said im off the forum for good soon ...
i wish you all well in your missions ...
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by zan » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:30 am
oranos64 wrote:I SAID I WANT TO CONTROL SOMETHING ? YOU NEED TO READ ALL MY POSTS ...I DONT SWEAR ...I DONT ... BUT I DO WIND YOU GUYS UP ... BECAUSE YOU TAKE THIS FORUM TOO SERIOUS ...The only persons i wound up recently was some football fans ...
other than that ... i dont swear ...seems VW ... is upset with me ,..but so what ... i spoke my views ....thats my opinion ...i care not a jot ...
as i said im off the forum for good soon ...
i wish you all well in your missions ...
I for one take my people seriously. The form is an extention of that.
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by Nikitas » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:33 am
Oranos,
Interesting that you work with peace missions yet you have "Si vis pacem...." as your motto. Is it your work that makes you so pessimistic? Reading your recent posts the inescapable conclusion is to give in and accept a permanent separation of our small island to avoid inevitable future conflicts. Sounds almost as if you want a big high wall to keep us apart because we cannot be trusted not to mangle each other. Well, that is one way of dealing with the problem.
There is another way, to enable the majority in each community, those that did not take up arms against each other, to take the responsibility of free citizens and prevent future clashes initiated by the "fascists of both cultures". That is how the French and the Germans did it, and no two European nations fought each other as often or with more feorocity than those two. If they can do it so can others. Basically it takes balls.
Interesting that you work with peace missions yet you have "Si vis pacem...." as your motto. Is it your work that makes you so pessimistic? Reading your recent posts the inescapable conclusion is to give in and accept a permanent separation of our small island to avoid inevitable future conflicts. Sounds almost as if you want a big high wall to keep us apart because we cannot be trusted not to mangle each other. Well, that is one way of dealing with the problem.
There is another way, to enable the majority in each community, those that did not take up arms against each other, to take the responsibility of free citizens and prevent future clashes initiated by the "fascists of both cultures". That is how the French and the Germans did it, and no two European nations fought each other as often or with more feorocity than those two. If they can do it so can others. Basically it takes balls.
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by oranos64 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:42 am
NIKITAS ...siv vis pacem .. is the U.S MARINES MOTTO ...its on here in memory to a friend who has fallen ...
nikita dont you live in Greece ?
france and germany are christians ...i also dont think you can compare them to GCS ..AND TCS
You believe the arms ...should be removed from both sides ? good idea
also big wall sounds good too
the facists are the ones to blame for cyprus issue ehh ? hmmm how do we define them ...please advise ...is it by the helenic or TURKISH FLAGS ....
So you want to force us ..to accept the dislolution of facists in cyprus ....or nationalists
please advise ...
also let me tell you ...if you ever read your history of military /wars in Europe /china etc ... you will find that the side/nation that drops its guard first ..is the goner ..
see also ...ROMAN EMPIRE ...QU SHAN PROVINCE , ETC
HAVE THE GCS ..NOT REMOVED ALL THE MINES IN THE GREEN LINE AREAS WHISLT THE TCS havent even began ...?
nikita dont you live in Greece ?
france and germany are christians ...i also dont think you can compare them to GCS ..AND TCS
You believe the arms ...should be removed from both sides ? good idea
also big wall sounds good too
the facists are the ones to blame for cyprus issue ehh ? hmmm how do we define them ...please advise ...is it by the helenic or TURKISH FLAGS ....
So you want to force us ..to accept the dislolution of facists in cyprus ....or nationalists
please advise ...
also let me tell you ...if you ever read your history of military /wars in Europe /china etc ... you will find that the side/nation that drops its guard first ..is the goner ..
see also ...ROMAN EMPIRE ...QU SHAN PROVINCE , ETC
HAVE THE GCS ..NOT REMOVED ALL THE MINES IN THE GREEN LINE AREAS WHISLT THE TCS havent even began ...?
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by Nikitas » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:54 am
Fascists are those that belittle the other side. There is a difference between honoring yours and spitting on the other guy or wanting to obliterate him. That is one of my problems with the Turkish side, the obliteration of all signs of Greek presence in the north of the island. But in my book a stasfactory solution is not one where Turkish Cypriots are removed from Cyprus or their rights denied.
If you do build the big wall you will end up with two vast armed camps on either side. With more foreigners called in to help. On the other hand we could do what we did not do from the start: take ourselves seriously as a nation, and have one army that is strong enough to defend the island against all invaders. An army whose officers swear allegiance to the Cypriot flag, and all personell are Cypriots. And a policy of exploiting our strategic position for our interests and not those of anyone else. For example if anyone wants to listen in on what happens in central Asia then let us build the listening posts and sell them the information. We do not have to give them a base.
You live in the USA, as I hear it the US forbids any foreign base and armed foreign troops on its soil, even if they are there for ceremonial occasions, like the 25th March parade in Astoria. A rule like that in Cyprus might not be a bad idea.
As for the mines, in this day of missiles, the mines are not much use and in any case, their removal is obliatory under international treaties.
If you do build the big wall you will end up with two vast armed camps on either side. With more foreigners called in to help. On the other hand we could do what we did not do from the start: take ourselves seriously as a nation, and have one army that is strong enough to defend the island against all invaders. An army whose officers swear allegiance to the Cypriot flag, and all personell are Cypriots. And a policy of exploiting our strategic position for our interests and not those of anyone else. For example if anyone wants to listen in on what happens in central Asia then let us build the listening posts and sell them the information. We do not have to give them a base.
You live in the USA, as I hear it the US forbids any foreign base and armed foreign troops on its soil, even if they are there for ceremonial occasions, like the 25th March parade in Astoria. A rule like that in Cyprus might not be a bad idea.
As for the mines, in this day of missiles, the mines are not much use and in any case, their removal is obliatory under international treaties.
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by humanist » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:23 am
Nikitas
Nikitas thank you for your clear point. I agree with you 100%. It would be good if more people on this forum shared our point of view.
Cheers
AV
Fascists are those that belittle the other side. There is a difference between honoring yours and spitting on the other guy or wanting to obliterate him. That is one of my problems with the Turkish side, the obliteration of all signs of Greek presence in the north of the island. But in my book a stasfactory solution is not one where Turkish Cypriots are removed from Cyprus or their rights denied.
Nikitas thank you for your clear point. I agree with you 100%. It would be good if more people on this forum shared our point of view.
Cheers
AV
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by BirKibrisli » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:59 am
Si Vis pacem,Para bellum...
I have no idea who said this,but just because it is in Latin it doesn't make it true. In my opinion it is a whole heap of cow manure...
If you want peace you have to work for it seriously.If you prepare for war that is what you will have eventually. I am not surprized in the least to learn that it is the motto of the US Marines... Look how much peace they have spread all over the world.
I am with Nikitas and humanist.
If you divide people and highlight their differences,you will never have peace...That is the sure way of perpetuating the animosity.
The only way to make sure you have lasting peace is to make friends-and if possible brothers/sisters- of your "enemy"...Then any dispute you might have between friends and relations can be solved amicably.But before you can do that you have to admit the past mistakes and injustices,allow people to find some sort of closure to their bitterness and resentment.Sincerely appologise and empathise with each other,and find the necessary compasion to forgive. The rest is easy.
But what are we doing in this forum and in real life???
Regurgitating the terrible past,accusing the other side for everything,and pledging revenge...Just the right recipe for a just and lasting solution... 
I have no idea who said this,but just because it is in Latin it doesn't make it true. In my opinion it is a whole heap of cow manure...
If you want peace you have to work for it seriously.If you prepare for war that is what you will have eventually. I am not surprized in the least to learn that it is the motto of the US Marines... Look how much peace they have spread all over the world.
I am with Nikitas and humanist.
If you divide people and highlight their differences,you will never have peace...That is the sure way of perpetuating the animosity.
The only way to make sure you have lasting peace is to make friends-and if possible brothers/sisters- of your "enemy"...Then any dispute you might have between friends and relations can be solved amicably.But before you can do that you have to admit the past mistakes and injustices,allow people to find some sort of closure to their bitterness and resentment.Sincerely appologise and empathise with each other,and find the necessary compasion to forgive. The rest is easy.
But what are we doing in this forum and in real life???
Regurgitating the terrible past,accusing the other side for everything,and pledging revenge...Just the right recipe for a just and lasting solution...
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by Nikitas » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:20 am
Closure to the bitterness, good phrase. Perhaps we should find out how the Spanish got over their civil war, and how the French and Germans today are such close allies. And in Greece too, they had a civil war from 1945 till 1949 that cost 600 000 lives, and they got over it. It is doable.
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