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TC Family were beat up on Makarios Avenue

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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:55 pm

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VP I am not sure you are being honest wth yourself. And I certainly do not an answer from you on this point.


Sure I am I always state what I feel and thinks is right, this is my opinion and you can agree or disagree.

You cannot also answer on behalf of Greek speaking Cypriots. NO they have not benefited one iota.The RoC always had recognition so much in fact that everybody wants a bit of it. Greek Cypriot have propserity because after the invasion thy got on with it and rebuild their coutry.


Isnt having your own GC state a benefit?

Isnt ruling yourselves a benefit?

Isnt having the TC element removed a benefit?

Isnt having the economic freedom a benefit?

I think you are missing the point you have gained and GC state will all the benefits that brings otherwise you would have had to have deal with a partnee who has veto rights.

1 2 1 interaction is the very thing that makes changes VP. Willingness to accept others is part of the whole package. The African Americans were emancipated from slavery because there were some whites who viwed them as human beings and as equals and helped them in their strugle.


121 relationships have been going on since 2003, has it made any difference imo opinions have hardened and we are no closer to a solution than we were when the borders were closed.

Separating yourselves into a breakaway state, is not learning from mistakes of the past is running on fear 100% that is not to say the fear is not valid,


Its called survival, if you feel threatened or at risk you tend to seperate yourself into a safe house and fight back from a point of security not risk.

however, there are other structures that can be put in place to ensure safety, equality and equity. That is through legislation and consitutional change. An article that I posted yesterday talks about the 3000000 crossings from north to south without incidents.


Thats what we are wating for those structures and safeguards that will make us want to reunite. The incidents do occur but are not really brought to light.

Sure enough one had just followed that article. One in three million and you will probably find that most G S Cypiots will condone it any way. Most G S Cypriots wake up in the morning and want to head of to work and propser. They are not the bit interested in Turkish Cypriots


This thread is tribute to GC reaction and pathetic was they try to brush aside issues which effect us negatively, only you made an effort to deplore and apologise for the attack on the TCs.

I think we cannot repeat mistakes of the past because Cyprus is in a different time and space. It has membership with the EU. Can you imagine if there was unification and Turkish Cypriots lived in their old villages not all as we understand there are many issues for that, and were members of the whole community that they would in some way be discriminated and the EU will support that. I doubt it very much


The north does not trust the U one iota, their credibility is zilch for obvious reasons.

If your personal perception of G S Cyp's are the one you potray in this forum then you are not willing to look at anything different and G S Cyp's will always be those EOKA B people you have created in your belief system and those views will be entrneched in your children's minds because that is as far as your pesrception witll allow you to see.


Im trying to change that perception but the GCs on this forum consolidate and even increase my beliefs that we are better of going it alone that running the risk of being reduced to just another minority living in a GC state.

If you as a father in 2007 will respond negatively to your child marrying a Greek Cypriot in 20 odd years, then I think that is a problem.because we have then not learnt anything from the past.


This is a personal choice I would be dissapointed if my children married French or Spanish not just GC an I want the TC people to not loose their place in the world.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:38 am

Viewpoint wrote:
alexISS wrote:
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alexISS wrote:Viewpoint I'm sorry but your ignorance on these issues is too apparent for me to discuss them with you. I'd rather wait for bigoz's replies


Whats ignorant about my answers? who gives you the right to insult me in that manner you obviously feel uncomfortable but hey no one is forcing to respond I dont respond to some peoples posts my self.
I never insulted you, you can call me ignorant on Turkey's matters and I won't mind


Why should I do that? are you just trying to excuse yourself?


No, he said you are apparently ignorant, and apparently ignorant you were, by telling him to read internet material for matters which you only have a very vague idea.

As for the other 2 answers you gave well no comments.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:57 am

Viewpoint wrote:Im trying to change that perception but the GCs on this forum consolidate and even increase my beliefs that we are better of going it alone that running the risk of being reduced to just another minority living in a GC state.


This is what panics you. Keep on refusing to sit down to negotiatiate , and this will one day be a very real possibility. Also please keep on selling our properties to foreigners.
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Postby zan » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:13 am

Kikapu wrote:The more I think about this story, the more sense it's beginning to make. The fact that this story was buried on page 21, is because it really did not have anything newsworthy. Anytime there's a demonstration, you are going to have demonstrators banging on cars, shop windows, and so on. This Turkish family was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that no body was hurt, was the reason why it never made any meaningful news. As for the police not doing anything, what were they suppose to do, when no one was physically attacked, other than their cars. I have been to few demonstrations in the past in San Francisco, and the only thing the police does, is to monitor the march and make sure the demonstrators stay on the route intended for them. Unless there are serious danger to anyone or property, they just stay at a distance and watch. I got the feeling, there was only one police officer there. Did the officer even see the car license number to determine to be a TC car?. Since the whole event happened very quickly and they were able to speed away, who was the police officer suppose to arrest from the group of 200 demonstrators.? Did the family in fact report the incident to any other police officer later on, to at least get a police report on the damages done to the car.? I'm sure the family were frightened by the whole experience, but no body was hurt.

viewpoint wrote:I apologise for not quoting the report word for word


I want to say few things to VP now. He apologised for not writing everything word for word in what the report said. VP did not forget to tell us anything from the report. What VP did, he added to the report. There is a difference when making the claim, that it was not word for word. What VP did was to add fuel to the fire or cry out "fire" in a crowded theater. VP did the most unthinkable by using the words "beaten up". This is why most people could not believe the story, because it just did not add up, and VP sat there and never corrected it. It is these kinds of intentional and deliberate statements that stir up hatred and mistrust. I have come to know VP very well over time, and this just about fits his MO. VP owes everyone an apology for making false statement, and secondly not coming forward to clear it up, until the evidence was given to us by Iceman. VP's apology for not telling the story word for word is meaningless, because he did not delete anything from the story, he just added to it to make it a story. Sounds like he has been taking lessons from Fanos. VP did not make a mistake, he made a false report.

Lets see if VP does the correct thing and apologise to everyone on this board for making a false statement.



I am not picking on you Kiks but just taking this post as an example of what is going on.

First you guys tell VP he is lying about the attacks and now you want to quantify it as being a minor thing. Soldiers being killed in Iraq are not even making the front page any more and those that are being bombed and masacred by the yanks are not even being mentioned so your statement of where this article was published does not hold water I am afraid. Could it just have been an editorial decision that maybe even came from higher up?????????

You can keep ignoring the anger and the violence that will happen at every twist and turn of the "Cyprob" but it will not go away and it could end up blowing up in our faces. Tread carefully...Your agenda is a dangerous game to play.
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Postby DT. » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:24 am

zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:The more I think about this story, the more sense it's beginning to make. The fact that this story was buried on page 21, is because it really did not have anything newsworthy. Anytime there's a demonstration, you are going to have demonstrators banging on cars, shop windows, and so on. This Turkish family was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that no body was hurt, was the reason why it never made any meaningful news. As for the police not doing anything, what were they suppose to do, when no one was physically attacked, other than their cars. I have been to few demonstrations in the past in San Francisco, and the only thing the police does, is to monitor the march and make sure the demonstrators stay on the route intended for them. Unless there are serious danger to anyone or property, they just stay at a distance and watch. I got the feeling, there was only one police officer there. Did the officer even see the car license number to determine to be a TC car?. Since the whole event happened very quickly and they were able to speed away, who was the police officer suppose to arrest from the group of 200 demonstrators.? Did the family in fact report the incident to any other police officer later on, to at least get a police report on the damages done to the car.? I'm sure the family were frightened by the whole experience, but no body was hurt.

viewpoint wrote:I apologise for not quoting the report word for word


I want to say few things to VP now. He apologised for not writing everything word for word in what the report said. VP did not forget to tell us anything from the report. What VP did, he added to the report. There is a difference when making the claim, that it was not word for word. What VP did was to add fuel to the fire or cry out "fire" in a crowded theater. VP did the most unthinkable by using the words "beaten up". This is why most people could not believe the story, because it just did not add up, and VP sat there and never corrected it. It is these kinds of intentional and deliberate statements that stir up hatred and mistrust. I have come to know VP very well over time, and this just about fits his MO. VP owes everyone an apology for making false statement, and secondly not coming forward to clear it up, until the evidence was given to us by Iceman. VP's apology for not telling the story word for word is meaningless, because he did not delete anything from the story, he just added to it to make it a story. Sounds like he has been taking lessons from Fanos. VP did not make a mistake, he made a false report.

Lets see if VP does the correct thing and apologise to everyone on this board for making a false statement.



I am not picking on you Kiks but just taking this post as an example of what is going on.

First you guys tell VP he is lying about the attacks and now you want to quantify it as being a minor thing. Soldiers being killed in Iraq are not even making the front page any more and those that are being bombed and masacred by the yanks are not even being mentioned so your statement of where this article was published does not hold water I am afraid. Could it just have been an editorial decision that maybe even came from higher up?????????

You can keep ignoring the anger and the violence that will happen at every twist and turn of the "Cyprob" but it will not go away and it could end up blowing up in our faces. Tread carefully...Your agenda is a dangerous game to play.


ok. We'll tread carefully.
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Postby zan » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:38 am

Did anybody say sorry to VP for accusing him of lying??????? :roll:
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Postby DT. » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:26 am

zan wrote:Did anybody say sorry to VP for accusing him of lying??????? :roll:


he was lying...he said they got beaten up.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:21 pm

DT. wrote:
zan wrote:Did anybody say sorry to VP for accusing him of lying??????? :roll:


he was lying...he said they got beaten up.


Did the attack happen?, you were one of the first to say its not true but when you found it was you side tracked and concentrated on dissecting the severity to a degree that it did not really matter and was not of any importance, but hey you are not alone 99% of the GCs brushed the issue under the carpet just like you, that must tell your something.
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Postby eracles » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:53 pm

VP read in newspaper

"their car was attacked by these protesters kicking the car and using flag poles,bottles and sticks to hit the vehicle."

and decided to post a thread with the title..

"TC Family were beat up on Makarios Avenue"

I utterly condemn the behaviour of the protestors, even given our past, there's no excuse for it. But VP...why on earth did you use the title you did? Do you still think it's an accurate representation of what happened?
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Postby humanist » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:07 pm

VP said
Isnt having your own GC state a benefit?

Isnt ruling yourselves a benefit?

Isnt having the TC element removed a benefit?

Isnt having the economic freedom a benefit?

I think you are missing the point you have gained and GC state will all the benefits that brings otherwise you would have had to have deal with a partnee who has veto rights.



In all honesty

NO ( I believe that Turkish Cypriots share the Island with all other Cypriot majority and minority groups) Only Greek Cypriot is a bit boring.

NO (I couldn't really careless, I would vote for a Turkish speaking Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot as President any day if I agreed with their policies and welfare legislations and human rights respects).

NO ( I love the fact that there is another aspect of Cyprus that I love and enjoy, language food dance dress)

YES (it has always been there, and would be happy to share with TC brothers/ sisters)

I have not missed a point, you have missed the point that a Greek speaking Cypriot can embrace and LOVE YOU and YOUR FAMILY as another CYPRIOT. Belive it or NOT I too say what I feel, when I feel it.
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