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[zan]

Shame the whole time that we were being told that we were not Cypriots niether Birkibrisli or Kikapu chose to join in the party. Perhaps they think they are not Cypriots either?????

On the contrary Zan, I made it be known, that I'm a Cypriot because the names of my parents are Mr. and Mrs. Amoeba.

As for the rest of the conversation on who is a Cypriot and who is not was some what pointless conversation to add anything. Besides, the subject was on who is Indigenous and who is not, and not about who was a Cypriot and who was not, I believe.

We are all Cypriots, No..?????

I think they were calling us Ottoman remnants Kiks not Cypriots. The whole point of their arguement was to put us in our places and prove that we have no real claim in Cyprus. If you think that it was as inosent as you say then I do not know what to say to you and as for importance of comment...........The difference between the words "Beat up" and "Assaulted" seemed to have a greater value?????????

[ken910]

what a load of crapp 3 wise greeks thats all we needed if you r so wise how did u END UP TURNING THIS ISLAND INTO A MESS YOBBOS

[Kikapu]

Shame the whole time that we were being told that we were not Cypriots niether Birkibrisli or Kikapu chose to join in the party. Perhaps they think they are not Cypriots either?????

On the contrary Zan, I made it be known, that I'm a Cypriot because the names of my parents are Mr. and Mrs. Amoeba.

As for the rest of the conversation on who is a Cypriot and who is not was some what pointless conversation to add anything. Besides, the subject was on who is Indigenous and who is not, and not about who was a Cypriot and who was not, I believe.

We are all Cypriots, No..?????

I think they were calling us Ottoman remnants Kiks not Cypriots. The whole point of their arguement was to put us in our places and prove that we have no real claim in Cyprus. If you think that it was as inosent as you say then I do not know what to say to you and as for importance of comment...........The difference between the words "Beat up" and "Assaulted" seemed to have a greater value?????????

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't VP always referring to us as descendants of the Turks ( Ottomans) and that it is natural to join with Turkey once again, which most Partitionist are ready to accept that way of thinking. As for me, and if I may speak for Bir, we have always claimed to be Cypriots and want to remain as such.

One is where they are born or accepts to another nationality through immigrating to another land that is willing to accept them, hence the fact many of us have more than one Nationality these days. One's roots are rooted in the land they were born or their parents, then they are from that nation, just like VP is a Cypriot, even though he was born in the UK, but that does not matter, because his parents roots are deep in Cyprus.

I know who I am and where I come from Zan. It does not matter what anyone else thinks, because there's nothing they can do to change that fact.

[halil]

Turkey has something to GAIN.

Turkey imo does not give a shit about the Tcs. It just holds a trump card, knows very well how much it costed her to get it, knows very well it costs while holding it.

But will never give it up unless she GAINS something substantial.

What is important for the Turkey and Tc's are:Safety of the Tc's and Turkey. Strategically Cyprus is very important for the Turkey also for others.İt is not the matter of the gain something. Many times Turkey and Turkish Cypriots leadership explained their views.

[Pyrpolizer]

Sorry Halil but this is a dreamer's explanation. Do you think Turkey will ever let the Cyprus problem get solved without her GAINING something really important? In case you think the TC people are important for her in ANYTHING ELSE other having a group of people to carry her own gains then you are mistaken. A little history study will help: May I remind you in 1966 Turkey was negotiating Enosis on Exchange of the British bases at Dhekelia. Tell me how is that related to the interests of the TC people as such!

[Pyrpolizer]

I know who I am and where I come from Zan. It does not matter what anyone else thinks, because there's nothing they can do to change that fact.

Tell him Kikapu even risking calling you Kikapyros once again. He takes whatever fallacy any GC says on face value. If we were to take whatever fallacy a GC says on face value we would end up crazy.

Zan this is a discussion forum with all sorts of views. You have to read between the lines and pick the things that create consensus. Btw many GCs in here have either not participated in the indegenousness topic, whereas others stated clearly it's a waste of time and does not contribute to Cypriotism in the new CYPRIOT NATION TO BE. I belong to the 2nd group, in which group do you belong the one who feels "instant affinity" to whoever lives in Turkey?

[Piratis]

I think they were calling us Ottoman remnants Kiks not Cypriots.

Actually this is what Murataga claimed, and if we consider what he said as true, then the rest of the argument follows.

I am not the one who keeps saying that there are "two peoples" in Cyprus, you are. If there are indeed "two peoples" then obviously the one are the Cypriots and the other one the "Ottoman remnants". The conclusion follows logically if we accept the claims of Murataga about "two peoples" in Cyprus.

Instead of arguing against logic, you could have simply rejected the arguments of Murataga about "two peoples" in Cyprus.

[bigOz]

Sorry Halil but this is a dreamer's explanation. Do you think Turkey will ever let the Cyprus problem get solved without her GAINING something really important? In case you think the TC people are important for her in ANYTHING ELSE other having a group of people to carry her own gains then you are mistaken. A little history study will help: May I remind you in 1966 Turkey was negotiating Enosis on Exchange of the British bases at Dhekelia. Tell me how is that related to the interests of the TC people as such!

It is futile to go by the examples of what old Turkish, Greek or Cypriot leadership did or said in history when evaluating today's position. We all know there were a lot of adverse examples concerning everyone.

The important issue now is, today's leadership and political position of all the countries concerned. Within that context I would totally agree with Halil, and reiterate that other than security issues, Turkey has nothing to gain from keeping an expensive military force on Cyprus soil...

[Pyrpolizer]

I assume you talk security for Turkey itself? If yes then let's talk about it.
I mean what's the best way to keep that "security"?

[Pyrpolizer]

I know who I am and where I come from Zan. It does not matter what anyone else thinks, because there's nothing they can do to change that fact.

Tell him Kikapu even risking calling you Kikapyros once again. He takes whatever fallacy any GC says on face value. If we were to take whatever fallacy a GC or TC says on face value we would end up crazy.

Zan this is a discussion forum with all sorts of views. You have to read between the lines and pick the things that create consensus. Btw many GCs in here have either not participated in the indegenousness topic, whereas others stated clearly it's a waste of time and does not contribute to Cypriotism in the new CYPRIOT NATION TO BE. I belong to the 2nd group, in which group do you belong the one who feels "instant affinity" to whoever lives in Turkey?

Some correction above with red colour as I cannot edit it