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[zan]

It is unlike you to back me up????

[DT.]

not talking about TC people here. I'm talking about 15 Turkish soldiers arresting a family including a 9 year old.

[zan]

not talking about TC people here. I'm talking about 15 Turkish soldiers arresting a family including a 9 year old.

I know DT and that is the problem that I have been highlighting. Tense situations and tit for tat rubbish. I hope they let trhem go unharmed and quickly.

[DT.]

not talking about TC people here. I'm talking about 15 Turkish soldiers arresting a family including a 9 year old.

I know DT and that is the problem that I have been highlighting. Tense situations and tit for tat rubbish. I hope they let trhem go unharmed and quickly.

they did Zan...and i bet 50% of the GC's here read it but no one brought it up apart from me to prove this point. WHen the aim is just to startle as many people as possible into fearing something that is and can be controlled then not only is there no need to bring these things up but what would be the logic in exaggerating the matter as well into titles that talk of beaten up TC's in the middle of nicosia?

(damn grammar getting really bad.)

[Kikapu]

The more I think about this story, the more sense it's beginning to make. The fact that this story was buried on page 21, is because it really did not have anything newsworthy. Anytime there's a demonstration, you are going to have demonstrators banging on cars, shop windows, and so on. This Turkish family was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that no body was hurt, was the reason why it never made any meaningful news. As for the police not doing anything, what were they suppose to do, when no one was physically attacked, other than their cars. I have been to few demonstrations in the past in San Francisco, and the only thing the police does, is to monitor the march and make sure the demonstrators stay on the route intended for them. Unless there are serious danger to anyone or property, they just stay at a distance and watch. I got the feeling, there was only one police officer there. Did the officer even see the car license number to determine to be a TC car?. Since the whole event happened very quickly and they were able to speed away, who was the police officer suppose to arrest from the group of 200 demonstrators.? Did the family in fact report the incident to any other police officer later on, to at least get a police report on the damages done to the car.? I'm sure the family were frightened by the whole experience, but no body was hurt.

I apologise for not quoting the report word for word

I want to say few things to VP now. He apologised for not writing everything word for word in what the report said. VP did not forget to tell us anything from the report. What VP did, he added to the report. There is a difference when making the claim, that it was not word for word. What VP did was to add fuel to the fire or cry out "fire" in a crowded theater. VP did the most unthinkable by using the words "beaten up". This is why most people could not believe the story, because it just did not add up, and VP sat there and never corrected it. It is these kinds of intentional and deliberate statements that stir up hatred and mistrust. I have come to know VP very well over time, and this just about fits his MO. VP owes everyone an apology for making false statement, and secondly not coming forward to clear it up, until the evidence was given to us by Iceman. VP's apology for not telling the story word for word is meaningless, because he did not delete anything from the story, he just added to it to make it a story. Sounds like he has been taking lessons from Fanos. VP did not make a mistake, he made a false report.

Lets see if VP does the correct thing and apologise to everyone on this board for making a false statement.

I am not picking on you Kiks but just taking this post as an example of what is going on.

First you guys tell VP he is lying about the attacks and now you want to quantify it as being a minor thing. Soldiers being killed in Iraq are not even making the front page any more and those that are being bombed and masacred by the yanks are not even being mentioned so your statement of where this article was published does not hold water I am afraid. Could it just have been an editorial decision that maybe even came from higher up?????????

You can keep ignoring the anger and the violence that will happen at every twist and turn of the "Cyprob" but it will not go away and it could end up blowing up in our faces. Tread carefully...Your agenda is a dangerous game to play.

A family of TCs who went south on the 20//7 thinking they were safe and firm supporters of trusting GCs and reunification were beaten up and spat on by angry GCs, was this reported in your press?

K?br?s Newspaper 21/7/2007 Page 22 Names Esra Yucedal,Tamer Yucedal and Mete Yucedal Attack took place on Makarios Avenue 20/7/2007 There were about 200 protestors The police were there but they did nothing.

Why don't you scan the report and post it for us to see, if it's not available on the net..

Since you work with computers, this should be no trouble at all for you.

What you're saying may be true. I just want to know the exact translation on what had happened.

Welcome back Zan,

I do not have an agenda my friend, just wanted to get the facts straight. As you can see from above, I did not say VP was lying, just wanted to read the story on how it was translated, and sure enough, the translation by VP was embellished to say the least. Why are you not having a go at VP for injecting the words "beaten up", because had that happened, more than likely, it would have been in the GC median and no one would have questioned VP, and in fact, would have condemned the attack. One of the first things VP said on his initial post was, "did your GC press cover this crime" or something like that. Well, if the crime as described by VP never took place, then the press had no reason to cover it, hence the fact members did not get to read about it. A car getting banged on during a demonstration is hardly newsworthy, no matter who the occupants were. I'm almost certain, other cars got banged also, as the case is, in any demonstrations.

Please Zan, lets not bring Iraq into this equation, because it does not hold any water I'm afraid, as to why this story was buried on page 21. It was buried, because it did not have a meaningful news worthiness to it, and I believe the editor of the paper did the right thing, by placing it on page 21. Had the "beatings" occurred, I can assure you, it would have made page 2 if not page 1. Don't forget, the date was very symbolic to the story. VP just added words that never happened to "spice up" the story, that's all.

The point was that if soldiers in Iraq do not make the front page then why the hell should this. You guys are just trying to hide your embaressment because VP was right and the people were assaulted. It is as simple as that. I can understand why you are attacking him because of your history but the rest is pure bunkum I am afraid. The attack was racially motivated and agenda run which shows you the situation in Cyprus. Open up the boarders and dismiss our claims and both sides will get worse and that is also as simple as that. Turn your backs and ignore the truth and another war looms and the GCs are better armed this time round.

Zan,

The reason why the dead US soldiers do not make the front pages all the time, and they do when a large group does get killed, is the fact, they are dying every single bloody day. That would be nothing new and fresh to report on the front pages. How often do you get TC's getting "beaten up" or their car being trashed in a demonstration in the RoC ?. If the editors thought this was news worthty, it would have made it to the first 2 pages. As it happened, it ended up on page 21, because there was nothing there, there.!! VP made the story more than it was, so if there was any embarrassment, it is on VP I'm afraid. As it happens, he is still trying to make accusation of others for not condemning this story, when he should be apologising for "juicing up" the story with the words "beaten up".

How am I attacking VP, if all I'm doing is making him accountable to his statement. My history with VP is totally irrelevant when it comes to this topic, and for you to try to connect the two, as to give a "free pass" on what he did, is inexcusable.

If the attack occurred on the car, then it would be a politically motivated on this very particular day. Calling it Racially motivated is also jumping ahead of yourself, because I'm sure there were many TC's who had crossed over to work in the RoC that day, and we did not hear anyone personally being attacked.

We have enough problems in Cyprus without having to make up stories also, and not face the consequences, when confronted. What VP did was not an innocent mistake but an deliberate attempt to make the GC media look bad by not covering this story.

I do not have any illusions, that if there were to be peace, that there's never ever going to be any incidents between the TC's and the GC's no matter how minor or major the incidents may be. It will be ludicurous to suggest one can guard against such problems. If you think this is evidence enough that the two communities cannot be trusted to share the island together, then you will have to tell me also, that no such incidents happens in any other country in the world, including a all TC population right now in the "TRNC".

[Viewpoint]

You are just like the rest, why is it so difficult to say these protestors are utter morons and should be locked up, no one has the right to attack another person in this manner, all you are trying very hard to dillute the incident down to nothing in order to feel better about your side and their real face of waiting to get the upper hand just like Kifeas and Piratis. Why not just come out and say it these TCs that are liars and made the whole story up because we GCs are whiter than white and can do no wrong:lol:

VP, this is how we end up in checkmate - you want to inflate the incident to prove your point that we cannot live together. Don't be surprised if people dilute the event if you inflated it in the first place. I don't believe the incident is an indication what would happen in a free island - you think it is. There we go.

I agree it could be a lot worse as tis is just the tip of the iceberg with regards to pent up anger which will rear it head unless we have heavy safeguards do that people know exactly what they face if they should decide to cross that line, that goes for both TCs and GCs.

[Viewpoint]

It is unlike you to back me up????

Welcome back zan, great to have you back my friend.

[Viewpoint]

not talking about TC people here. I'm talking about 15 Turkish soldiers arresting a family including a 9 year old.

This is terrible news, were they let go? why were they arrested? are they ok?

[zan]

not talking about TC people here. I'm talking about 15 Turkish soldiers arresting a family including a 9 year old.

I know DT and that is the problem that I have been highlighting. Tense situations and tit for tat rubbish. I hope they let trhem go unharmed and quickly.

they did Zan...and i bet 50% of the GC's here read it but no one brought it up apart from me to prove this point. WHen the aim is just to startle as many people as possible into fearing something that is and can be controlled then not only is there no need to bring these things up but what would be the logic in exaggerating the matter as well into titles that talk of beaten up TC's in the middle of nicosia?

(damn grammar getting really bad.)

& @ Kikapu

I think you will agree that we are approaching the problem from different directions so the discrepancy on who is highlighting the incidents and who is not is obvious. The point I made a long time ago as to why there are not more insidents I will say once again and that is that no side is stupid enough to go accross the border and start trouble and get traped by the "RoC' police or the Turkish army. That is why the Turkish army is there. Remove the army and then we shall see. I hope that will not happen without a proper settlement. VP and I say that more violence will happen if the border is opened and there is no penence to be payed and you say there is no violence now so there will not be then. We will have to agree to disagree on that one and I hope we will never find out.

[Get Real!]

not talking about TC people here. I'm talking about 15 Turkish soldiers arresting a family including a 9 year old.

This is terrible news, were they let go? why were they arrested? are they ok?

You've started to sound like mother Teresa lately...