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[Viewpoint]

The Mycenaean influence in Cyprus is testimony of the RIGHT way to influence people and spread one's culture whereas the Ottoman way is testimony of the WRONG way to go about it because it obviously failed miserably on Cyprus.

Murataga simply can not understand the difference between a great civilization and a big empire.

The great Greek civilization founded new cities on uninhabited land, and greatly developed the sciences and the arts. Other peoples simply adopted what the Greek civilization created, not because they were forced, but simply because it was good for them.

On the other hand the Turks were nomadic hordes of warriors who simply invaded and stole what others had created. They made a big empire by brute force, but thats about it.

Cyprus has benefited from the Greek civilization (just like the whole western world) while it suffered under the Ottoman oppression.

Man you have a phobia called Turkicphobia...its impossible to persuade you that they were just another empire just like the rest that faded away into history, get over it and over yourself you Turk hater.

[Piratis]

I just said the truth because Murataga tried to equate the way Greeks came to Cyprus and the way Cyprus was Hellenized, with the way the Turks came.

I don't hate "Turks", who I hate are those that invaded and illegally occupy my island thinking it still the middle ages and barbarian raids are still fine.

[halil]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus?

There is nothing complicated about this matter yet many are seemingly still confused. Indigenous means originating or occurring naturally in an area or environment.

The Turkish Cypriot people are the REMNANTS of the Ottoman invasion so there is NOTHING indigenous about them.

They DO NOT ORIGINATE and HAVE NOT OCCURRED NATURALLY from/on Cyprus but instead they first came to Cyprus UNINVITED in 1571.

Every single Turkish Cypriot should RECOGNISE, ACCEPT, and MEMORIZE the basic FACTS of Cyprus which are:

1. The Greek Cypriots are the ONLY indigenous people on the island of Cyprus.

2. The Greek Cypriots have a history on Cyprus spanning 10,000 years.

3. The oldest Greek Cypriot settlement found is older than that of anything ever found in Turkey or Greece.



Anyone who calls himself a CYPRIOT and expects to have any credibility and respect should first start by getting their basic facts right about Cyprus and that includes you VP.

Regards, GR.

G_R my dear friend:Purveyor of fine messages since 1571… it looks turkish too......!!!!!! ??????

There is a theory of evolution that states all people orignate from Africa. Even europena migrated from Africa to Europe. So how did Greek Cypriots end up in Cyprus? Are you not from the same place as everyone else on the planet? What does indigenous mean to you? You say that Turkish Cypriots have been in Cyprus since 1571 - does nt this make them indigenous yet? How many millions of years do you want them to live there before you recognise there rights as human beings. So you would like to send them away? But where to? And what about the Europeans should we send them back to Africa. And the Australians? Back to England? And the Americans how long have they lived in America? Less than Turkish Cypriots have lived on Cyprus İ am sure. And what about İsreal would you like to destroy that too? Or maybe you would like to stop thinking about things which are thousands of years in the past and look at making Cyprus and the world a better place for the future?

[Piratis]

Where did anybody said anything about "sending TCs back"?

What is said here is that Greek Cypriots are the indigenous Cypriot people who assimilated with the Greeks and all the other inhabitants of Cyprus, while on the contrary the TCs refused to assimilate with the Cypriot population and remained just Turks that live in Cyprus.

It is your right not to assimilate and you have the right to live in Cyprus as equal Cypriot citizens. But to demand that the Cypriots that have 1000s of years of history on this island should now gift to you a part of their island so you can Turkify it, well thats not your right.

[halil]

Where did anybody said anything about "sending TCs back"?

What is said here is that Greek Cypriots are the indigenous Cypriot people who assimilated with the Greeks and all the other inhabitants of Cyprus, while on the contrary the TCs refused to assimilate with the Cypriot population and remained just Turks that live in Cyprus.

It is your right not to assimilate and you have the right to live in Cyprus as equal Cypriot citizens. But to demand that the Cypriots that have 1000s of years of history on this island should now gift to you a part of their island so you can Turkify it, well thats not your right.

You say that Turkish Cypriots didn t want to assimilate but this is nt true Turkish cypriots learnt to speak Greek' they learnt about Greek Cypriot customs and cooking. They just wanted to keep their mother tongue and religion. İs that so bad? You say we took land to Turkify it but if Turkish Cypriots were nt being etnically cleansed then Turkish and Greek Cypriots could still live side by side today and not on the other side of a wall.

[Get Real!]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus?

There is nothing complicated about this matter yet many are seemingly still confused. Indigenous means originating or occurring naturally in an area or environment.

The Turkish Cypriot people are the REMNANTS of the Ottoman invasion so there is NOTHING indigenous about them.

They DO NOT ORIGINATE and HAVE NOT OCCURRED NATURALLY from/on Cyprus but instead they first came to Cyprus UNINVITED in 1571.

Every single Turkish Cypriot should RECOGNISE, ACCEPT, and MEMORIZE the basic FACTS of Cyprus which are:

1. The Greek Cypriots are the ONLY indigenous people on the island of Cyprus.

2. The Greek Cypriots have a history on Cyprus spanning 10,000 years.

3. The oldest Greek Cypriot settlement found is older than that of anything ever found in Turkey or Greece.



Anyone who calls himself a CYPRIOT and expects to have any credibility and respect should first start by getting their basic facts right about Cyprus and that includes you VP.

Regards, GR.

G_R my dear friend:Purveyor of fine messages since 1571… it looks turkish too......!!!!!! ??????

There is a theory of evolution that states all people orignate from Africa. Even europena migrated from Africa to Europe. So how did Greek Cypriots end up in Cyprus? Are you not from the same place as everyone else on the planet? What does indigenous mean to you? You say that Turkish Cypriots have been in Cyprus since 1571 - does nt this make them indigenous yet? How many millions of years do you want them to live there before you recognise there rights as human beings. So you would like to send them away? But where to? And what about the Europeans should we send them back to Africa. And the Australians? Back to England? And the Americans how long have they lived in America? Less than Turkish Cypriots have lived on Cyprus İ am sure. And what about İsreal would you like to destroy that too? Or maybe you would like to stop thinking about things which are thousands of years in the past and look at making Cyprus and the world a better place for the future?

Part of the official Turkish and TC policy, in case you haven’t noticed Halil, involves a cheap global attempt to UNDERMINE the history, inheritance, and indigenousness, of the Greek Cypriot people in order to make it appear as though Cyprus was some abandoned place for the taking lacking a source and destination, in order to justify their crimes, but nothing could be further from the truth as Historians and Archeologists worldwide agree on all THREE points I have made in this thread.

[Get Real!]

There is a theory of evolution that states all people orignate from Africa.

Without intending to derail this thread...

When Turkey is ready to abandon her Turkic history, inheritance, and indigenousness and opt for an Ethiopian/Eritrean ethnic background; the oldest civilization found in the world, you may come and ask me to do that also.

In the meantime, I would ask that you and every other TC respect my Cypriot history, inheritance, and indigenousness. Thank you.

[Murataga]

There is a theory of evolution that states all people orignate from Africa.

Without intending to derail this thread...

When Turkey is ready to abandon her Turkic history, inheritance, and indigenousness and opt for an Ethiopian/Eritrean ethnic background; the oldest civilization found in the world, you may come and ask me to do that also.

In the meantime, I would ask that you and every other TC respect my Cypriot history, inheritance, and indigenousness. Thank you.

It has been prooven that you are not and exposed that you are lying about Greek Cypriots being indegenous and being in Cyprus for 10000 years. You are settlers that have come here much less than 10k years. Stop lying.

[eracles]

TCs and GCs are evry much the same I thought in DNA structure. We look similar (excluding mongolian looking turkish settlers) and there's one piece of irrefutable eveidence that points to our shared ancestry...our beta thallasaemia trait.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entre ... t=Abstract

"Nearly identical percentages were observed for the two Cypriot groups, quite different from those for beta-thalassaemia patients from Greece and Turkey. This suggests close contacts between the two Cypriot communities during many centuries without a major recent influence from Greek or Turkish beta-thalassaemia carriers."

How do you explain that one then mr "there are two different peoples in cyprius" murataga.
No, there are 4 meddling, peddling nations who can't stop poking their sweaty fingers into Cyprus pie, look at us in the early 1940s, 50s, 60s - we could have been from medieval times for gods sake - ripe for manipulation by greedy and corrupt nations and religions...

I always wondered if the TCs were just GCs that sold out to the Ottoman empire for tax reasons TBH but I know I'm probably way off the mark

[paliometoxo]

i found that me and this turkish cypriot i am friends with we are very much alike in the way we think. we get on very well and hes a nice guy