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[Neo_Cypriot]

Why don't the none Cypriots leave Cyprus to the Cypriots and stop interfering.

I also think that a lot of Cypriot history has been altered to please the politicians. For example. The people in Cyprus used to speak Cypriot and write Cypriot at one piont in history. The Greek Cypriot dialect is not just an ancient for of Greek but has or had Italian in it an a few native worlds as well. over time, these things are hiden from people or change or ignored.

[BirKibrisli]

Why don't the none Cypriots leave Cyprus to the Cypriots and stop interfering.

I also think that a lot of Cypriot history has been altered to please the politicians. For example. The people in Cyprus used to speak Cypriot and write Cypriot at one piont in history. The Greek Cypriot dialect is not just an ancient for of Greek but has or had Italian in it an a few native worlds as well. over time, these things are hiden from people or change or ignored.

Welcome to the forum,Neo_Cypriot...

One day most people will wake up and realise how much putting our ethnicity before our nationality has cost us and our beloved Cyprus...
And why some people are terrified that day might not be too far away...

Happy postings,dear brother/sister.

[humanist]

boys how do we change it, how do we change from a people who identify as turkish/ greek to a people who are proud and want to be Cypriot? Coments will be appreciated. Neo and Bir I look forward to some of your ideas this is time for growth.

[Nikitas]

Humanist,

First, you accept your ethnicity and culture. Second, accept that all others on the island, and I mean all and not just the two main communities, have an equal right and the expression does not diminish anyone. Third, do not provoke with inane slogans like "Cyprus is.....". Fourth, tell all outsiders to fuck off becuase they have all proved their motives. Fifth, unite to deal with the British. Sixth we decide that the ONLY people who have an interest in Cyprus are those that consider it their motherland and NO ONE ELSE! Seven, we put all the above into practical expression.

If you want a good example of a good Cypriot with the proper attitude read Kikapu's account of his visit to Cyprus. He mentions an old Turkish Cypriot woman in Paphos who stayed behind after 1974. When asked why she said "I did not want to leave Paphos". We should find that lady and make her honorary president of Cyprus. Being a patriot means you are attached to the soil and, more important, you take care of it. That lady is a true patriot.

[Nikitas]

I have been meaning to mention a detail of the Concord supersonic plane project that is relevant to us.

The engineers who planned and built the plane were English and French, hence they had a communication problem. Rather than teach everyone to speak two languages the engineers went through a speed course in UNDERSTANDING the other language not speak it. It is faster and easier to learn to understand a language than speak it. The result is that everyone understood everyone while speaking only their own language. And the plane was built and has proved very succesful.

For what it is worth, I speak three languages, but I understand five, so know from personal experience that the idea works.

[clive of payia]

The true Greek Cypriots live in: Wood Green, Turnpike Lane, Arnos Grove, Palmers Green, Barnet etc. That is where they fled in the 60's to get away from the EOKA B terrorists, of which Tpap was a member but now owns so many houses in London he would run for mayor. Also in 1974 thousand of GC's who fled the Turks. Many arrived with nothing and were given houses and furniture. They flourished in London and established many Greek Cypriot clubs and associations. They have representatives on councils, have had Mayors of London boroughs and even members of parliament. The GC's in Cyprus just wouldn't tolerate foreigners doing that in Cyprus. if you are a GC in London would you even think about coming back to Cyprus? I bet you wouldn't they would call you a "Charlie".

In north London, and indeed other cities throughout the world the GC's and TC's live quite happily together. Indeed when I lived in Palmers Green I had on one side a GC couple and on the other a TC couple. No problems at all. OK they were a bit noisier than the normal British but we all got on and support each other. What a pity we cannot replicate that on the island of Cyprus.

[Nikitas]

As a former resident of Harringey I know what you mean Clive!

In London we cease being Greek or Turkish and are mostly Cypriots. But then, in London we do not have the interference from outsiders, like the mainlanders who are all too eager to preach to us about being true Greeks or Turks. See my point four above.

In my day, 60s and 70s the main center was Harringey, both sides of Green Lanes. Seems the community has edged further north since then.

All the best

Nikitas

[BirKibrisli]

boys how do we change it, how do we change from a people who identify as turkish/ greek to a people who are proud and want to be Cypriot? Coments will be appreciated. Neo and Bir I look forward to some of your ideas this is time for growth.

Dear humanist,
this reply might sound a bit flippant but it is not intended that way.
The TCs now realise they are very different to the mainland Turks,because they have been invaded by them and outnumbered by them to such an extend that the differences are obvious.Most TCs are totally astounded by what they see around them. Now if there was such an influx of maindland Greeks to Cyprus,and they were allowed a free hand in running the Republic,then most GCs might rush and embrace the first TC they would find,which is not an easy task (to find real TCs) these days...

Sorry mate,but my head is a bit sore from hitting it against a brick wall..And my fingers are sore from repeating the same lines. TCs have long past the point where they can raise even the slightest protest voice against their "saviours"...It is upto the legitimate Govrenment of all Cyprus to dismantle all things Hellenic in the South,make Turkish the other truly official language,curb the power of the Orthodox church to influence politics,establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission,a Human rights and Equal Opportunity commission,invite all TCs in the North and the diaspora to return and settle in the Republic and declare the 1960 constitution would be fully implemented when there are enough TC numbers. Then watch Turkey trying to find somewhere to hide from international public opinion and political pressure from the EU...The pride in our Cypriotness will come over a few generations,if the government fosters it...

[oranos64]

Oranos thank you for mentioning the other communities of Cyprus.

In another thread I attempted to start a discussion about the nature of viable solution to our problem, whether it should be Bi-Communal or Multi Communal and hence Multi Regional. The response is nil, obviously most people on this forum do not regard the other communities of Cyprus, the Armenians, Maronites, Latins and Rom as meriting a mention.

This attitude is unacceptably racist, in my opinion.

If the two main communities of the island have rights that go as far as self government and geographical separation then, logically, so do the smaller communities. And if 9 percent of the island can vote for a president who was to preside over the whole island in the rotating presidency (per Annan plan) then the same right belongs to the smaller communities. That is how the presidency rotates in Switzerland and as the Annan plan mentions in the preamble it is based on the Swiss model. Or was that just decorative bull?

nikitas ...this is exactly why i do not accept this "CYPRIOT" TAG...clearly most of the forum is Turkish cyprs and Greek Cyps ...i am inviting other minorities onto this forum ....99% of the armenian people living in cyprus voted OXI to the annan plan ...there is a growing Russian ,english and other cultures in cyprus ..they too need representation and equality. I am sick and tired of this third class peoples abuse in cyprus ..

I hear this is even worse in the North ...

anyways ....a true democracy and a true solution can only manifest itself if we look into the pros and cons of any agreement

[zan]

boys how do we change it, how do we change from a people who identify as turkish/ greek to a people who are proud and want to be Cypriot? Coments will be appreciated. Neo and Bir I look forward to some of your ideas this is time for growth.

Dear humanist,
this reply might sound a bit flippant but it is not intended that way.
The TCs now realise they are very different to the mainland Turks,because they have been invaded by them and outnumbered by them to such an extend that the differences are obvious.Most TCs are totally astounded by what they see around them. Now if there was such an influx of maindland Greeks to Cyprus,and they were allowed a free hand in running the Republic,then most GCs might rush and embrace the first TC they would find,which is not an easy task (to find real TCs) these days...

Sorry mate,but my head is a bit sore from hitting it against a brick wall..And my fingers are sore from repeating the same lines. TCs have long past the point where they can raise even the slightest protest voice against their "saviours"...It is upto the legitimate Govrenment of all Cyprus to dismantle all things Hellenic in the South,make Turkish the other truly official language,curb the power of the Orthodox church to influence politics,establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission,a Human rights and Equal Opportunity commission,invite all TCs in the North and the diaspora to return and settle in the Republic and declare the 1960 constitution would be fully implemented when there are enough TC numbers. Then watch Turkey trying to find somewhere to hide from international public opinion and political pressure from the EU...The pride in our Cypriotness will come over a few generations,if the government fosters it...

Not much there I do not agree with. Surprised! You should listen more to what I say and not what you think I said.