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[Southerner]

I think I may have steered your ship a little closer to the 'harbour of truth', there is much more before it can be safely anchored.

Read again plonker!

Who built the houses, who built the bars, who built the hotels? seems like a strange sort of welcome and then blame culture to me.
Talk about double standards.
Also once again resident arsehole Back Ali introduces Iraq into the conversation.

[paliometoxo]

IREMA!

[Eliko]

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{< quote, miltiades}
You are correct , but let me straighten something out. NO CYPRIOT LEFT CYPRUS IN THE 50s /60s because of EOKA. We left because we could not make a living for our selves and neither could we educate ourselves beyond the age of 12 ,. since the British did not encourage further education therefore if you wanted to gain education after the age of 12 you had to pay.
EOKA did not terrorise its own people you are confusing this with EOKA B which came later.{/quote}.


miltiades, I wonder if you would mind me asking you simple questions?, I am somewhat mystified by the fact that you seem to be SO pro British.

Since your homeland has so obviously suffered at the hands and from the actions of your 'host nation', from where does such allegiance spring from?. (you do display such tendencies quite regularly).

You are an older man, you have seen the result of the invasion of your country, it's division, the hatreds developing from such, YET, you are able to embrace the very policies that have destroyed your homeland.

Furthermore, YOU are one of the strongest advocates for the revival of Cypriot brotherhood.

I must say it all sounds a bit weird to me, If I was restricted and treated so badly by a foreign foe in my childhood, I would like to think that I would be rather 'miffed' by it all.

Is it because you have found that you are able to glean a better life for YOURSELF, that you are content to see the demise of your own country?, content to sit back and watch as your countrymen suffer, hoping that one day you may return and tearfully embrace both sides of the conflict and become a champion for peace?. (having lived off the proceeds and eaten the bread of your country's enemies for so long).

If I was the victim of what YOU have apparently suffered, I think my 'host nation' would have another 'Guy Fawkes' to worry about.

an old Irish saying sums it up nicely, "You killed the father but forgot the son !".

[miltiades]

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{< quote, miltiades}
You are correct , but let me straighten something out. NO CYPRIOT LEFT CYPRUS IN THE 50s /60s because of EOKA. We left because we could not make a living for our selves and neither could we educate ourselves beyond the age of 12 ,. since the British did not encourage further education therefore if you wanted to gain education after the age of 12 you had to pay.
EOKA did not terrorise its own people you are confusing this with EOKA B which came later.{/quote}.


miltiades, I wonder if you would mind me asking you simple questions?, I am somewhat mystified by the fact that you seem to be SO pro British.

Since your homeland has so obviously suffered at the hands and from the actions of your 'host nation', from where does such allegiance spring from?. (you do display such tendencies quite regularly).

You are an older man, you have seen the result of the invasion of your country, it's division, the hatreds developing from such, YET, you are able to embrace the very policies that have destroyed your homeland.

Furthermore, YOU are one of the strongest advocates for the revival of Cypriot brotherhood.

I must say it all sounds a bit weird to me, If I was restricted and treated so badly by a foreign foe in my childhood, I would like to think that I would be rather 'miffed' by it all.

Is it because you have found that you are able to glean a better life for YOURSELF, that you are content to see the demise of your own country?, content to sit back and watch as your countrymen suffer, hoping that one day you may return and tearfully embrace both sides of the conflict and become a champion for peace?. (having lived off the proceeds and eaten the bread of your country's enemies for so long).

If I was the victim of what YOU have apparently suffered, I think my 'host nation' would have another 'Guy Fawkes' to worry about.

an old Irish saying sums it up nicely, "You killed the father but forgot the son !".

Eliko , it is much deeper than that. Firstly you have to understand and appreciate that all super powers , and Britain was one at the time , through out history have exploited and used other nations for their own interests , a historical fact applicable to every single world power that ever existed.
Remembering that I posted much earlier that as young man at the age of 12 to the age of 15 I was a sworn member of the Youth arm of EOKA called ANE , and to-date I do not regret my past association with this organization.
Throughout this period I never harboured any hatred for British troops who were only carrying out their duties as soldiers remembering that the same troops in 1953 carried out their duties , in a humanitarian fashion , in helping the survivors of the earthquake of September the 10th . I watched as they erected tents and distributed food to the villagers and sweets to the children. It was a British army woman who took me and my two brothers and one sister to the Limassol orphanage .
I consider my self not only a Brit but also a Cypriot , my children share the English as well as the Cypriot ethnicity .
I came to the UK , on my own at the age of 15 . This nation has given me a great deal , I have nor rejected my birth country , on the contrary living away has strenghtened my love for my natural birth country , I also see very clearly that the British have contributed a great deal to the economy of Cyprus and I challenge any one to prove otherwise. Lets imagine a future scenario. The Brits go home , property crashes , restaurants , hotels , bars shops go bust in the process. Yes I hear you say , the Russians will make up the shortfall !!! Or in your case Eliko the Arabs !!

Let me finally remind you that there are in the UK more than 250 thousand Cypriots , how dare you say to them that Britain is their enemy ?
This country , the UK , has been very good to those of us who were prepared to accept and respect the native culture and learn the language without a bloody interpreter .
LONG MAY THE BRITS INHABIT PAPHOS AND SUSTAIN PROSPERITY TO THE ENTIRE REGION.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I could shake your right hand on THAT response, (you spoil it by associating me with the Arabs) but that is not to be unexpected since you seem to be stuck wtih that opinion, I must tell you that you are 'Wrong' when you make such an assessment of me.

Overall you have stated your views, you are perfectly entitled to do so and I can see nothing insulting in them.


I cannot fully agree with you but at least can understand your viewpoint, Good Luck and Best Wishes to you Sir.

[miltiades]

miltiades, I could shake your right hand on THAT response, (you spoil it by associating me with the Arabs) but that is not to be unexpected since you seem to be stuck wtih that opinion, I must tell you that you are 'Wrong' when you make such an assessment of me.

Overall you have stated your views, you are perfectly entitled to do so and I can see nothing insulting in them.


I cannot fully agree with you but at least can understand your viewpoint, Good Luck and Best Wishes to you Sir.

Eliko , are you a school teacher by any chance , you always appear to be rather patronising , however in spite of your views on a wide number of issues

[Southerner]

[Let me finally remind you that there are in the UK more than 250 thousand Cypriots , how dare you say to them that Britain is their enemy ?
This country , the UK , has been very good to those of us who were prepared to accept and respect the native culture and learn the language without a bloody interpreter .
LONG MAY THE BRITS INHABIT PAPHOS AND SUSTAIN PROSPERITY TO THE ENTIRE REGION.

Miltiades please let me thank and congratulate you on a very fair assesment of the situation.
My wife (who was just 19) and I lived in Cyprus just six short years after independence, we lived in Limassol, in a private hiring not in the confines and security of a military camp, there was no animosity or feeling of threat from either Greek or Turkish Cypriots.
Long after the independence of 1960 the Cypriot people were glad of the British forces maintaining the peace between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.
Around 1964/5, and so as to remain impartial, the UK asked the UN to come in an police the situation.
The Greek and Turkish Cypriots, by arrangement, fought a token battle every six months just as the six monthly mandate was up for renwel to keep the UN Prescence in Cyprus as along with the financial benefits gained from the UK bases even more money was added to the Cypriot coffers by the UN prescence.
One hotel in the old centre of Limassol (possibly the Curium Palace) was more or less taken over by the UN.
The two summers (1966/7) spent at the forces leave centre at Troodos were high points in our lives, the posting was like one long honeymoon.
My Wife and I have always maintained a deep love for Cyprus and for some years now it has been our aim to retire there, we visit regularly and visit with the family who we rented form in the 60s.
Please don't anyone blame us and the ex-pats for making Paphos what it is, Paphos is what local people have made it, that is bussiness and their choice nobody made them do it.

[Southerner]

miltiades, I could shake your right hand on THAT response, (you spoil it by associating me with the Arabs) but that is not to be unexpected since you seem to be stuck wtih that opinion, I must tell you that you are 'Wrong' when you make such an assessment of me.
Overall you have stated your views, you are perfectly entitled to do so and I can see nothing insulting in them.
I cannot fully agree with you but at least can understand your viewpoint, Good Luck and Best Wishes to you Sir.

Elkio for the record, the first thing that we did when we picked up our hire car on our first return visit to Cyprus in 1998? wasn't go to the tourist/ex pat districts, we drove around the backstreets into the Cypriot residential areas to the type of houses and environment that we used to live in.
I turned to my Wife and said "Do you know love, it seems so right to be back here", she replied "that's exactly how I feel".
No Matter how much Cyprus changes it will always be a second home to us and next year God willing out permanent home.
Miltiades with your last reply you have just made a friend and I sincerely hope to meet up with you one day.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I could shake your right hand on THAT response, (you spoil it by associating me with the Arabs) but that is not to be unexpected since you seem to be stuck wtih that opinion, I must tell you that you are 'Wrong' when you make such an assessment of me.

Overall you have stated your views, you are perfectly entitled to do so and I can see nothing insulting in them.


I cannot fully agree with you but at least can understand your viewpoint, Good Luck and Best Wishes to you Sir.

Eliko , are you a school teacher by any chance , you always appear to be rather patronising , however in spite of your views on a wide number of issues

I assure you that I do not wish to appear so miltiades, I do believe that I have apologised to you in the past for displaying (as you saw it) such tendencies, I write in accordance with my ability to do so, I consider myself to be quite a humble person and can usually get along with any nationality, a quality which is absolutely imperative in my day to day dealings with people less fortunate than myself.

Our conflicting views are the result of differing perceptions of the same incidents, I have suffered WITH the victims of certain situations, I have variously helped in relieving such suffering and have been commended for my efforts, THAT is why I can see through a great deal of underhandedness, particularly politically engineered, and have such strong views.

You have your style of writing, I have mine, please do not mis-interpret my meanings on account of your personal assessment of my character, I have informed you severally that you are' Way off Base' (Americanism), please excuse the pun.

[Eliko]

miltiades, I could shake your right hand on THAT response, (you spoil it by associating me with the Arabs) but that is not to be unexpected since you seem to be stuck wtih that opinion, I must tell you that you are 'Wrong' when you make such an assessment of me.
Overall you have stated your views, you are perfectly entitled to do so and I can see nothing insulting in them.
I cannot fully agree with you but at least can understand your viewpoint, Good Luck and Best Wishes to you Sir.

Elkio for the record, the first thing that we did when we picked up our hire car on our first return visit to Cyprus in 1998? wasn't go to the tourist/ex pat districts, we drove around the backstreets into the Cypriot residential areas to the type of houses and environment that we used to live in.
I turned to my Wife and said "Do you know love, it seems so right to be back here", she replied "that's exactly how I feel".
No Matter how much Cyprus changes it will always be a second home to us and next year God willing out permanent home.
Miltiades with your last reply you have just made a friend and I sincerely hope to meet up with you one day.

Southerner, I hope you have an enjoyable life here, I am sure you will, who knows what the future may bring ?.

You have expressed your views, I mine, we do not agree and that is not a bad thing since it gives us both 'Food for Thought' which is positive.

Whatever our opinions, I am sure we can agree that the 'scum' that has created mayhem over the face of the earth will not heed us, rather, they will be delighted to observe that the ordinary folk are in dispute with each other, THAT ensures that THEIR position is safe, don't you agree?.