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[Peterc]

You guys still dont get it do you..the act itself is deplorable but what did 99% of you do? you have made every excuse under the sun to brush the incident under the carpet, this is typical of GC mentality and what we fear in a united Cyprus all our problems will be conveniently brushed under the carpet while any bad acts against GCs will highlighted and analysed to death just so that you can brand us the evil and unruly ones. Pathetic thats all I can say and very reminst of the 1960s when GCs explained away all our fears and problems to a degree that they made themselves believe we were living in holiday camps and having the time of our lives.

hey vp what was your reaction when you heard of the 3 gc cars burnt by tc's outside my church?

I thought what stupid idiots could do this, they should be caught and punished severly, made examples of. GCs should not be harmed in any way shape or form in the TRNC and if we see anything we should intervene, we should make them feel safe.

I'm so touched! VP, can you please collect me from the Ledra roadblock tomorrow, I'd like to come and attain "TRNC" citizenship...

I wish I could understand what
it is people are really after sometimes? Th final statement coming from someone who is making plans to have a picnic with iceman and Halil! And yet the response to VPs last statement above is totally uncalled for!

This IS what provocation is at the least and can even be interpreted as bullying! I mean does this:

I thought what stupid idiots could do this, they should be caught and punished severly, made examples of. GCs should not be harmed in any way shape or form in the TRNC and if we see anything we should intervene, we should make them feel safe.

really deserve the last response and if so WHY?

Very funny indeed...

BigOz if VPs comment was said by anyone else in the forum then I believe that GR would have replied accordingly. Can you put your hand on your heart and say VP meant it that way??????????????? Im not so sure!!!!!!!!!

[Viewpoint]

You guys still dont get it do you..the act itself is deplorable but what did 99% of you do? you have made every excuse under the sun to brush the incident under the carpet, this is typical of GC mentality and what we fear in a united Cyprus all our problems will be conveniently brushed under the carpet while any bad acts against GCs will highlighted and analysed to death just so that you can brand us the evil and unruly ones. Pathetic thats all I can say and very reminst of the 1960s when GCs explained away all our fears and problems to a degree that they made themselves believe we were living in holiday camps and having the time of our lives.

hey vp what was your reaction when you heard of the 3 gc cars burnt by tc's outside my church?

I thought what stupid idiots could do this, they should be caught and punished severly, made examples of. GCs should not be harmed in any way shape or form in the TRNC and if we see anything we should intervene, we should make them feel safe.

I'm so touched! VP, can you please collect me from the Ledra roadblock tomorrow, I'd like to come and attain "TRNC" citizenship...

You have to understand something about TCs of today. In general although we do not agree on certain issues noway do we want GCs to be hurt or sent to Greece, can you honestly claim the same? You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece but all we wanted was to share the island with you if not together separately, theres a big diiference.

[alexISS]

You have to understand something about TCs of today. In general although we do not agree on certain issues noway do we want GCs to be hurt or sent to Greece, can you honestly claim the same? You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece but all we wanted was to share the island with you if not together separately, theres a big diiference.

The GCs did not want TCs to leave Cyprus EVEN when they wanted to unite with Greece. Because union with Greece would not mean the end of the Turkish Cypriot population, in fact it could have even benefited you. Look at the Turkish minority of Thrace, these people live better lives than most Turks in Turkey and their identity is not threatened in the least. Greece would have respected and encouraged the continuation of your culture, she wouldn't ship some thousands of mainlanders to assimilate you like Turkey does

[Viewpoint]

VP

You guys still dont get it do you..the act itself is deplorable but what did 99% of you do? you have made every excuse under the sun to brush the incident under the carpet, this is typical of GC mentality and what we fear in a united Cyprus all our problems will be conveniently brushed under the carpet while any bad acts against GCs will highlighted and analysed to death just so that you can brand us the evil and unruly ones. Pathetic thats all I can say and very reminst of the 1960s when GCs explained away all our fears and problems to a degree that they made themselves believe we were living in holiday camps and having the time of our lives.

VP the act is deplorable, not only because it happened against a TC but more importantly human beings. Yes there have been attempts to minimise the incident. Some good possibilities and plausibilities. However, ther is no excuse for physical harm on another human being. I doubt that it is Greek speaking Cypriot mentality. You did not experience the 1960's so holiday camps as you put it, so I do not think you can fairly coment on the topic. To some extend I believe we all perpetuate the victim attitude. The rality is in a united Cyprus the incidence of race or language related crimes will not occur. There will be no thug to say that someone has stolen their property, that someone has sold their land, that someone has used their shops at their expense. However if we keep on the track of this is what we are afraid this is what we create. our thoughts and actions create our experience. The sooner we start assisting our people to mix togetehr and encourage interaction the better it will be for our children in the future. Whther we like it or not the partition moda is out as is the RoC. Too many players on board now and too many stakes none Cypriot. A BBF is the only direction headed for Cyprus. So if that is the case and both sides know they will have to sacrifice (or if positive view taken a gift to be given) then lets start of creating places, venues, programs and projects that will bering or people together so when this BBF thing comes along the young will be saved the power of hate, discrimination and bigotry that exists on both sides of the Green Line. I find our endless reapeted blame games non condussive to anything other than the results of the last 33 years. If either side had benefited I would have said what the hec let it be, this is not the case, if you can honeslty look at your self in the mirror staright in the eyes and ask yourself has the Turkish community benefited in the last 33 years well then that would be a great liberating moment.

Humanist haven't both sides benefited? the Gcs have sole recognition, a GC state and prosperity while the TCs have protection, self rule and land. You seem to concentrate more on people interaction which on a 121 basis is not a problem as people are people where ever you go in the world. The problem is rule who will take charge and how will the structure operate, how will my interests be protected and how will we avoid the mistakes of the past.

[Viewpoint]

You have to understand something about TCs of today. In general although we do not agree on certain issues noway do we want GCs to be hurt or sent to Greece, can you honestly claim the same? You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece but all we wanted was to share the island with you if not together separately, theres a big diiference.

The GCs did not want TCs to leave Cyprus EVEN when they wanted to unite with Greece. Because union with Greece would not mean the end of the Turkish Cypriot population, in fact it could have even benefited you. Look at the Turkish minority of Thrace, these people live better lives than most Turks in Turkey and their identity is not threatened in the least. Greece would have respected and encouraged the continuation of your culture, she wouldn't ship some thousands of mainlanders to assimilate you like Turkey does

Where are the Turks of Crete? Could you kindly show us the courtesy of deciding whether we wish to live in Cyprus or Greece, being forced to do anything against your wishes ultimately brings dispute and hardship. The Turks in Thrace sing another tune and Greece has the worst record in the EU for respecting minority rights, search this forum and you will find evidence to support this in one of the threads.

[Pyrpolizer]

This "you wanted to give the island to Greece and hence damage us" is total nonsense. It was the NATURAL COURSE of history. A few years back there were Greeks and Turks in EVERY ISLAND in the Aegean. Do you know how- I mean in what way- the islands in the Aegean were split between Greece and Turkey?
Does anyone of you know how many islands Greece took and how many Turkey took? Do you know that until today there are Turks and Greeks living in each and every island in the Aegean? Have you ever heard that there are 10% Turks in Rhodes? (Who by the way get preferencial treatment in Government jobs).

The GCs just assumed/expected the same would happen to them. The TCs reacted assuming they would be eradicated like the Turks in Crete. However the Turks in Crete were not eradicated they were part of the population exchange agreement with which much more Greeks were deported from Asia Minor and Anatolia.

Furthermore why do you blame the GCs for wanting to give the island to Greece and you do not blame TURKEY itself who had no poblem with that, assuming she would get something in return? Have you ever studied the negotiations before the 1960 agreements and have you ever seen TURKEY striking out the option for Enosis? The ANSWER IS NO, TURKEY WAS ALWAYS READY TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF ENOSIS. It was Makarios and Grivas who wanted Enosis unconditionally. And not only for the period before 1960 but for the period AFTER specifically 1966-1967 TURKEY was again discussing the same thing. How many of you TCs know that Turkey was actually negotiating Enosis on exchange of the Dhekelia British base in 1966? Just have a look at Acheson Plan....

Even today Turkey knows Cyprus is costing her without giving her anything in return. Don't overestimate Turkeys "love" for you.

So like both Enosis and Taksim aims were imo natural courses of history, the same was the fading of the Enosis idea among the GCs, and the realising by the TCs that not only taksim is impossible but they currently run the risk to end up to nothing else than simple minority. And this panics you guys and no matter how much you scream never ever you deep inside know it's a serious possibility.

NB. Murataga give me a "never-ever" scream to prove me right, will you?

[alexISS]

Where are the Turks of Crete?

The Turks of Crete left during the population exchanges of 1923, what are you talking about?!? Should I then ask where the Greeks of Smyrna, Imbros, Tenedos or Pontus are?!?

Could you kindly show us the courtesy of deciding whether we wish to live in Cyprus or Greece, being forced to do anything against your wishes ultimately brings dispute and hardship.

Again you don't make sense

The Turks in Thrace sing another tune

What tune would that be? Do you argue that their quality of life is better than the Turks of Turkey?

and Greece has the worst record in the EU for respecting minority rights, search this forum and you will find evidence to support this in one of the threads.

Try to find an official source that ranks the EU members by their human rights score and see where Greece stands

[Pyrpolizer]

Here's one:
Almost perfect for Greece and Cyprus

http://www.mherrera.org/freedom.htm

Turkey is not classed as a free country though but partially free (and partially not free?)

Surprise-surprise UK and the USA are at exactly the same score as per Greece 1 political freedom -2 on civil rights (1 being perfect score in a scale of 7)

[Get Real!]

You guys still dont get it do you..the act itself is deplorable but what did 99% of you do? you have made every excuse under the sun to brush the incident under the carpet, this is typical of GC mentality and what we fear in a united Cyprus all our problems will be conveniently brushed under the carpet while any bad acts against GCs will highlighted and analysed to death just so that you can brand us the evil and unruly ones. Pathetic thats all I can say and very reminst of the 1960s when GCs explained away all our fears and problems to a degree that they made themselves believe we were living in holiday camps and having the time of our lives.

hey vp what was your reaction when you heard of the 3 gc cars burnt by tc's outside my church?

I thought what stupid idiots could do this, they should be caught and punished severly, made examples of. GCs should not be harmed in any way shape or form in the TRNC and if we see anything we should intervene, we should make them feel safe.

I'm so touched! VP, can you please collect me from the Ledra roadblock tomorrow, I'd like to come and attain "TRNC" citizenship...

You have to understand something about TCs of today. In general although we do not agree on certain issues noway do we want GCs to be hurt or sent to Greece, can you honestly claim the same? You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece but all we wanted was to share the island with you if not together separately, theres a big diiference.

It's the first time I've seen these two words used in succession in the English language!

[Get Real!]

You guys still dont get it do you..the act itself is deplorable but what did 99% of you do? you have made every excuse under the sun to brush the incident under the carpet, this is typical of GC mentality and what we fear in a united Cyprus all our problems will be conveniently brushed under the carpet while any bad acts against GCs will highlighted and analysed to death just so that you can brand us the evil and unruly ones. Pathetic thats all I can say and very reminst of the 1960s when GCs explained away all our fears and problems to a degree that they made themselves believe we were living in holiday camps and having the time of our lives.

hey vp what was your reaction when you heard of the 3 gc cars burnt by tc's outside my church?

I thought what stupid idiots could do this, they should be caught and punished severly, made examples of. GCs should not be harmed in any way shape or form in the TRNC and if we see anything we should intervene, we should make them feel safe.

I'm so touched! VP, can you please collect me from the Ledra roadblock tomorrow, I'd like to come and attain "TRNC" citizenship...

I wish I could understand what
it is people are really after sometimes? Th final statement coming from someone who is making plans to have a picnic with iceman and Halil! And yet the response to VPs last statement above is totally uncalled for!

This IS what provocation is at the least and can even be interpreted as bullying! I mean does this:

I thought what stupid idiots could do this, they should be caught and punished severly, made examples of. GCs should not be harmed in any way shape or form in the TRNC and if we see anything we should intervene, we should make them feel safe.

really deserve the last response and if so WHY?

Very funny indeed...

I may not have any respect for Turkish & TC policies just as Halil and Iceman probably don't have any respect for our government's policies but that doesn't stop us from respecting and seeking out the friendship of each other.

Regards, GR.