The Best Cyprus Community

Skip to content


Ankara must answer

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:31 pm

BelloTurco 2007 wrote:Ankara and Turkey does n t have to answer to anything pal. There was a war, a genoicde and Turkey responded by sending a peace keeping mission to protect the weaker party which was being slaughtered. No way should Turkey have to pay for anything. Turkey should be compensated for the money it s had to spend to keep peace on the İsland! İf you want to help you should look at ways of an ammicable reunifaction not cry about something which is now ancient history!

Playing the devil's advocate I should remind that the Greek Cypriots have another option; they can exercise a TOTAL embargo on the “TRNC” and then just sit back and wait for the tide to turn... real slow... and then one day when it is least expected perform a little "peace operation" of their own to return the favor...
Image
User avatar
Get Real!
Forum Addict
Forum Addict
 
Posts: 48333
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:25 am
Location: Nicosia

Postby BelloTurco 2007 » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:35 pm

Dear get real, ıs nt that what Greek Cypriots trıed to do last time? And what happened? İf İ recall U got a real ass kicking that s what!
BelloTurco 2007
Member
Member
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:06 pm
Location: London Cyprus Turkey

Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
BelloTurco 2007 wrote:Ankara and Turkey does n t have to answer to anything pal. There was a war, a genoicde and Turkey responded by sending a peace keeping mission to protect the weaker party which was being slaughtered. No way should Turkey have to pay for anything. Turkey should be compensated for the money it s had to spend to keep peace on the ?sland! ?f you want to help you should look at ways of an ammicable reunifaction not cry about something which is now ancient history!

Playing the devil's advocate I should remind that the Greek Cypriots have another option; they can exercise a TOTAL embargo on the “TRNC” and then just sit back and wait for the tide to turn... real slow... and then one day when it is least expected perform a little "peace operation" of their own to return the favor...
Image



If the world were not watching GR then I have no doubt in my mind that that would have happened long ago. Thank heavens for Turkey and humanity around the world.....
User avatar
zan
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 16213
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:55 pm

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:40 pm

zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
BelloTurco 2007 wrote:Ankara and Turkey does n t have to answer to anything pal. There was a war, a genoicde and Turkey responded by sending a peace keeping mission to protect the weaker party which was being slaughtered. No way should Turkey have to pay for anything. Turkey should be compensated for the money it s had to spend to keep peace on the ?sland! ?f you want to help you should look at ways of an ammicable reunifaction not cry about something which is now ancient history!

Playing the devil's advocate I should remind that the Greek Cypriots have another option; they can exercise a TOTAL embargo on the “TRNC” and then just sit back and wait for the tide to turn... real slow... and then one day when it is least expected perform a little "peace operation" of their own to return the favor...
Image



If the world were not watching GR then I have no doubt in my mind that that would have happened long ago. Thank heavens for Turkey and humanity around the world.....

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh come now Zan... is it ever possible to have the words "Turkey" and "Humanity" in the same sentence? :)
User avatar
Get Real!
Forum Addict
Forum Addict
 
Posts: 48333
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:25 am
Location: Nicosia

Postby growuptcs » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:44 pm

The world is also watching how Turkey never payed up to anything. Also ignoring human rights to victims that are refugees, lets see how the world responds to that in due time. Being so tunnelvisioned on your TRNC dreams, nothing overlooks handing back refugee property before any steps taken. Everything else is categorized empty threats and crocodile tears.
growuptcs
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 1088
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:40 pm

Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
BelloTurco 2007 wrote:Ankara and Turkey does n t have to answer to anything pal. There was a war, a genoicde and Turkey responded by sending a peace keeping mission to protect the weaker party which was being slaughtered. No way should Turkey have to pay for anything. Turkey should be compensated for the money it s had to spend to keep peace on the ?sland! ?f you want to help you should look at ways of an ammicable reunifaction not cry about something which is now ancient history!

Playing the devil's advocate I should remind that the Greek Cypriots have another option; they can exercise a TOTAL embargo on the “TRNC” and then just sit back and wait for the tide to turn... real slow... and then one day when it is least expected perform a little "peace operation" of their own to return the favor...
Image



If the world were not watching GR then I have no doubt in my mind that that would have happened long ago. Thank heavens for Turkey and humanity around the world.....

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh come now Zan... is it ever possible to have the words "Turkey" and "Humanity" in the same sentence? :)


I will not take that to heart coming from a TPap Greek supporter GR :wink: You might be labled a "Turk Lover" if you were soften a bit...... 8) :lol: :lol: :lol: Have a look at what the Greeks are doing to "Muslim Greeks" on all her islands including Cyprus and then start to throw stones if you dare....... :evil:
User avatar
zan
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 16213
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:55 pm

Postby Jerry » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:55 pm

Thanks for you reply CopperLine.

Quote
They very, very rarely say that they're above the law or are otherwise reckless about it.

Turkey may have felt that the 1974 invasion was legal but displacing one third of the population and replacing them with settlers was surely reckless and above the law since the Treaty of Guarentee did not permit this.

With regard to the 1959 negotiations, I think you wil find that the Cypriots had very little to do with the details and the Greek Cypriots in particular felt that they being told "accept this or face partition" or, to express the position in legal terms, Makarios signed the agreements under duress. Does the principle that agreements signed under duress are invalid extend to international constitutional agreements/treaties?
Jerry
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 4730
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 12:29 pm
Location: UK

Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:00 pm

Jerry wrote:Thanks for you reply CopperLine.

Quote
They very, very rarely say that they're above the law or are otherwise reckless about it.

Turkey may have felt that the 1974 invasion was legal but displacing one third of the population and replacing them with settlers was surely reckless and above the law since the Treaty of Guarentee did not permit this.

With regard to the 1959 negotiations, I think you wil find that the Cypriots had very little to do with the details and the Greek Cypriots in particular felt that they being told "accept this or face partition" or, to express the position in legal terms, Makarios signed the agreements under duress. Does the principle that agreements signed under duress are invalid extend to international constitutional agreements/treaties?


I think the Turkish Cypriots might have taken ENOSIS under duress if the GCs had had their way. The Zurich agreement was there for a reason and not just to spite the GCs I am afraid... :roll:
User avatar
zan
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 16213
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:55 pm

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:16 pm

BelloTurco 2007 wrote:Ankara and Turkey does n t have to answer to anything pal. There was a war, a genoicde and Turkey responded by sending a peace keeping mission to protect the weaker party which was being slaughtered. No way should Turkey have to pay for anything. Turkey should be compensated for the money it s had to spend to keep peace on the İsland! İf you want to help you should look at ways of an ammicable reunifaction not cry about something which is now ancient history!


Well, it might come to you as a surprise but not only Turkey is actually ANSWERING but is also PAYING already in the range of $1 million per house.

:razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

Hey here's another news for you. The average TC is PAYING every day.

Now go back to your ATCA cuckoos nest and discuss your new discoveries with the rest of your "ilk"as per Eric Kavli.
User avatar
Pyrpolizer
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 12893
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:33 pm

Postby CopperLine » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:40 pm

Jerry,

Turkey may have felt that the 1974 invasion was legal but displacing one third of the population and replacing them with settlers was surely reckless and above the law since the Treaty of Guarentee did not permit this.


You're right if your trying to separate the legal arguments about the 1974 intervention and then what happened afterwards, especially the further from '74 one moves. Justification for the intervention does not give justification for (a) expulsion or (b) settlement. It seems to be possible to justify the intervention without condoning the expulsion or settlement. In fact a strong argument could be made that until the policy of bringing in settlers - was that 1977, later, earlier ? - Turkey had a a reasonably strong legal position. The moment it effectively failed to follow occupation law i.e, don't change the pre-existing laws and institutions, then the its legal position got weaker and weaker. It may be, and I am just speculating here, that the realisation that its legal position was getting weaker gave impetus to declaring the TRNC.

Yes, the T. of Guarantee makes no provision for settlers, but then again one wouldn't expect it to. The T of Guarantee is a limited instrument, it is not an open cheque, and again going back to an earlier posting, any ambiguous elements of the T of Guarantee are hedged off and delineated by other instruments of international law. Thus though the T of Guarantee does mention settlers and settlement, a number of the laws of war and occupation do so these other provisions then kick in to prohibit permanent expulsion or settlement.

Does the principle that agreements signed under duress are invalid extend to international constitutional agreements/treaties?


This is a Catch-22. One could point to thousands of agreements which were negotiated or signed under duress or at least under 'offer you can't refuse' circumstances. (One could start with the demand for unconditional surrender at the end of WW2) At the moment of signature/ratification/entry into force few would admit it was done under duress. But unless it is made clear that it was under duress at the time, then there is absolutely no chance that it will be nullified. (Again, look at the 1969 Vienna Convention at the law on this). The assumption is that adoption of all international legal instruments by free and equal sovereign states - whether a Malta or a China - are freely entered into. Basically it is hard to show - as the leaders smile for the photographers at the signing ceremony - that any agreement was the result of duress. The best we've got are the political memoirs decades after the event to tell us otherwise.
User avatar
CopperLine
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 1558
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:04 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Cyprus Problem

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests