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[Piratis]

Native indians are indeginous to North America but not the American citizens of today! The same applies to South America! Black people are indeginous to Africa but not the white citizens of South Africa. Because those people had not originated from there, they arrived in boats after few other civilistions had existed in those places!

Using your theory the "Native Indians" are not native either because all human beings originate from Africa.
But that is not the case. They are native, because they were the people naturally inhabiting America when the whites came and took their land by force. Reminds you of anything?

The same goes for Cyprus. Greek Cypriots (not Greeks) which are the result of the assimilation between Cypriots, Greeks and other people, are the native people of Cyprus. TCs could also be part of the native people if they show that they are Cypriots, not just in terms of current location, but in terms of origin as well.
However Murataga rejects this connection and claims that Turks who came to Cyprus during the Ottoman rule did not mix with Cypriots. If we accept what Murataga says then TCs can not have any kind of connection with the natives of this island.

[zan]

Native indians are indeginous to North America but not the American citizens of today! The same applies to South America! Black people are indeginous to Africa but not the white citizens of South Africa. Because those people had not originated from there, they arrived in boats after few other civilistions had existed in those places!

Using your theory the "Native Indians" are not native either because all human beings originate from Africa.
But that is not the case. They are native, because they were the people naturally inhabiting America when the whites came and took their land by force. Reminds you of anything?

The same goes for Cyprus. Greek Cypriots (not Greeks) which are the result of the assimilation between Cypriots, Greeks and other people, are the native people of Cyprus. TCs could also be part of the native people if they show that they are Cypriots, not just in terms of current location, but in terms of origin as well.
However Murataga rejects this connection and claims that Turks who came to Cyprus during the Ottoman rule did not mix with Cypriots. If we accept what Murataga says then TCs can not have any kind of connection with the natives of this island.

Greeks invaded the island first and then the Turks and then the Greeks tried again but this time did not wipe out those that have a legitamate claim to the island as well and so it goes on. Is that what you meant....?

[Piratis]

It seems that you can only navigate your way out of half the maze that you put your self in. If the TCs are not indeginous the same rule MUST apply to you and there fore niether are you as BigOz has stated. Follow the light....Follow the light......

The fact that we are native to Cyprus is undisputed. The question is if TCs are also native. So, are your ancestors the Turks that arrived to Cyprus less than 500 years ago (in which case you have no connection to the native population) or TCs are the result of something different (e.g. GCs changing religion) which can prove that you can be native as well?

[zan]

It seems that you can only navigate your way out of half the maze that you put your self in. If the TCs are not indeginous the same rule MUST apply to you and there fore niether are you as BigOz has stated. Follow the light....Follow the light......

The fact that we are native to Cyprus is undisputed. The question is if TCs are also native. So, are your ancestors the Turks that arrived to Cyprus less than 500 years ago (in which case you have no connection to the native population) or TCs are the result of something different (e.g. GCs changing religion) which can prove that you can be native as well?

Undisputed by whom? You?

[Piratis]

Greeks invaded the island first and then the Turks and then the Greeks tried again but this time did not wipe out those that have a legitamate claim to the island as well and so it goes on. Is that what you meant....?

I think you confused the Greek Civilization with the Barbarian Turks.
Here it is again for you:

First Greeks in Cyprus:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

First Turks in Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

[Piratis]

Undisputed by whom? You?

Anybody apart the Turks and their friends. Turks will dispute anything they don't like. Some more examples: The Armenian genocide, the oppression of the Kurds, the illegality of the "trnc" etc.

[zan]

Greeks invaded the island first and then the Turks and then the Greeks tried again but this time did not wipe out those that have a legitamate claim to the island as well and so it goes on. Is that what you meant....?

I think you confused the Greek Civilization with the Barbarian Turks.
Here it is again for you:

First Greeks in Cyprus:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

First Turks in Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

And here it is for you again...More recent and more apt...

Greece invaded in 74 and your leader Makarios called for outside help to get them out. In come the Turks.....I thought you had had enough of reading that speach by Makarios???????

[Piratis]

About 74 we heard your lame excuses a million times. The fact is that during our history the mass killings by 1000s or even 10s of thousands was done by the Turks, not the native population of this island which fall victim to the Turkish expansionism.

[Pyrpolizer]

It is equally the case that despite the fact that I argued that 'blood' arguments are scientific nonsense

scientifically the percentage of DNA match is the criterion to do human organ transplants in case you haven’t heard. There is a much higher possibility if you are Cypriot to find a donor from Cyprus (either GC or TC) than from abroad.

Nb We are not talking for full DNA match here, we are talking for high percentage match between GCs and TCs.

[zan]

About 74 we heard your lame excuses a million times. The fact is that during our history the mass killings by 1000s or even 10s of thousands was done by the Turks, not the native population of this island which fall victim to the Turkish expansionism.

Lame was the man I called uncle that got his leg shot off by a Greek sniper my friend. History is not an excuse.....Like you are trying to use it to justify your murders of inoccent Turkish Cypriots. You know the ones....The ones that are part and parcell of the first republic of Cyprus that ever existed.