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[bigOz]

I'll say it again, the notion of indigenousness is very vague, not a single human being is in fact indigenous (or autocthon) to the land it lives, because the whole human race originates from a single area somewhere in Africa. When we refer to people as indigenous we simply compare them to others that live in the same land. A tourist is not indigenous to Cyprus, nor is a Turkish settler or his child. People who have roots to the place, a culture that is connected to the land and a way of life in harmony with it, are indigenous. So, GCs and TCs are both indigenous to Cyprus, it's as simple as that

There is no arguments about the origins of human race. The term "indigenous" has a special meaning within a defined context when used. The meaning is very clear and precise and has nothing to do with the origins of human race or various settlers in different Geographical areas.

The latter is based on geological finds and is prone to change. An older skeleton discovered next year in China or South America may change the views of most anthropologists.

The term indigenous is used to describe the native (race) belonging to a geographical area. These include the examples such as:

Chinese being indigenous to Eastern Asia covering China
American Red Indians being indigenous to North America
South American Indians being indigenous to South America
Black people being indigenous to Africa
Blond haired blue/green eyed Europeans being indigenous to North Europe
Aborigenes being indigenous to Australia

and so on... I hope that makes it clearer now! I agree with and have been arguing with others to make them understand why Greeks (or Turks) are not indigenous to Cyprus, ending up with some annoyingly stupid replies and equally stupid questions in an effort to distort the blatant truth! Other than that I have no problems with the origin of peoples of different nations. In fact - does it matter?

[Piratis]

Other than that I have no problems with the origin of peoples of different nations. In fact - does it matter?

It matters when some try to use it in order to excuse ethnic cleansing, illegalities and the partition of Cyprus.

[bigOz]

Other than that I have no problems with the origin of peoples of different nations. In fact - does it matter?

It matters when some try to use it in order to excuse ethnic cleansing, illegalities and the partition of Cyprus.

Of which GCs had also been just as guilty of! In any case what has that got to do with the topic of this thread and the content of the post that started it?

[alexISS]

I'll say it again, the notion of indigenousness is very vague, not a single human being is in fact indigenous (or autocthon) to the land it lives, because the whole human race originates from a single area somewhere in Africa. When we refer to people as indigenous we simply compare them to others that live in the same land. A tourist is not indigenous to Cyprus, nor is a Turkish settler or his child. People who have roots to the place, a culture that is connected to the land and a way of life in harmony with it, are indigenous. So, GCs and TCs are both indigenous to Cyprus, it's as simple as that

There is no arguments about the origins of human race. The term "indigenous" has a special meaning within a defined context when used. The meaning is very clear and precise and has nothing to do with the origins of human race or various settlers in different Geographical areas.

The latter is based on geological finds and is prone to change. An older skeleton discovered next year in China or South America may change the views of most anthropologists.

The term indigenous is used to describe the native (race) belonging to a geographical area. These include the examples such as:

Chinese being indigenous to Eastern Asia covering China
American Red Indians being indigenous to North America
South American Indians being indigenous to South America
Black people being indigenous to Africa
Blond haired blue/green eyed Europeans being indigenous to North Europe
Aborigenes being indigenous to Australia

and so on... I hope that makes it clearer now! I agree with and have been arguing with others to make them understand why Greeks (or Turks) are not indigenous to Cyprus, ending up with some annoyingly stupid replies and equally stupid questions in an effort to distort the blatant truth! Other than that I have no problems with the origin of peoples of different nations. In fact - does it matter?

You are referring to the geographical origins of races, that's not what indigenousness refers to. Yes, the race that the Cypriot people (along with many other mediterranean peoples) belong to is not indigenous to Cyprus, but the Cypriot people are. It is a relative term.

[Kifeas]

I'll say it again, the notion of indigenousness is very vague, not a single human being is in fact indigenous (or autocthon) to the land it lives, because the whole human race originates from a single area somewhere in Africa. When we refer to people as indigenous we simply compare them to others that live in the same land. A tourist is not indigenous to Cyprus, nor is a Turkish settler or his child. People who have roots to the place, a culture that is connected to the land and a way of life in harmony with it, are indigenous. So, GCs and TCs are both indigenous to Cyprus, it's as simple as that

There is no arguments about the origins of human race. The term "indigenous" has a special meaning within a defined context when used. The meaning is very clear and precise and has nothing to do with the origins of human race or various settlers in different Geographical areas.

The latter is based on geological finds and is prone to change. An older skeleton discovered next year in China or South America may change the views of most anthropologists.

The term indigenous is used to describe the native (race) belonging to a geographical area. These include the examples such as:

Chinese being indigenous to Eastern Asia covering China
American Red Indians being indigenous to North America
South American Indians being indigenous to South America
Black people being indigenous to Africa
Blond haired blue/green eyed Europeans being indigenous to North Europe
Aborigenes being indigenous to Australia

and so on... I hope that makes it clearer now! I agree with and have been arguing with others to make them understand why Greeks (or Turks) are not indigenous to Cyprus, ending up with some annoyingly stupid replies and equally stupid questions in an effort to distort the blatant truth! Other than that I have no problems with the origin of peoples of different nations. In fact - does it matter?

Stupid bigOz, who said Greeks are indigenous to Cyprus?

We only said that Greek Cypriots are indigenous to Cyprus, and there is no question about it!

[Kifeas]

Stupid bigOz, let me ask you a question!
Are the North American Indians indigenous to North America? Are the Maya indigenous to Central America? Are the Incas indigenous to Peru? Are the Aztecs indigenous to Mexico?

According to all accounts and references, and I hope you also agree with it, the answer is yes, all the above are indigenous to the places I mentioned.

However, according to your stupid narrow definition of what an indigenous people is, no they shouldn't be!
You know why?
Because by all accounts, measures and studies, they are actually people that have moved from Eurasia to the Americas through what is now known as the Bering Strait. Therefore, all the above peoples are not indigenous to any of their mentioned historical lands.

I hope the above will eventually convince you of the fallacy of your claims regarding the appropriate definition of what constitutes an indigenous people, and will hopefully close the subject here!

[Get Real!]

So what is your conclusion now that you have had all your answers from here and ATCA GR? Any clearer in your head...??

Conclusion for Zan:

The FIRST people to have CONTACT with and INHABIT a land/territory are the INDIGENOUS people dear Zan and that is why the Australian aboriginals and the American Indians, to give just two examples, are recognized as the INDIGENOUS people of their respective countries.

By the same token a undetermined percentage of the Greek Cypriots today are direct descendants of ancient Cypriots and are thus the INDIGENOUS people of Cyprus.

We expect all Cypriots, TC or otherwise, to recognize and respect this important fact.

Regards, GR.

[Get Real!]

BibOz, why do you even bother to answer such silly people who make silly comments.

That's why I'm staying out of these topics on who is Indigenous and who is not.

We are all Cypriots and that's good enough for me.

Are you implying that indigenous people are "silly" and should therefore not be discussed but dismissed?

Is this a result of having lived in the states, a country that ethnically cleansed the indigenous people of America to near extinction?

[Get Real!]

The term indigenous is used to describe the native (race) belonging to a geographical area. These include the examples such as:

Chinese being indigenous to Eastern Asia covering China
American Red Indians being indigenous to North America
South American Indians being indigenous to South America
Black people being indigenous to Africa
Blond haired blue/green eyed Europeans being indigenous to North Europe
Aborigenes being indigenous to Australia

Hey , you forgot to add the Cypriots to your little list!

Where are the indigenous Cypriots today?

Did they immigrate to Papua New Guinea?

Did they flee to Pakistan?

Did the get a one-way ticket to Honolulu?

Did they drown when Atlantis went down?

Did they get eaten up by dinosaurs?

Which of the above happened to the indigenous Cypriots?

If you cannot answer this question then you do NOT have an argument because these people must be SOMEWHERE today!

[bigOz]

Stupid bigOz, let me ask you a question!
Are the North American Indians indigenous to North America? Are the Maya indigenous to Central America? Are the Incas indigenous to Peru? Are the Aztecs indigenous to Mexico?

According to all accounts and references, and I hope you also agree with it, the answer is yes, all the above are indigenous to the places I mentioned.

However, according to your stupid narrow definition of what an indigenous people is, no they shouldn't be!
You know why?
Because by all accounts, measures and studies, they are actually people that have moved from Eurasia to the Americas through what is now known as the Bering Strait. Therefore, all the above peoples are not indigenous to any of their mentioned historical lands.

I hope the above will eventually convince you of the fallacy of your claims regarding the appropriate definition of what constitutes an indigenous people, and will hopefully close the subject here!

The meaning of the word indigenous is not "my definition" but the many dictionaries' as quoted!
My explanation and the example given by the dictionary is very clear -

Ther is no Nationality, race or a Nation as a Greek Cypriot so how can they be defined as indigenous to anything???