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[bigOz]

The term indigenous is used to describe the native (race) belonging to a geographical area. These include the examples such as:

Chinese being indigenous to Eastern Asia covering China
American Red Indians being indigenous to North America
South American Indians being indigenous to South America
Black people being indigenous to Africa
Blond haired blue/green eyed Europeans being indigenous to North Europe
Aborigenes being indigenous to Australia

Hey Banana brains, you forgot to add the Cypriots to your little list!

Where are the indigenous Cypriots today?

Did they immigrate to Papua New Guinea?

Did they flee to Pakistan?

Did the get a one-way ticket to Honolulu?

Did they drown when Atlantis went down?

Did they get eaten up by dinosaurs?

Which of the above happened to the indigenous Cypriots?

If you cannot answer this question then you do NOT have an argument because these people must be SOMEWHERE today!

Hey! fucking birdbrains! I can ask the same question as you did if I was as ignorant about the meaning of the word. So who and where are the Indigenous people of Turkey, Crete, England, Iraq, Peru, or Balkans for that matter.

Find me a quote about the description of what an indigenous Cypriot is (if it exists) and I'll tell you what happened to them. There is nothing that says every country had "indigenous people" living in it. You are so fucking thick you still cannot the difference between nations, descendants and indigenous people! I did not invent the fucking word "indigenous" but at least I do not try and change its actual meaning to suit my arguments as you did when you started this thread!

[alexISS]

Ther is no Nationality, race or a Nation as a Greek Cypriot so how can they be defined as indigenous to anything???

The Greek Cypriots are unique. They are different than the mainland Greeks, they are different than the Turks, they are unique to Cyprus. Whatever you consider the Greek Cypriots to be, they, in their current "form", appeared in Cyprus and only there, and that's why they are indigenous to it

[Get Real!]

Fucking idiot of a cockroach Kifeas! The meaning of the word indigenous is not "my definition" but the many dictionaries' as quoted! You are so fucking thick you cannot even see that in what you read!

For starters, you WISH you had half of Kifeas' IQ so don't get too excited Barnacle brains.

Ther is no Nationality, race or a Nation as a Greek Cypriot so how can they be defined as indigenous to anything???

You now introduce a new INVENTED theory for "indigenous"! Did the Australian Aboriginals or American Indians have a "nation" and "nationality" to be called indigenous?

There is no correlation between what constitutes a “nation” and what makes a people “indigenous” so quit confusing a simple matter further.

[Kikapu]

BibOz, why do you even bother to answer such silly people who make silly comments.

That's why I'm staying out of these topics on who is Indigenous and who is not.

We are all Cypriots and that's good enough for me.

Are you implying that indigenous people are "silly" and should therefore not be discussed but dismissed?

Is this a result of having lived in the states, a country that ethnically cleansed the indigenous people of America to near extinction?

GR,

I was not referring to the indigenous people of being "silly" but the comments made here by Marz on what he said in the highlighted areas below.

As for the the demise of the large population of the Native Americans, the ethnic cleansing was done by the White Europeans before America was ever established, as the America we know today.

You can all discuss about who is Indigenous and who is not until the cows come home. When I'm asked where I'm from, it takes me about 10 minutes to tell them, so that they understand, because I have to give them my time in Cyprus, then the war, then my time in the UK and then my time in the USA. If I then want to go into the Indigenous aspect of all those from these lands that I have become a citizens of, then I'm going to need an hour to explain to people as to where I come from.

I'm from Cyprus and that makes me a Cypriot. Beyond that, I really do not care and neither the person who may ask me where I'm from..

Marz wrote:
Muratag, tell us since you are very wealthy in the knowlege of history, if greek Cypriots arent indigenous to Cyprus, then the TC are definetely not, since you originated from Turkey, who really originated from the Desert cavemen of Mongolia.If we arent who is then you tell us who those people were that were on the island 10,000 years ago because it definetely wasnt any Turk.
so ill wait for you to tell me.

[CopperLine]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus ? Does it matter, or when and how does it matter ? If the prefix Turkish before Cypriot refers to language and the prefix Greek before Cypriot refers to Hellenic Cyprus then consider this :

If the minimal definition of Hellenic culture is language and religion - Greek and Orthodox - and the numerical majority of Cypriots are part and parcel of hellenic culture, and then one says to that 'you don't have to leave Cyprus if you're Turkish Cypriot, just assimilate as a Cypriot', what real choices do I have if the language of my house is Turkish, and the religion of my home is Muslim ? I can lose Cyprus and being a Cypriot by going, say, to Turkey; or I can lose my language and religion by remaining in Cyprus. Either way I've lost something extremely precious. Remember the humanitarian disaster that was the 1922-23 'population exchange' between Greece and Turkey all in the (confused and contradictory) name of language and religion. All peoples lost.

If on the other hand the speaking and teaching of Turkish was supported across the island (similarly that the teaching and speaking of Greek), if mosque and church were actually open to all (personally I'm an atheist so am not too keen on promoting religious mumbo-jumbo, but I love religious architecture) then the inherent dangers of assimilation could give way to a richer multiculturalism.

Have a listen to Nina Simone's brilliant civil rights song, "Missisippi goddam', [find a version here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LOkNUaLjT4 and a longer one here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckarOiWLLtY ] [/size] it is telling how the Cyprus problem is strikingly reminiscent of the 1860-1960s US civil rights struggle -

"you don't have to live next to me
just give me my equality

[Get Real!]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus ? Does it matter, or when and how does it matter ? If the prefix Turkish before Cypriot refers to language and the prefix Greek before Cypriot refers to Hellenic Cyprus then consider this :

Why don't you start a new thread called "Indigenousness doesn't matter to me" and post there because it OBVIOUSLY matters to some of us. If you’re curious I have already explained the “why” in this same thread if you care to find and read it.

I’d appreciate it if you quit trying to tell me and others that our inheritance is not important!

Thank you very much.

[bigOz]

Fucking idiot of a cockroach Kifeas! The meaning of the word indigenous is not "my definition" but the many dictionaries' as quoted! You are so fucking thick you cannot even see that in what you read!

For starters, you WISH you had half of Kifeas' IQ so don't get too excited Barnacle brains.

Ther is no Nationality, race or a Nation as a Greek Cypriot so how can they be defined as indigenous to anything???

You now introduce a new INVENTED theory for "indigenous"! Did the Australian Aboriginals or American Indians have a "nation" and "nationality" to be called indigenous?

There is no correlation between what constitutes a “nation” and what makes a people “indigenous” so quit confusing a simple matter further.

First of all the if the (sick) brains of you and Kifeas put together can be measured by your sperm-count, you are both brain dead!

As for you useless twisting and turning, of course there is a correlation of ingeniousness with members of some specific nations/nationalities, since these people live in some form of a country! The keyword you are ignoring here is "race" and the nation in terms of the collection of people belonging to a race as in the example of native Americans often being referred to as "Indian Nation" in history books!

The reason I quoted nationality and nation in this context besides "race" is to show you that you are suggesting ingeniousness to a non-existent entity (in those terms) called Greek Cypriot. GCs are an ethnic majority and TCs are an ethnic minority besides few other minorities in the island. They are both descendants of a mixture of ethnicity's that existed for many millenia and neither are indigenous to Cyprus in any real meaning of the word!

You still have not answered my accusations and questions regarding Greek Cypriot Settlements, and Greek Cypriot culture that existed before the cultures in Greece and Turkey! Until you have an answer to those flawed allegations I have no intentions of taking any of your claims seriously...

[free_cyprus]

I WONDER WHY SOMEONE DONT JUST TELL THE TRUTH REGARDING CYPRUS AND WHO WE ARE, WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY WE ARE GREEKS AND TURKS, .......................WE ARE SIMPLY CYPRIOTS,WE SPEAK THOSE LANGUAGES BUT WE ARE NOT GREEKS OR TURKS, HOW THE FUCK CAN WE BE GREEKS AND TURKS WHEN WE ARE AN ISLAND OF BASTARDS, HOW CAN WE BE WHEN WE HAVE BEEN INVADED RAPED AND MURDERED BY EVERY POWER IN HISTORY, AND YOUR TELLING ME WE ARE TURKS AND GREEKS, AT LEAST BE INTELLINEBT ENOUGH TO SEE THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH IS WE ARE AN ISLAND OF BASTARDS WAVING GREEK AND TURKISH FLAGS BECOUSE WE NO NOT BETTER......................................................................I CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE REPLY IS GOING TO BE TO MY WONDERFUL ARTICLE HERE

[Piratis]

CopperLine, why are you inventing things in order to make Greek Cypriots look bad? Do you live or have any connection with the occupied areas by any chance?

Who ever said that TCs have to assimilate, change their language or religion or leave Cyprus? Why are you putting words in our mouth??

What we said is that there is one Cypriot people and TCs can be part of this one Cypriot people (without the need to change their religion, culture etc). But as you understand we can not force them to be part of the one Cypriot people.

If they insist that there are "two peoples" in Cyprus, and that they have nothing to do with the rest of Cypriots and that they are actually the remnants of the Ottoman invadors, then they put themselves out of the one Cypriot people.

The continuation of illegalities and human rights violations in Cyprus are all due the illegal Turkish occupation of our island. So, lets end all the illegalities, lets restore the 100% of the rights of all Cypriots, and lets have in Cyprus a normal democratic multicultural country like the so many other that exists. Do you agree with that? If you do, then you should condemn those that support illegalities, and are trying to divide Cyprus into 2 parts by means of ethnic cleansing.

[CopperLine]

GetReal, I didn't say that "our inheritance is not important", as you allege. In fact I don't think I've used the word inheritance in my postings at all. All that I've been arguing is that I don't think the idea of 'indigenous' and trying to prove who is or who is not indigenous is very helpful. I've been arguing that ideas about indigenity tend to push people into asserting their pre-eminence, their ab-originality and their differences. Rather than provide a way of bringing people together, arguments about indigenity, tend to emphasise difference and irreconcilability.

In any case, I wasn't saying that indigenity is not important. In fact I asked a question 'does it matter, or when and how does it matter ?' which shows that I am interested and do think it important. The point is that different people at different times make a lot or a little of indegenity. I was just asking people generally - I'm curious, I don't have an agenda on this.

Now, if you want a discussion about 'inheritance' or claims on heritage then there's another story. At the moment I'll leave someone else to pick that hot potato up