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[Kikapu]

The more I think about this story, the more sense it's beginning to make. The fact that this story was buried on page 21, is because it really did not have anything newsworthy. Anytime there's a demonstration, you are going to have demonstrators banging on cars, shop windows, and so on. This Turkish family was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that no body was hurt, was the reason why it never made any meaningful news. As for the police not doing anything, what were they suppose to do, when no one was physically attacked, other than their cars. I have been to few demonstrations in the past in San Francisco, and the only thing the police does, is to monitor the march and make sure the demonstrators stay on the route intended for them. Unless there are serious danger to anyone or property, they just stay at a distance and watch. I got the feeling, there was only one police officer there. Did the officer even see the car license number to determine to be a TC car?. Since the whole event happened very quickly and they were able to speed away, who was the police officer suppose to arrest from the group of 200 demonstrators.? Did the family in fact report the incident to any other police officer later on, to at least get a police report on the damages done to the car.? I'm sure the family were frightened by the whole experience, but no body was hurt.

I apologise for not quoting the report word for word

I want to say few things to VP now. He apologised for not writing everything word for word in what the report said. VP did not forget to tell us anything from the report. What VP did, he added to the report. There is a difference when making the claim, that it was not word for word. What VP did was to add fuel to the fire or cry out "fire" in a crowded theater. VP did the most unthinkable by using the words "beaten up". This is why most people could not believe the story, because it just did not add up, and VP sat there and never corrected it. It is these kinds of intentional and deliberate statements that stir up hatred and mistrust. I have come to know VP very well over time, and this just about fits his MO. VP owes everyone an apology for making false statement, and secondly not coming forward to clear it up, until the evidence was given to us by Iceman. VP's apology for not telling the story word for word is meaningless, because he did not delete anything from the story, he just added to it to make it a story. Sounds like he has been taking lessons from Fanos. VP did not make a mistake, he made a false report.

Lets see if VP does the correct thing and apologise to everyone on this board for making a false statement.

I am not picking on you Kiks but just taking this post as an example of what is going on.

First you guys tell VP he is lying about the attacks and now you want to quantify it as being a minor thing. Soldiers being killed in Iraq are not even making the front page any more and those that are being bombed and masacred by the yanks are not even being mentioned so your statement of where this article was published does not hold water I am afraid. Could it just have been an editorial decision that maybe even came from higher up?????????

You can keep ignoring the anger and the violence that will happen at every twist and turn of the "Cyprob" but it will not go away and it could end up blowing up in our faces. Tread carefully...Your agenda is a dangerous game to play.

A family of TCs who went south on the 20//7 thinking they were safe and firm supporters of trusting GCs and reunification were beaten up and spat on by angry GCs, was this reported in your press?

Kıbrıs Newspaper 21/7/2007 Page 22 Names Esra Yucedal,Tamer Yucedal and Mete Yucedal Attack took place on Makarios Avenue 20/7/2007 There were about 200 protestors The police were there but they did nothing.

Why don't you scan the report and post it for us to see, if it's not available on the net..

Since you work with computers, this should be no trouble at all for you.

What you're saying may be true. I just want to know the exact translation on what had happened.

Welcome back Zan,

I do not have an agenda my friend, just wanted to get the facts straight. As you can see from above, I did not say VP was lying, just wanted to read the story on how it was translated, and sure enough, the translation by VP was embellished to say the least. Why are you not having a go at VP for injecting the words "beaten up", because had that happened, more than likely, it would have been in the GC median and no one would have questioned VP, and in fact, would have condemned the attack. One of the first things VP said on his initial post was, "did your GC press cover this crime" or something like that. Well, if the crime as described by VP never took place, then the press had no reason to cover it, hence the fact members did not get to read about it. A car getting banged on during a demonstration is hardly newsworthy, no matter who the occupants were. I'm almost certain, other cars got banged also, as the case is, in any demonstrations.

Please Zan, lets not bring Iraq into this equation, because it does not hold any water I'm afraid, as to why this story was buried on page 21. It was buried, because it did not have a meaningful news worthiness to it, and I believe the editor of the paper did the right thing, by placing it on page 21. Had the "beatings" occurred, I can assure you, it would have made page 2 if not page 1. Don't forget, the date was very symbolic to the story. VP just added words that never happened to "spice up" the story, that's all.

[Viewpoint]

VP read in newspaper

"their car was attacked by these protesters kicking the car and using flag poles,bottles and sticks to hit the vehicle."

and decided to post a thread with the title..

"TC Family were beat up on Makarios Avenue"

I utterly condemn the behaviour of the protestors, even given our past, there's no excuse for it. But VP...why on earth did you use the title you did? Do you still think it's an accurate representation of what happened?

I applaud you for condemning the act which is deplorable and should be the main bone of contention. I have to admit that I may have recalled the story incorrctly when I made the post but I was trying to get full details scaned and posted when iceman beat me to it.

Do you feel the severity makes any difference to the fact that this can happen and does it bold well for a future union? I still feel that there is a lot of pent up anger on both sides, like a time bomb waiting to explode all it takes is 200 protesters to run riot or even fewer people to spark the flame that will rocket through our peaceful existence. Do you want to risk it and have you the right to push me in that direction?

[Viewpoint]

VP said

Isnt having your own GC state a benefit?

Isnt ruling yourselves a benefit?

Isnt having the TC element removed a benefit?

Isnt having the economic freedom a benefit?

I think you are missing the point you have gained and GC state will all the benefits that brings otherwise you would have had to have deal with a partnee who has veto rights.

In all honesty

NO ( I believe that Turkish Cypriots share the Island with all other Cypriot majority and minority groups) Only Greek Cypriot is a bit boring.

NO (I couldn't really careless, I would vote for a Turkish speaking Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot as President any day if I agreed with their policies and welfare legislations and human rights respects).

NO ( I love the fact that there is another aspect of Cyprus that I love and enjoy, language food dance dress)

YES (it has always been there, and would be happy to share with TC brothers/ sisters)

I have not missed a point, you have missed the point that a Greek speaking Cypriot can embrace and LOVE YOU and YOUR FAMILY as another CYPRIOT. Belive it or NOT I too say what I feel, when I feel it.

All the above are clear benefits to the GC people and you know denying or manipulating them to suit your aim is neither here nor there. The GCs have had a free hand at running the "RoC" and reeped the benefit of division, peaceful exsistence, sole recognition and controlling the south with all its natural resources single handedly.

Loving me or my family does not cut it humanists there has to be hard and fast rules applied to safeguard our safety and future if we shoudl decide to unite, Love can come later.

[humanist]

You have got me so wrong brother, take care

[kafenes]

If I was amongst the 200 protesters on that particular day and a car with TC number pates went passed, I would probably have called them names as well. But the whole story looks so exaggerated and from unreliable source and that's why the newspaper did not put it in the front pages. There was no reporter who saw it, just the word of the ones in the car. If the protesters hit the car with sticks and threw bottles then there would have been some damage to the car and they would publish some pictures. Obviously there was no damage to the vehicle.
She says they 'spat all over me', were they in a cabriolet? or did she have the window wide open and was hanging out of it. I would have thought the first thing they did when they saw the angry mob was to close their windows. I wonder if she did/will cancel her ticket and return to London from the north. I don't doubt something did happen but nowhere to the extend described.

[Viewpoint]

If I was amongst the 200 protesters on that particular day and a car with TC number pates went passed, I would probably have called them names as well. But the whole story looks so exaggerated and from unreliable source and that's why the newspaper did not put it in the front pages. There was no reporter who saw it, just the word of the ones in the car. If the protesters hit the car with sticks and threw bottles then there would have been some damage to the car and they would publish some pictures. Obviously there was no damage to the vehicle.
She says they 'spat all over me', were they in a cabriolet? or did she have the window wide open and was hanging out of it. I would have thought the first thing they did when they saw the angry mob was to close their windows. I wonder if she did/will cancel her ticket and return to London from the north. I don't doubt something did happen but nowhere to the extend described.

You are just like the rest, why is it so difficult to say these protestors are utter morons and should be locked up, no one has the right to attack another person in this manner, all you are trying very hard to dillute the incident down to nothing in order to feel better about your side and their real face of waiting to get the upper hand just like Kifeas and Piratis. Why not just come out and say it these TCs that are liars and made the whole story up because we GCs are whiter than white and can do no wrong:lol:

[kafenes]

Viewpoint wrote:

all you are trying very hard to dillute the incident down to nothing in order to feel better about your side

The same way all you are blowing the matter out of proportion in order get sympathy for your side.

[eracles]

You are just like the rest, why is it so difficult to say these protestors are utter morons and should be locked up, no one has the right to attack another person in this manner, all you are trying very hard to dillute the incident down to nothing in order to feel better about your side and their real face of waiting to get the upper hand just like Kifeas and Piratis. Why not just come out and say it these TCs that are liars and made the whole story up because we GCs are whiter than white and can do no wrong:lol:

VP, this is how we end up in checkmate - you want to inflate the incident to prove your point that we cannot live together. Don't be surprised if people dilute the event if you inflated it in the first place. I don't believe the incident is an indication what would happen in a free island - you think it is. There we go.

[zan]

The more I think about this story, the more sense it's beginning to make. The fact that this story was buried on page 21, is because it really did not have anything newsworthy. Anytime there's a demonstration, you are going to have demonstrators banging on cars, shop windows, and so on. This Turkish family was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that no body was hurt, was the reason why it never made any meaningful news. As for the police not doing anything, what were they suppose to do, when no one was physically attacked, other than their cars. I have been to few demonstrations in the past in San Francisco, and the only thing the police does, is to monitor the march and make sure the demonstrators stay on the route intended for them. Unless there are serious danger to anyone or property, they just stay at a distance and watch. I got the feeling, there was only one police officer there. Did the officer even see the car license number to determine to be a TC car?. Since the whole event happened very quickly and they were able to speed away, who was the police officer suppose to arrest from the group of 200 demonstrators.? Did the family in fact report the incident to any other police officer later on, to at least get a police report on the damages done to the car.? I'm sure the family were frightened by the whole experience, but no body was hurt.

I apologise for not quoting the report word for word

I want to say few things to VP now. He apologised for not writing everything word for word in what the report said. VP did not forget to tell us anything from the report. What VP did, he added to the report. There is a difference when making the claim, that it was not word for word. What VP did was to add fuel to the fire or cry out "fire" in a crowded theater. VP did the most unthinkable by using the words "beaten up". This is why most people could not believe the story, because it just did not add up, and VP sat there and never corrected it. It is these kinds of intentional and deliberate statements that stir up hatred and mistrust. I have come to know VP very well over time, and this just about fits his MO. VP owes everyone an apology for making false statement, and secondly not coming forward to clear it up, until the evidence was given to us by Iceman. VP's apology for not telling the story word for word is meaningless, because he did not delete anything from the story, he just added to it to make it a story. Sounds like he has been taking lessons from Fanos. VP did not make a mistake, he made a false report.

Lets see if VP does the correct thing and apologise to everyone on this board for making a false statement.

I am not picking on you Kiks but just taking this post as an example of what is going on.

First you guys tell VP he is lying about the attacks and now you want to quantify it as being a minor thing. Soldiers being killed in Iraq are not even making the front page any more and those that are being bombed and masacred by the yanks are not even being mentioned so your statement of where this article was published does not hold water I am afraid. Could it just have been an editorial decision that maybe even came from higher up?????????

You can keep ignoring the anger and the violence that will happen at every twist and turn of the "Cyprob" but it will not go away and it could end up blowing up in our faces. Tread carefully...Your agenda is a dangerous game to play.

A family of TCs who went south on the 20//7 thinking they were safe and firm supporters of trusting GCs and reunification were beaten up and spat on by angry GCs, was this reported in your press?

K?br?s Newspaper 21/7/2007 Page 22 Names Esra Yucedal,Tamer Yucedal and Mete Yucedal Attack took place on Makarios Avenue 20/7/2007 There were about 200 protestors The police were there but they did nothing.

Why don't you scan the report and post it for us to see, if it's not available on the net..

Since you work with computers, this should be no trouble at all for you.

What you're saying may be true. I just want to know the exact translation on what had happened.

Welcome back Zan,

I do not have an agenda my friend, just wanted to get the facts straight. As you can see from above, I did not say VP was lying, just wanted to read the story on how it was translated, and sure enough, the translation by VP was embellished to say the least. Why are you not having a go at VP for injecting the words "beaten up", because had that happened, more than likely, it would have been in the GC median and no one would have questioned VP, and in fact, would have condemned the attack. One of the first things VP said on his initial post was, "did your GC press cover this crime" or something like that. Well, if the crime as described by VP never took place, then the press had no reason to cover it, hence the fact members did not get to read about it. A car getting banged on during a demonstration is hardly newsworthy, no matter who the occupants were. I'm almost certain, other cars got banged also, as the case is, in any demonstrations.

Please Zan, lets not bring Iraq into this equation, because it does not hold any water I'm afraid, as to why this story was buried on page 21. It was buried, because it did not have a meaningful news worthiness to it, and I believe the editor of the paper did the right thing, by placing it on page 21. Had the "beatings" occurred, I can assure you, it would have made page 2 if not page 1. Don't forget, the date was very symbolic to the story. VP just added words that never happened to "spice up" the story, that's all.

The point was that if soldiers in Iraq do not make the front page then why the hell should this. You guys are just trying to hide your embaressment because VP was right and the people were assaulted. It is as simple as that. I can understand why you are attacking him because of your history but the rest is pure bunkum I am afraid. The attack was racially motivated and agenda run which shows you the situation in Cyprus. Open up the boarders and dismiss our claims and both sides will get worse and that is also as simple as that. Turn your backs and ignore the truth and another war looms and the GCs are better armed this time round.

[DT.]

The more I think about this story, the more sense it's beginning to make. The fact that this story was buried on page 21, is because it really did not have anything newsworthy. Anytime there's a demonstration, you are going to have demonstrators banging on cars, shop windows, and so on. This Turkish family was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that no body was hurt, was the reason why it never made any meaningful news. As for the police not doing anything, what were they suppose to do, when no one was physically attacked, other than their cars. I have been to few demonstrations in the past in San Francisco, and the only thing the police does, is to monitor the march and make sure the demonstrators stay on the route intended for them. Unless there are serious danger to anyone or property, they just stay at a distance and watch. I got the feeling, there was only one police officer there. Did the officer even see the car license number to determine to be a TC car?. Since the whole event happened very quickly and they were able to speed away, who was the police officer suppose to arrest from the group of 200 demonstrators.? Did the family in fact report the incident to any other police officer later on, to at least get a police report on the damages done to the car.? I'm sure the family were frightened by the whole experience, but no body was hurt.

I apologise for not quoting the report word for word

I want to say few things to VP now. He apologised for not writing everything word for word in what the report said. VP did not forget to tell us anything from the report. What VP did, he added to the report. There is a difference when making the claim, that it was not word for word. What VP did was to add fuel to the fire or cry out "fire" in a crowded theater. VP did the most unthinkable by using the words "beaten up". This is why most people could not believe the story, because it just did not add up, and VP sat there and never corrected it. It is these kinds of intentional and deliberate statements that stir up hatred and mistrust. I have come to know VP very well over time, and this just about fits his MO. VP owes everyone an apology for making false statement, and secondly not coming forward to clear it up, until the evidence was given to us by Iceman. VP's apology for not telling the story word for word is meaningless, because he did not delete anything from the story, he just added to it to make it a story. Sounds like he has been taking lessons from Fanos. VP did not make a mistake, he made a false report.

Lets see if VP does the correct thing and apologise to everyone on this board for making a false statement.

I am not picking on you Kiks but just taking this post as an example of what is going on.

First you guys tell VP he is lying about the attacks and now you want to quantify it as being a minor thing. Soldiers being killed in Iraq are not even making the front page any more and those that are being bombed and masacred by the yanks are not even being mentioned so your statement of where this article was published does not hold water I am afraid. Could it just have been an editorial decision that maybe even came from higher up?????????

You can keep ignoring the anger and the violence that will happen at every twist and turn of the "Cyprob" but it will not go away and it could end up blowing up in our faces. Tread carefully...Your agenda is a dangerous game to play.

A family of TCs who went south on the 20//7 thinking they were safe and firm supporters of trusting GCs and reunification were beaten up and spat on by angry GCs, was this reported in your press?

K?br?s Newspaper 21/7/2007 Page 22 Names Esra Yucedal,Tamer Yucedal and Mete Yucedal Attack took place on Makarios Avenue 20/7/2007 There were about 200 protestors The police were there but they did nothing.

Why don't you scan the report and post it for us to see, if it's not available on the net..

Since you work with computers, this should be no trouble at all for you.

What you're saying may be true. I just want to know the exact translation on what had happened.

Welcome back Zan,

I do not have an agenda my friend, just wanted to get the facts straight. As you can see from above, I did not say VP was lying, just wanted to read the story on how it was translated, and sure enough, the translation by VP was embellished to say the least. Why are you not having a go at VP for injecting the words "beaten up", because had that happened, more than likely, it would have been in the GC median and no one would have questioned VP, and in fact, would have condemned the attack. One of the first things VP said on his initial post was, "did your GC press cover this crime" or something like that. Well, if the crime as described by VP never took place, then the press had no reason to cover it, hence the fact members did not get to read about it. A car getting banged on during a demonstration is hardly newsworthy, no matter who the occupants were. I'm almost certain, other cars got banged also, as the case is, in any demonstrations.

Please Zan, lets not bring Iraq into this equation, because it does not hold any water I'm afraid, as to why this story was buried on page 21. It was buried, because it did not have a meaningful news worthiness to it, and I believe the editor of the paper did the right thing, by placing it on page 21. Had the "beatings" occurred, I can assure you, it would have made page 2 if not page 1. Don't forget, the date was very symbolic to the story. VP just added words that never happened to "spice up" the story, that's all.

The point was that if soldiers in Iraq do not make the front page then why the hell should this. You guys are just trying to hide your embaressment because VP was right and the people were assaulted. It is as simple as that. I can understand why you are attacking him because of your history but the rest is pure bunkum I am afraid. The attack was racially motivated and agenda run which shows you the situation in Cyprus. Open up the boarders and dismiss our claims and both sides will get worse and that is also as simple as that. Turn your backs and ignore the truth and another war looms and the GCs are better armed this time round.

The green line has been opened Zan and on the whole things are smooth. Invasion anniversaries should be looked out for though.

Why has anyone not mentioned anything about the GC Australian family who was visiting their village in the north yesturday and were arrested and kept for 8 hours in a cell with no food or water? Give me a sec while i scan politis.