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[Pyrpolizer]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus?

There is nothing complicated about this matter yet many are seemingly still confused. Indigenous means originating or occurring naturally in an area or environment.

The Turkish Cypriot people are the REMNANTS of the Ottoman invasion so there is NOTHING indigenous about them.

They DO NOT ORIGINATE and HAVE NOT OCCURRED NATURALLY from/on Cyprus but instead they first came to Cyprus UNINVITED in 1571.

Every single Turkish Cypriot should RECOGNISE, ACCEPT, and MEMORIZE the basic FACTS of Cyprus which are:

1. The Greek Cypriots are the ONLY indigenous people on the island of Cyprus.

2. The Greek Cypriots have a history on Cyprus spanning 10,000 years.

3. The oldest Greek Cypriot settlement found is older than that of anything ever found in Turkey or Greece.

Anyone who calls himself a CYPRIOT and expects to have any credibility and respect should first start by getting their basic facts right about Cyprus and that includes you VP.

Regards, GR.

Thank you Harry for that concise and accurate report. Perhaps we need to remind them again in detail about these facts. All they have to do is ask.

Sorry I have been away for so long GR but I had seven glorious days in Cornwall with my family. We stayed in in a Building built in 1775 that resembled a castle and was built specifically for the study of the therapeutic values of seaweed. Ironic when I suffered all week with my back.

You should open more threads you know cause they say a lot about you. You make a statement but it is quite obvious that you are asking more than stating anything. You are showing us how much less you know than what you actually do. As usual you do not bother to think your ideas through before you post. I suppose it can be seen as cute in some quarters......


The answer to your question is in your statement and has always been there from the start. You very kindly explain to us what indigenous means and then then claim it for your selves when you quite clearly say that you only have a history of only 10,000 years on the island. How old is Cyprus again???????? Does that give you any clues??????? What happened to the people that were already there then???? Did you guys kill them off before we got there???

You also show how you are incapable of taking all the clues that are given to you in all the discussions that have taken place on this forum and others and putting two and two together. The blood line in both races has been discussed before and have been found to be similar if not identical but that does not meet with your requirements for total domination of the island or your theory in indigenous races so you have chosen to ignore it. Why is that I wonder?????

But this surely can't be the basis upon which rights are claimed.

Who said it was? The "indegeousness" discussion is just a response to those that say that in Cyprus there are two peoples. If there are indeed two peoples, and the invading Ottoman Turks never mixed up with the Cypriots that inhabited the island (as Murataga claims), then obviously the "TCs" are nothing more than Turks that now live in Cyprus, and have noting to do with the Cypriot population.

Our rights are crystal clear and are based on international law, human rights and the very simple fact that we are legally the great majority at all parts of the island. Who is indigenous and who is not is just a side discussion and has very little to do with our rights.

Whether we mixed or did not has no significance on who we are. The blood line could come from external sources and say more about you than us. All you can say is that you might have been there longer than us and you are Greek and we Turkish by definition, end of story.

Phew...
I can never understand you Zan. So what are you trying to say here? That the Cypriots were genetically modified by Extraterestrials ?
Or that the Ottomans mixed their genes ONLY in Cyprus and nowhere else?

[zan]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus?

There is nothing complicated about this matter yet many are seemingly still confused. Indigenous means originating or occurring naturally in an area or environment.

The Turkish Cypriot people are the REMNANTS of the Ottoman invasion so there is NOTHING indigenous about them.

They DO NOT ORIGINATE and HAVE NOT OCCURRED NATURALLY from/on Cyprus but instead they first came to Cyprus UNINVITED in 1571.

Every single Turkish Cypriot should RECOGNISE, ACCEPT, and MEMORIZE the basic FACTS of Cyprus which are:

1. The Greek Cypriots are the ONLY indigenous people on the island of Cyprus.

2. The Greek Cypriots have a history on Cyprus spanning 10,000 years.

3. The oldest Greek Cypriot settlement found is older than that of anything ever found in Turkey or Greece.

Anyone who calls himself a CYPRIOT and expects to have any credibility and respect should first start by getting their basic facts right about Cyprus and that includes you VP.

Regards, GR.

Thank you Harry for that concise and accurate report. Perhaps we need to remind them again in detail about these facts. All they have to do is ask.

Sorry I have been away for so long GR but I had seven glorious days in Cornwall with my family. We stayed in in a Building built in 1775 that resembled a castle and was built specifically for the study of the therapeutic values of seaweed. Ironic when I suffered all week with my back.

You should open more threads you know cause they say a lot about you. You make a statement but it is quite obvious that you are asking more than stating anything. You are showing us how much less you know than what you actually do. As usual you do not bother to think your ideas through before you post. I suppose it can be seen as cute in some quarters......


The answer to your question is in your statement and has always been there from the start. You very kindly explain to us what indigenous means and then then claim it for your selves when you quite clearly say that you only have a history of only 10,000 years on the island. How old is Cyprus again???????? Does that give you any clues??????? What happened to the people that were already there then???? Did you guys kill them off before we got there???

You also show how you are incapable of taking all the clues that are given to you in all the discussions that have taken place on this forum and others and putting two and two together. The blood line in both races has been discussed before and have been found to be similar if not identical but that does not meet with your requirements for total domination of the island or your theory in indigenous races so you have chosen to ignore it. Why is that I wonder?????

But this surely can't be the basis upon which rights are claimed.

Who said it was? The "indegeousness" discussion is just a response to those that say that in Cyprus there are two peoples. If there are indeed two peoples, and the invading Ottoman Turks never mixed up with the Cypriots that inhabited the island (as Murataga claims), then obviously the "TCs" are nothing more than Turks that now live in Cyprus, and have noting to do with the Cypriot population.

Our rights are crystal clear and are based on international law, human rights and the very simple fact that we are legally the great majority at all parts of the island. Who is indigenous and who is not is just a side discussion and has very little to do with our rights.

Whether we mixed or did not has no significance on who we are. The blood line could come from external sources and say more about you than us. All you can say is that you might have been there longer than us and you are Greek and we Turkish by definition, end of story.

Phew...
I can never understand you Zan. So what are you trying to say here? That the Cypriots were genetically modified by Extraterestrials ?
Or that the Ottomans mixed their genes ONLY in Cyprus and nowhere else?

Sorry to have to break this possible reality to you Pyro but you could be more Turkish than you are Greek and I suppose to phobics like you that might be the same as coming from outer space...

[Pyrpolizer]

The DNA does no homogenise in just 300 years unless there was a huge scale bastardisation. We do have evidence of bastardisation but that's for GCs converting to islam and back to Chitsianity after the British took over. Imo unless the todays TCs were in their vast majority GCs there is no way for the DNA to have been identical and so distinctively different than that of mainland Greeks/Turks.

[zan]

Are Turkish Cypriots indigenous to Cyprus?

There is nothing complicated about this matter yet many are seemingly still confused. Indigenous means originating or occurring naturally in an area or environment.

The Turkish Cypriot people are the REMNANTS of the Ottoman invasion so there is NOTHING indigenous about them.

They DO NOT ORIGINATE and HAVE NOT OCCURRED NATURALLY from/on Cyprus but instead they first came to Cyprus UNINVITED in 1571.


Every single Turkish Cypriot should RECOGNISE, ACCEPT, and MEMORIZE the basic FACTS of Cyprus which are:

1. The Greek Cypriots are the ONLY indigenous people on the island of Cyprus.

2. The Greek Cypriots have a history on Cyprus spanning 10,000 years.

3. The oldest Greek Cypriot settlement found is older than that of anything ever found in Turkey or Greece.

Anyone who calls himself a CYPRIOT and expects to have any credibility and respect should first start by getting their basic facts right about Cyprus and that includes you VP.

Regards, GR.

Thank you Harry for that concise and accurate report. Perhaps we need to remind them again in detail about these facts. All they have to do is ask.

Sorry I have been away for so long GR but I had seven glorious days in Cornwall with my family. We stayed in in a Building built in 1775 that resembled a castle and was built specifically for the study of the therapeutic values of seaweed. Ironic when I suffered all week with my back.

You should open more threads you know cause they say a lot about you. You make a statement but it is quite obvious that you are asking more than stating anything. You are showing us how much less you know than what you actually do. As usual you do not bother to think your ideas through before you post. I suppose it can be seen as cute in some quarters......


The answer to your question is in your statement and has always been there from the start. You very kindly explain to us what indigenous means and then then claim it for your selves when you quite clearly say that you only have a history of only 10,000 years on the island. How old is Cyprus again???????? Does that give you any clues??????? What happened to the people that were already there then???? Did you guys kill them off before we got there???

You also show how you are incapable of taking all the clues that are given to you in all the discussions that have taken place on this forum and others and putting two and two together. The blood line in both races has been discussed before and have been found to be similar if not identical but that does not meet with your requirements for total domination of the island or your theory in indigenous races so you have chosen to ignore it. Why is that I wonder?????

But this surely can't be the basis upon which rights are claimed.

Who said it was? The "indegeousness" discussion is just a response to those that say that in Cyprus there are two peoples. If there are indeed two peoples, and the invading Ottoman Turks never mixed up with the Cypriots that inhabited the island (as Murataga claims), then obviously the "TCs" are nothing more than Turks that now live in Cyprus, and have noting to do with the Cypriot population.

Our rights are crystal clear and are based on international law, human rights and the very simple fact that we are legally the great majority at all parts of the island. Who is indigenous and who is not is just a side discussion and has very little to do with our rights.

Whether we mixed or did not has no significance on who we are. The blood line could come from external sources and say more about you than us. All you can say is that you might have been there longer than us and you are Greek and we Turkish by definition, end of story.

Phew...
I can never understand you Zan. So what are you trying to say here? That the Cypriots were genetically modified by Extraterestrials ?
Or that the Ottomans mixed their genes ONLY in Cyprus and nowhere else?

Sorry to have to break this possible reality to you Pyro but you could be more Turkish than you are Greek and I suppose to phobics like you that might be the same as coming from outer space...

Pyro wrote:

The DNA does no homogenise in just 300 years unless there was a huge scale bastardisation. We do have evidence of bastardisation but that's for GCs converting to islam and back to Chitsianity after the British took over. Imo unless the todays TCs were in their vast majority GCs there is no way for the DNA to have been identical and so distinctively different than that of mainland Greeks/Turks.

See above

[Pyrpolizer]

Sorry to have to break this possible reality to you Pyro but you could be more Turkish than you are Greek and I suppose to phobics like you that might be the same as coming from outer space...

Hmmm it doesn't bother me one bit if that would make you feel better. The odds however are that you are more Greeks than Turks. I hope that possibility doesn't bother you either.

[Pyrpolizer]

Zan have you seen my recent post regarding Ayios Ioannis village in Paphos which was a purely TC village? Do you happen to know how many purely TC villages had GREEK names before 1974? A little search will not hurt you.

[Piratis]

The real Turks are Asians with looks very similar to the ones of Mongols. I think based on that we can easily identify if any of us has any Turkish blood in him. Personally I look like a native Mediterranean/Caucasian person, not like Mongols who are not native to our area. What about you Zan?

[alexISS]

The real Turks are Asians with looks very similar to the ones of Mongols. I think based on that we can easily identify if any of us has any Turkish blood in him. Personally I look like a native Mediterranean/Caucasian person, not like Mongols who are not native to our area. What about you Zan?

I think that people in eastern Turkey indeed have more "asiatic" characteristics than the Istanbulites or the Turks of Asia Minor. Like the facial characteristics of, say, Deniz Baykal

[Pyrpolizer]

Erdogan looks like a Cypriot though. Although he is tall while most Cypriots are short.

[alexISS]

most Cypriots are short.

Because Cypriots are islanders, it's the same case with most Greek islanders, they are shorter than the mainlanders