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[iceman]

On the 20th of July,after spending three hours shopping in Nicosia,while driving on Makarios Avenue,Yucedal familys car was attacked by about 200 GC's who were protesting the 20th of July aniversary...While driving in trafic,their car was attacked by these protesters kicking the car and using flag poles,bottles and sticks to hit the vehicle..
luckily the traffic was not very busy on Makarios Avenue so they managed to speed away.
Mete Yucedal has said,since the checkpoints have opened they had been crossing over frequently for shopping but after this incident they will not be crossing over again.
Esra Yucedal said,we were attacked from the passenger side of the car where i was sitting..I was shocked and terrified,they swore abuse and spat all over me..cannot describe the nightmare we went through..but the worst was seeing the police watching everything and not reacting at all...I will never be crossing over again and do not want any peace with these people..
Tamer Yucedal has said,"I have arrived from London through Larnaca 10 days ago..I have been using Larnaca since the checkpoints opened,but after this incident i will not be using Larnaca anymore:ı will cancel may return ticket and travel back to London from the north..I will be telling this bad experience to newspapers when i get back to London..I dont know how these people were accepted into EU...
We,as a family have been firm supporters of peace & unification in Cyprus but now i see it is not possible to have peace with these people"..

Kıbris newspaper has noted that on the same day,smaller but similar other incidents were reported to the newspaper by phone..

thx iceman...don't thik i'd trust anyone elses's translation.

This is a story of a family who has had there car vandalised by a bunch of thugs on the anniversary of the invasion. Looks like the tc car went straight into their demonstration.

WHile i condemn this and the idiots that vandalised that car i have a few points to make.

1) The anniversary of the invasion is the most sensitive of days. Memories of getting kicked out of your house and 6000 gc's dead make not a pleasant day. Especially when you know the other side is celebrating on your tragedy.
2) We have thugs over here like there are thugs over there (Grey Wolves have a party now from what I see....3rd biggest) Hrisi Avgi has been made illegal here and in Greece however there are still 20-30 of them around.
3) "TC family got beaten up in Makariou" is not what has happened here as VP quotes. They drove into a anti-occupation rally on the day of the invasion and a number of thugs started beating their car with flags. (according to kibris)
4) I apologise for the idiots that did this yet wonder if VP would apologise if the Grey Wolves sprung up on a GC car.....

I totally agree with you DT and also condemn this incident....This was an unfortunate incident caused by extremist thugs and i would not put the blame on the whole of GC community...
The TC car happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when the demonstration was taking place..
Similar incident could have happened anywhere including north...When these extremist demonstrators form a crowd they get courageous anywhere and start attacking even their own kind.

I also condemn the behaviour of the police...They should have taken action..this is the only difference had the same incident happened in north..Police would definitely get involved and protect the victims..

My workshop in Kyrenia is across the road from The Colony Hotel and Casino and opposite three tyre repair shops..two minutes walk from the largest car park in Kyrenia..I have witnessed on many occasions GC cars being vandalised by thugs and their car tyres slashed..
So,when i have Cypriot visitors from the south i make sure i park their cars where it is safe...
But also when i visit my Cypriot friends from the south to go out in the evening,they insist i park my car at their house and travel in their car to avoid any vandalising to my car that would cause an embarrassment to them...
Unfortunately these things happen all over Cyprus.

[iceman]

I think an apology by those who accused the source of this thread as a "liar" and used insulting language would now be very appropriate!

All the people were asking for was a link to the story. Besides, the fact that this story did not make it to frontpage in all the press is enough to doubt its accuracy. No eyewitnesses, just the testimony of the "victims" which could be very inaccurate if not completely false

Alexis
there is no reason to doubt this unfortunate incident...Since there was no TC press present at the demonstration i hardly thing GC press would make news out of this embarrassing incident

[alexISS]

I think an apology by those who accused the source of this thread as a "liar" and used insulting language would now be very appropriate!

All the people were asking for was a link to the story. Besides, the fact that this story did not make it to frontpage in all the press is enough to doubt its accuracy. No eyewitnesses, just the testimony of the "victims" which could be very inaccurate if not completely false

Alexis
there is no reason to doubt this unfortunate incident...Since there was no TC press present at the demonstration i hardly thing GC press would make news out of this embarrassing incident

This report is one-sided, only the view of the "victims" is presented. That's enough for me to have doubts, who knows, maybe the car driver provoked the crowd in some way, surely if he did he wouldn't mention it.

[iceman]

I think an apology by those who accused the source of this thread as a "liar" and used insulting language would now be very appropriate!

All the people were asking for was a link to the story. Besides, the fact that this story did not make it to frontpage in all the press is enough to doubt its accuracy. No eyewitnesses, just the testimony of the "victims" which could be very inaccurate if not completely false

Alexis
there is no reason to doubt this unfortunate incident...Since there was no TC press present at the demonstration i hardly thing GC press would make news out of this embarrassing incident

This report is one-sided, only the view of the "victims" is presented. That's enough for me to have doubts, who knows, maybe the car driver provoked the crowd in some way, surely if he did he wouldn't mention it.

c'mon alexis..you know as well as i do the number plates on a TC car is enough to provoke this behavior in the heat of the demonstration..
No one is stupid enough to provoke an angry demonstrating crowd of thugs..

[alexISS]

c'mon alexis..you know as well as i do the number plates on a TC car is enough to provoke this behavior in the heat of the demonstration..
No one is stupid enough to provoke an angry demonstrating crowd of thugs..

Of course it is, I never said the GCs are saints. I only said that the report is one sided and therefore not trustworthy, that's all.

So, this story could be true but we don't know if it is, especially the part about the police doing nothing

[humanist]

It is tottally unacceptable as far as am concerned ............. the governement has to enforce that crimes such as this are to be reported by witness and that the offenders will have to serve a very heavy gaol sentence, and ther family rediculed on public tv.

yaidouria tou thromou

My apologies to the Yusedal family, for the actions of these morons.

[bigOz]

I think an apology by those who accused the source of this thread as a "liar" and used insulting language would now be very appropriate!

All the people were asking for was a link to the story. Besides, the fact that this story did not make it to frontpage in all the press is enough to doubt its accuracy. No eyewitnesses, just the testimony of the "victims" which could be very inaccurate if not completely false

alexISS my friend, my English is perfect and I am well aware of what "all people" have written or implied! The story would not make the front page in all the press because some press has political views which rather brush such events under the carpet in the present climate of looking for ways of living together!

I think you are wrong in dismissing the report or at least implying that it did not take place, because - whatever its political views are - Kibris Newspaper is the most popular and professionally produced newspaper in the North, and is not known to report anything untrue.
DT wrote:

2) We have thugs over here like there are thugs over there (Grey Wolves have a party now from what I see....3rd biggest)
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4) I apologise for the idiots that did this yet wonder if VP would apologise if the Grey Wolves sprung up on a GC car.....

Of course DT, we have similar thugs on our side just as any other country has. But the fact remains, no Greek car was attacked in such a way in TRNC, although many GCs have crossed over! I have witnessed one particular GC from London complaining in CF that when a TC policeman stopped them for speeding and looked at the driver's licence, he gave them a bad look (?) - if that was important enough for him to make a big deal out of and be applauded by others in this forum, then God help us if their car was smashed to bits and the TC policeman looked the other way!

As for your last question - if any thugs on the TC side were to attack a GC car in the same manner, not only the TC police would rush in to stop it, but many individuals from the public (including myself if I was there) would dive onto the assailants to pull them off the vehicle, probably telling them off with a few slaps for good measure, and attending the assaulted to comfort them!

[bigOz]

It is tottally unacceptable as far as am concerned ............. the governement has to enforce that crimes such as this are to be reported by witness and that the offenders will have to serve a very heavy gaol sentence, and ther family rediculed on public tv.

yaidouria tou thromou

My apologies to the Yusedal family, for the actions of these morons.

Humanist you've toush the exact point I was making many moons ago when I said in a different post we need a period of strong Federal authority on both sides, where thugs as such can be dealt with! Heavy prison sentences and public denouncements would soon put the general public on the right tracks as to what is acceptable and what is not, in a future united Cyprus.

That will then provide the mutual trust we have all being going on about all this time...

[Piratis]

Did the TCs apologize for the murders of Isaak and Solomou in 1996 because they dared to demonstrate against the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey?

From what I remember VP excused those murders and now he expects apology because somebody's car was scratched?

And as alexISS said the article from the Turkish newspaper is one sided one. TCs always like to exaggerate things in order to use them for political reasons. VP exaggerated even more than the newspaper by saying that those people were "beaten up" even if no such claim is made, but I am sure that the original article is already an exaggeration over the exaggerated claim of those TCs. So the truth has nothing to do with what VP claimed.

[alexISS]

alexISS my friend, my English is perfect and I am well aware of what "all people" have written or implied!

What I meant was that they wrote what they wrote because of the lack of a link or source

The story would not make the front page in all the press because some press has political views which rather brush such events under the carpet in the present climate of looking for ways of living together!

You mean that there are TC media that would conceal the truth so that the RoC doesn't look bad?

I think you are wrong in dismissing the report or at least implying that it did not take place, because - whatever its political views are - Kibris Newspaper is the most popular and professionally produced newspaper in the North, and is not known to report anything untrue.

What I said is that the newspiece only shows the view of the "victim", so it can't be certain that it's true because it can't be certain that the "victim" said the truth, that's all!