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[Pyrpolizer]

Let me make a "racist" remark .

Miltiades, racism is the active discrimination of one race which is in power towards another ethnic group which is not in a power. What Pyron is demonstrating is prejudice. What you are demonstrating is nationaist chauvinism, albeit Cypriot rather than the Greek or Turkish variety more commonly demonstrated on this forum. And Lena, what if Copper Line is Pontiac, does it diminish his point of view about the dangers of generalising about a whole group from the behaviour of a few?

I agree completely with you Mehmet.

The reason I opened the previous topic was exactly that, to show that we all have prejudices about both the Pontians and the Turkish settlers and then move forward to discuss how dangerous those prejudices are in case of a solution. In fact those people could unite against all of us GCs+TCs based on our own prejudices which may well transform into real practice of racism.

But the topic just stuck on me beeing a "racist" full stop.

[zan]

Ta,ta,ta, ta……
The first hypocrite exposed. Racist by his own standards.

OK! Lets try it this way. I have been working with the "Little people " here in the UK for the last 30 years and I have to say I know them pretty well. This is not in the work place or meeting them in the streets but in their homes. When they are at home you are privy to almost every thing about them. They even sometimes forget you are there and carry on arguing and discussing things that they should not. I see the real person that is sometimes filthy and sometimes neurotically clean. I see if they really care about their children’s education or they are more worried about their dog. They, sometimes even talk to me about their political or racial beliefs. I have met more races of people than I can possibly count with out leaving the country.

Greek Cypriots like to talk. Turkish Cypriots like to watch. Nigerians sleep all day. Pakistanis sit on your shoulder. Indians keep out of the way but offer you all the tea and food you can handle. Jamaicans use such small light bulbs that you cannot see a thing. Africans have at least ten chest freezers. Chinese have the greasiest kitchens. The older generation English is normally quite nice. The younger generation is hopeless. Recently we have the eastern Europeans that are so much more intelligent than the people around them that you feel sorry for them. There are more but I can’t think of them at the moment.

Of course there were more Zany for which you couln't think at that moment.



Zany would you employ a Nigerian who "sleeps all day"

Now how did I know that you would go straight for Me Pyro.........Maybe because like others have said you have given away too much of your true self so we can make educated guesses about you.

The point that you fail to realise over and over again is that we all have our generalisations but not all of us chose to look down on our fellow human beings for these. You generalise and now with these generalisations you condemn. You now say that they are going to regroup and turn against us. Well if they hear the way you talk about them I would not blame them one little bit.


The simple answer to your stupid and racist question is that I would not employ one that sleeps all day but I would have to employ him if I am to find that out in the first place. You seem to think that they all sleep all day so they must all be condemned from the start. My very good friend Dr.Akinfenwa would that has worked very hard to get his doctorate would call you a racist.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ta,ta,ta, ta……
The first hypocrite exposed. Racist by his own standards.

OK! Lets try it this way. I have been working with the "Little people " here in the UK for the last 30 years and I have to say I know them pretty well. This is not in the work place or meeting them in the streets but in their homes. When they are at home you are privy to almost every thing about them. They even sometimes forget you are there and carry on arguing and discussing things that they should not. I see the real person that is sometimes filthy and sometimes neurotically clean. I see if they really care about their children’s education or they are more worried about their dog. They, sometimes even talk to me about their political or racial beliefs. I have met more races of people than I can possibly count with out leaving the country.

Greek Cypriots like to talk. Turkish Cypriots like to watch. Nigerians sleep all day. Pakistanis sit on your shoulder. Indians keep out of the way but offer you all the tea and food you can handle. Jamaicans use such small light bulbs that you cannot see a thing. Africans have at least ten chest freezers. Chinese have the greasiest kitchens. The older generation English is normally quite nice. The younger generation is hopeless. Recently we have the eastern Europeans that are so much more intelligent than the people around them that you feel sorry for them. There are more but I can’t think of them at the moment.

Of course there were more Zany for which you couln't think at that moment.



Zany would you employ a Nigerian who "sleeps all day"

Now how did I know that you would go straight for Me Pyro.........Maybe because like others have said you have given away too much of your true self so we can make educated guesses about you.

The point that you fail to realise over and over again is that we all have our generalisations but not all of us chose to look down on our fellow human beings for these. You generalise and now with these generalisations you condemn. You now say that they are going to regroup and turn against us. Well if they hear the way you talk about them I would not blame them one little bit.


The simple answer to your stupid and racist question is that I would not employ one that sleeps all day but I would have to employ him if I am to find that out in the first place. You seem to think that they all sleep all day so they must all be condemned from the start. My very good friend Dr.Akinfenwa would that has worked very hard to get his doctorate would call you a racist.

Thank you Zany for proving you are racist (by your own standards) against the Nigerians who using your own words "sleep all day"

Keep on ranting....

[mehmet]

I agree completely with you Mehmet.

The reason I opened the previous topic was exactly that, to show that we all have prejudices about both the Pontians and the Turkish settlers and then move forward to discuss how dangerous those prejudices are in case of a solution. In fact those people could unite against all of us GCs+TCs based on our own prejudices which may well transform into real practice of racism.

What i want to know is what you think of the IQ of those people.

In my opinion the Pontians are really low IQ, I would say they are idiots!

There are less provocative ways of introducing a topic don't you think?

[Pyrpolizer]

Again Mehmet I agree with you, in fact look at what a mess I ended up.

[zan]

Ta,ta,ta, ta……
The first hypocrite exposed. Racist by his own standards.

OK! Lets try it this way. I have been working with the "Little people " here in the UK for the last 30 years and I have to say I know them pretty well. This is not in the work place or meeting them in the streets but in their homes. When they are at home you are privy to almost every thing about them. They even sometimes forget you are there and carry on arguing and discussing things that they should not. I see the real person that is sometimes filthy and sometimes neurotically clean. I see if they really care about their children’s education or they are more worried about their dog. They, sometimes even talk to me about their political or racial beliefs. I have met more races of people than I can possibly count with out leaving the country.

Greek Cypriots like to talk. Turkish Cypriots like to watch. Nigerians sleep all day. Pakistanis sit on your shoulder. Indians keep out of the way but offer you all the tea and food you can handle. Jamaicans use such small light bulbs that you cannot see a thing. Africans have at least ten chest freezers. Chinese have the greasiest kitchens. The older generation English is normally quite nice. The younger generation is hopeless. Recently we have the eastern Europeans that are so much more intelligent than the people around them that you feel sorry for them. There are more but I can’t think of them at the moment.

Of course there were more Zany for which you couln't think at that moment.



Zany would you employ a Nigerian who "sleeps all day"

Now how did I know that you would go straight for Me Pyro.........Maybe because like others have said you have given away too much of your true self so we can make educated guesses about you.

The point that you fail to realise over and over again is that we all have our generalisations but not all of us chose to look down on our fellow human beings for these. You generalise and now with these generalisations you condemn. You now say that they are going to regroup and turn against us. Well if they hear the way you talk about them I would not blame them one little bit.


The simple answer to your stupid and racist question is that I would not employ one that sleeps all day but I would have to employ him if I am to find that out in the first place. You seem to think that they all sleep all day so they must all be condemned from the start. My very good friend Dr.Akinfenwa would that has worked very hard to get his doctorate would call you a racist.

Thank you Zany for proving you are racist (by your own standards) against the Nigerians who using your own words "sleep all day"

Keep on ranting....

I really am getting bored with your shit Pyro. Keep squirming worm but we all know about you now.....

[miltiades]

Based on my own experience I would not trust a Nigerian nor would I trust an African ,with credit that is , is it because 40 years in business has taught me something ?
ps.Nigerians dont trust Nigerians either and neither do Africans trust Africans !!

[LENA]

Lena
How do you change people's minds, you ask. I don't know. But I do know that if you don't challenge bigotry and racism it will spread and grow.

Allow me to disagree with you my dear CopperLine. If you don’t challenge something as you said you get as a result the growth of that thing. Well I disagree. I dont believe that to stop the growth or the existence of something you have to challenge it. For example if I dont challenge the hater of someone I will end up with more hate. And how you challenge bigotry and racism? By being one? By arguing? I know you didnt mean that with that way ... I guess you kind of meant that if you don’t judge racism and bigotry it will spread and grow? Well I am not sure about that either.

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

Pastor Martin Niemoller

Well the poem is excellent and the point is clear...but still my point was that you generalize the racism with all Cypriots but your point was just for Pyros. I actually came in the middle of this conversation just because of that and not to become Pyros lawyer. Pyros is a clever man even though sometimes he can talk more with his passion than his logic.

I couldn't agree with you more. Cyprus is by no means the only place where there is racism. (I didn't suggest it was)

In another thread Pyro said that I should open another thread on racism. I took up his suggestion.

You guessed wrong.

..racist against Cypriots ? No.

I apologize for my guesses and for coming into the middle without reading the other thread but I dont have that much time to go through all the threads that i missed.

Skyvet posted a briliant quote there and I am quoting that again here.

There is NO place for "racism" in this world, especially when we are ALL one race - human!

And Lena, what if Copper Line is Pontiac, does it diminish his point of view about the dangers of generalising about a whole group from the behaviour of a few?

Dear Mehmet, I didnt meant what you wrote there. I asked from curiosity. Unfortunately you got the wrong person here. For me it doesnt matter if you are Pontian, Turk, Greek, Cypriot or whatever. What matters is that you are human. But you are right to generalize things is not good. Thats why I posted here. He said that Cypriots are racists and i don’t accept that.

First of all I don't think the term "pontiac" is correct one. It is either Pontian or Pontic Greek. Pontiac is a car brand which I don't think it has anything to do with Pontus.

Generalizing is wrong but also talking about something you have no clue about is also wrong.

It is a fact that almost all of young adult Pontian males that I, or people I know, met, exhibit a behavior that is very often rude and not particularly intelligent.

However this fact might be for a number of reasons which almost certainly are not associated with the intelligence of Pontians as a whole. Some examples of possibles reasons:
1) The ones we meet most are the loud ones. We rarely meet those that are quiet minding their own business.
2) Most Pontians came to Cyprus through Greece. It is possible that Greece choose which Pontians they wanted to keep and which they would encourage to come to Cyprus. So it is very possible that the Pontians that we have here are not a representative sample.
3) They are a lot of them and most of them are of lower education than the average Cypriot. This is not the case with Western and Eastern Europeans who are at least as educated as we are. The Asians and other non EU people require a work permit to be in Cyprus and they pass from very strict immigration services. Obviously the employers will keep only the hard working ones and not the trouble makers, and even those that are illegally in Cyprus are trying to keep a low profile for obvious reasons. On the other hand the Pontians are Greek (EU) citizens, and could not be deported easily even if they created trouble.

These are just some of the possible reasons, and I believe there might be more.

So it is wrong to generalize because almost always generalizations are false, but also it is wrong to dismiss so easily the observations that everybody in Cyprus (and I am not talking just about GCs) has made about the majority of Pontians that we have here.

Piratis...I am glad that I found one post after a long time that i could agree with you completely. Well said.

[mehmet]

Lena,

Accept my apologies for misinterpreting your comment.

Mehmet

[miltiades]

Miltiades,

We shall have to differ on whether someone with no power can act in a way which is racist towards another person. I still maintain that racism is the action of discrimination on the basis of another persons race. What you have gone on to describe are your personal prejudices towards other cultural practices. You are entitled to whatever beliefs you want but only when you start acting differently towards people of another race are you discriminating in a racist manner. Do you have separate prices and standards of service for people from different nations? If everyone is treated the same then you are not acting in a racist way, even though you may think less of them for their own cultural practises.

Mehmet I agree on your interpretation of what makes a racist. Personal prejudices though I do not take on board , since such "prejudices " are merely observations of certain cultural activities that we in the West find deplorable, such as the killing of baby girls in India , the selling of disable children in China , which incidentally has been going on for hundreds of years , the persecution and the cold blooded murder of a rape victim by the victims family , the honour killings that happen on a regular basis even here in the UK , as you can see these are not "my personal prejudices " but abhorrent acts to all in the West.
BTW , welcome back and do stay , your contributions are valued and well read.
Have you ever been to Komi Kebir ? I used to spend time there during the carob season and remember the village quite well .