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[paliometoxo]

alot of ppl in the south would say we are cypriots and the north is just turks who invaded our land

[Murataga]

alot of ppl in the south would say we are cypriots and the north is just turks who invaded our land...

According to YOU, perhaps. The recent history of the Island and the present day reality suggests otherwise...

From Cyprus Mail April 22, 2007 :

"...President of the Republic of Cyprus was elsewhere on July 14, 2006, while visiting Greece. In his speech to the Greek head of state, President Papadopoulos stated loyally: “We [Cyprus] do not want, nor do we seek to transfer the weight of our problems to the shoulders of Greece. But, we do want our Greek brothers to realise that we in Cyprus, as we resist Turkish expansionism and fight for the national and physical survival of Greek Hellenism, are forward defenders of Hellenism in its widest meaning and dimension.' "

[paliometoxo]

maybe but ive not met one person from close evn the teachers in the colleges say cypriot NOt GReek cypriot and say we are cypriot and the north turks only in the internet i see people use "greek/turkish-cypriot"

[Piratis]

When the Greeks first came to Cyprus the population of Cyprus was just a few 1000s people, most of the areas were uninhabited, and the concept of a "country" did not exist.

When the first Greeks came they founded new cities in Cyprus, they didn't steal the cities of anybody else. Then slowly slowly the rest of Cypriots adopted the superior Greek civilization and the result of assimilating Greeks, Cypriots and the other inhabitants of the island is what became known as "Greek Cypriots".

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Later on we had several other rulers like the Persians, the Romans, Francs etc. The populations of those rulers that were transfered to Cyprus were either assimilated and also became part of "Greek Cypriots" or left the island when their rule ended.

So the "Greek Cypriots" of today are the Cypriots. The Cypriots speak Greek and have a Hellenic culture due to the historical reasons mentioned above. The only reason we sometimes say "Greek Cypriots" instead of just Cypriots is to distinguish GCs from TCs. Otherwise we would just say Cypriots, like a Cretan says he is Cretan without the need to say that he is Greek Cretan.

Then this is how the Turks first came to Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

Just like every other foreign ruler the Turks were oppressive. The difference with the Turks is that unlike the populations of the other rulers, when their rule of Cyprus ended, they refused to assimilate into Cypriots. Then in recent years this Turkish minority was used by Britain and Turkey as a way to stop Cypriots achieving the liberation of their island.

Nobody said that TCs should leave from Cyprus. They can stay as equal Cypriot citizens because undoubtedly Cyprus is their own country as well. But they should also learn to respect the history of this island and resist the brainwashing that tries to make them to hate everything Hellenic.

[Murataga]

When the Greeks first came to Cyprus the population of Cyprus was just a few 1000s people, most of the areas were uninhabited, and the concept of a "country" did not exist.

When the first Greeks came they founded new cities in Cyprus, they didn't steal the cities of anybody else. Then slowly slowly the rest of Cypriots adopted the superior Greek civilization and the result of assimilating Greeks, Cypriots and the other inhabitants of the island is what became known as "Greek Cypriots".

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Later on we had several other rulers like the Persians, the Romans, Francs etc. The populations of those rulers that were transfered to Cyprus were either assimilated and also became part of "Greek Cypriots" or left the island when their rule ended.

So the "Greek Cypriots" of today are the Cypriots. The Cypriots speak Greek and have a Hellenic culture due to the historical reasons mentioned above. The only reason we sometimes say "Greek Cypriots" instead of just Cypriots is to distinguish GCs from TCs. Otherwise we would just say Cypriots, like a Cretan says he is Cretan without the need to say that he is Greek Cretan.

Then this is how the Turks first came to Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

Just like every other foreign ruler the Turks were oppressive. The difference with the Turks is that unlike the populations of the other rulers, when their rule of Cyprus ended, they refused to assimilate into Cypriots. Then in recent years this Turkish minority was used by Britain and Turkey as a way to stop Cypriots achieving the liberation of their island.

Nobody said that TCs should leave from Cyprus. They can stay as equal Cypriot citizens because undoubtedly Cyprus is their own country as well. But they should also learn to respect the history of this island and resist the brainwashing that tries to make them to hate everything Hellenic.

So you are settlers here by your own confession and you haven`t assimilated into the culture and habits of the people that were here before you... Thanks but we already knew that.

We don`t hate everything Hellenic (unlike individuals like you who hate everything Turkish). We only resist to have the Hellenic will imposed upon us and to live under the Hellenic leadership.

[theodore]

[quote="GorillaGal"]oh come on now.... this land is your land, this land is my land,
who can own land??? it is not ours to own. it is like owning sky, you can't own what is not yours. we were put here to love and to share.[/quote]

Will you like to give them N.Y.? I will not this is our land ... American land and they do not want to give there's... get it?....

[Murataga]

oh come on now.... this land is your land, this land is my land,
who can own land??? it is not ours to own. it is like owning sky, you can't own what is not yours. we were put here to love and to share.

Will you like to give them N.Y.? I will not this is our land ... American land and they do not want to give there's... get it?....

With one small difference: It is not their`s to give; it belongs to both of us. Unfortunately, we were enclaved, ambargoed and massacred for refusing to have the land that belonged to both of us to Greece. When we secured a part of this island to live securely, it was out of necessity for survival, not leisure.

[theodore]

[quote="paliometoxo"]alot of ppl in the south would say we are cypriots and the north is just turks who invaded our land[/quote]

... and this is a VERY TRUE statement did you all purchased that land or perhaps stiled it. Of course you all stolid it....is this right? This is the reason the world does not recognise you give it back in repented and then you will be recognise of your good action.

[Piratis]

Nobody imposed anything Hellenic on you. You are the ones who choose to come to Cyprus, we didn't force you to come here.

[Murataga]

Nobody imposed anything Hellenic on you. You are the ones who choose to come to Cyprus, we didn't force you to come here.

Of course they did and they still are.

We came to this island just the way you did: as settlers, i.e. after some people different than our`s were living in it.