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[Pyrpolizer]

Piratis

It is not bullshit at all Viewpoint. The 18% of TCs stole 36% of the land. We know very well that most TCs including you were given GC land. As we agreed later lets do a referendum on 18%-82% partition and lets see who will accept it and who will reject it. A poll done in the forum showed that mosts TCs would reject it since apparently all you say are excuses and all that really matters is how much land you will gain on our loss by brute force.

Its total bullshit just like suggesting I have GC land my land is TC land. You know how I voted so I dont have a problem with the 18% split but you have to prove where in the world the land distribution is eqauted to population percentages, I have asked you this before but of you could not answer becuase this is not the way it is done.

You are illegally occupying a sovereign country,

Im illegally occupying my own country do you know how comical you sound.

The kinds of "BBF" that you accept are disguised partition with gains of land on our loss. If you want I will give you an example of BBF that we will accept without a problem.

Go ahead alway willing to consider level headed propositions.

On the contrary what the UN, EU and the world rubber stamped is that the plan we rejected was in fact so bad that it is now null and void.
The solution we propose is not "GC style" but the style that any other democratic country in the world has. In fact I had proposed to you that Cyprus can have the constitution of any other of the 26 EU member states or even Turkey if you wish. Unfortunately you reject the models of all other democratic countries and you want to force in Cyprus what you want, which is something that suits you and only you and exists nowhere else in the whole world.

How about Serbia and Montenegro? Never say never the plan will not be totally scraped as do you believe the UN will start over after putting in so much effort and time.

Yes go on. From the above points we already have the one country identity, the recognition and the stronger economy.
So tell me by how much will be the reduction of settlers?
How much property will be returned, and who will compensate those that will not?
Also tell me how your "better for everyone" solution applies when it cames to land and power sharing.

Why dont we cut to the chase your main priority is and has always been land...I have stated before that refugees should be offered the right to return where there properities are available or they shoudl be offered exchanged land in the south or compensation. Settlers should be allowed to stay if they meet the criteria set be the federal government covering both states eg minumum stay 10 years born here married to a cypriots etc.

Sometimes it is more sometimes it is less. Would you be happy to get less? You sure 'd be happy to get more, no?

Anyway personally I am not interested for partition. You have every right to get doomed with partition and be eradicated by settlers, but I have to think of my own eradication that will follow yours after they start leaking by the millions in my "partitioned" part.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are illegally occupying a sovereign country, just like the Nazis did. Maybe the Nazis were bringing the peace as well?

We got ejected from a government, massacred, robbed, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to have the island annexed to Greece. Not only you have gone by unpunished for these, you were actually rewarded. Do you deny this?

The kinds of "BBF" that you accept are disguised partition with gains of land on our loss. If you want I will give you an example of BBF that we will accept without a problem.

The kinds we will accept are the kinds that will guarantee our basic human rights which are to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. The ones you will accept are ones leading to the oppression and assimilation of the TCs in which you can completely Hellenize this island.

On the contrary what the UN, EU and the world rubber stamped is that the plan we rejected was in fact so bad that it is now null and void.
The solution we propose is not "GC style" but the style that any other democratic country in the world has. In fact I had proposed to you that Cyprus can have the constitution of any other of the 26 EU member states or even Turkey if you wish. Unfortunately you reject the models of all other democratic countries and you want to force in Cyprus what you want, which is something that suits you and only you and exists nowhere else in the whole world.

No other country is the same as Cyprus and resembles her unique situation, thus your proposal is nothing but demogogy. No where on the face of this planet is the fate of a people put in the hands of another regime that is guilty of attempting to annihilate her, in the business of asismilating her and goes around unpunished for the crimes comitted against her.

hmm... I know of one:TURKEY Vs the KURDS
And I know of another:
US Vs the Blacks.
And of another
The Soviet Union Vs all her satelites
And of another....

[Murataga]

You are illegally occupying a sovereign country, just like the Nazis did. Maybe the Nazis were bringing the peace as well?

We got ejected from a government, massacred, robbed, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to have the island annexed to Greece. Not only you have gone by unpunished for these, you were actually rewarded. Do you deny this?

The kinds of "BBF" that you accept are disguised partition with gains of land on our loss. If you want I will give you an example of BBF that we will accept without a problem.

The kinds we will accept are the kinds that will guarantee our basic human rights which are to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. The ones you will accept are ones leading to the oppression and assimilation of the TCs in which you can completely Hellenize this island.

On the contrary what the UN, EU and the world rubber stamped is that the plan we rejected was in fact so bad that it is now null and void.
The solution we propose is not "GC style" but the style that any other democratic country in the world has. In fact I had proposed to you that Cyprus can have the constitution of any other of the 26 EU member states or even Turkey if you wish. Unfortunately you reject the models of all other democratic countries and you want to force in Cyprus what you want, which is something that suits you and only you and exists nowhere else in the whole world.

No other country is the same as Cyprus and resembles her unique situation, thus your proposal is nothing but demogogy. No where on the face of this planet is the fate of a people put in the hands of another regime that is guilty of attempting to annihilate her, in the business of asismilating her and goes around unpunished for the crimes comitted against her.

hmm... I know of one:TURKEY Vs the KURDS
And I know of another:
US Vs the Blacks.
And of another
The Soviet Union Vs all her satelites
And of another....

The facts, history and the outcome of what you think you know in above cases are completely different and none are relevant to Cyprus. It is quite revealing, yet sad at the same time, that you see fit to justify the oppression, violation, assimilation and usurpation of the human rights of the TCs with examples that you "think" exist in other cases.

[theodore]

[quote="Filitsa"]Piratis, I'm sure you don't need affirmation of your sentiments, nevertheless, I think your response is very reasonably and poignantly articulated. ... Couldn't agree more.[/quote]


I also do agree let us pray for solution for this island "the xrisoprasino fillo of the Mediterranean sea.

[Piratis]

Here we go again with the Turks trying to pretend to be the victims to excuse yet more crimes and illegalities against us.

They came to our island by butchering 10s of thousands of people and since then they continue with the same barbarian ways against the Cypriots. Even in our recent history they killed thousands of innocent people, raped under age girls, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, and they have the nerve to complain because they also had a few 100s of losses as well!!!

Its total bullshit just like suggesting I have GC land my land is TC land.

Yeah, right! You say this because you support that all the land you stole from us in the north part of our country is now TC land, isn't it?

You know how I voted so I dont have a problem with the 18% split but you have to prove where in the world the land distribution is eqauted to population percentages, I have asked you this before but of you could not answer becuase this is not the way it is done.

I answered your question many times. The answer is: Countries are not created by means of ethnic cleansing and foreign invasions. So if we go by international law then there is no way you can partition Cyprus against our will. But of course you miss the times when international law did not exist and the barbarian Turks could just practice the only thing they were ever good at: invading, killing and stealing the land of others, without any problem.

Im illegally occupying my own country do you know how comical you sound.

Oh really? So me as citizen of Cyprus can tomorrow go and kill several 1000s of other Cypriots, occupy several villages and towns by ethnically cleansing their residents and declare my own republic there?
You are not only comical, you are criminal.

How about Serbia and Montenegro? Never say never the plan will not be totally scraped as do you believe the UN will start over after putting in so much effort and time.

The Annan plan is null and void. What is not scraped and will never be scrabbed are the UN resolutions calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops from Cyprus, the respect of the sovereignty of Cyprus and the illegality of your pseudo state.

Why dont we cut to the chase your main priority is and has always been land...I have stated before that refugees should be offered the right to return where there properities are available or they shoudl be offered exchanged land in the south or compensation. Settlers should be allowed to stay if they meet the criteria set be the federal government covering both states eg minumum stay 10 years born here married to a cypriots etc.

Of course the main priority of land. You are illegally occupying 1/3rd of land that belongs to Republic of Cyprus and where the majority of residents are GCs. This is why we are in war.

[Piratis]

We got ejected from a government, massacred, robbed, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to have the island annexed to Greece. Not only you have gone by unpunished for these, you were actually rewarded. Do you deny this?

You massacred innocent people, and tried to destroy Republic of Cyprus in order to achieve your dream of partition. Did you expect to face no consequences?

The kinds we will accept are the kinds that will guarantee our basic human rights which are to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. The ones you will accept are ones leading to the oppression and assimilation of the TCs in which you can completely Hellenize this island.

What a joke you are. You insist on the violation of our basic human rights and then you say that I want to violate your rights? I have said many times that you can have the 100% of your rights as long as you give us the 100% of ours.
And what do you mean by "completely Hellenize this island"? Restoring legality so GCs can return to their homes in which case GCs will be the majority in all parts of the island? If this is what you mean by "Hellenizing the island" then that is what should happen, as opposed to Turkifying one part of our island by means of invasions, illegalities and ethnic cleansings, as you do.

No other country is the same as Cyprus and resembles her unique situation, thus your proposal is nothing but demogogy. No where on the face of this planet is the fate of a people put in the hands of another regime that is guilty of attempting to annihilate her, in the business of asismilating her and goes around unpunished for the crimes comitted against her.

The Turks came to our island uninvited butchering 10s of thousands of people and oppressing us for 3 centuries. Even in the recent history they killed 1000s of people and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands. So what should be their punishment for the mass murders and oppression against us? Or only the GCs should be punished according to you, even thought you committed 100 times more crimes?

It is obvious that instead of accepting to have peace and a normal country in Cyprus like all the rest, what you want is to "punish us" by yet more crimes and illegalities against us, like you have done in the 99% of our history since the day you set your foot on our island until today.

[Murataga]

We got ejected from a government, massacred, robbed, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to have the island annexed to Greece. Not only you have gone by unpunished for these, you were actually rewarded. Do you deny this?

You massacred innocent people, and tried to destroy Republic of Cyprus in order to achieve your dream of partition. Did you expect to face no consequences?

You wanted to hand over this island to Greece. We resisted and the consequence was being subjected to crime, murder, illegality and usurpation of our rights. When will you stop this and compensate us for our loss?

The kinds we will accept are the kinds that will guarantee our basic human rights which are to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. The ones you will accept are ones leading to the oppression and assimilation of the TCs in which you can completely Hellenize this island.

What a joke you are. You insist on the violation of our basic human rights and then you say that I want to violate your rights? I have said many times that you can have the 100% of your rights as long as you give us the 100% of ours.
And what do you mean by "completely Hellenize this island"? Restoring legality so GCs can return to their homes in which case GCs will be the majority in all parts of the island? If this is what you mean by "Hellenizing the island" then that is what should happen, as opposed to Turkifying one part of our island by means of invasions, illegalities and ethnic cleansings, as you do.

100% of our rights are to to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. You can call it whatever you like, but the U.N. calls it a: settlement of the Cyprus Problem.

No other country is the same as Cyprus and resembles her unique situation, thus your proposal is nothing but demogogy. No where on the face of this planet is the fate of a people put in the hands of another regime that is guilty of attempting to annihilate her, in the business of asismilating her and goes around unpunished for the crimes comitted against her.

The Turks came to our island uninvited butchering 10s of thousands of people and oppressing us for 3 centuries. Even in the recent history they killed 1000s of people and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands. So what should be their punishment for the mass murders and oppression against us? Or only the GCs should be punished according to you, even thought you committed 100 times more crimes?

It is obvious that instead of accepting to have peace and a normal country in Cyprus like all the rest, what you want is to "punish us" by yet more crimes and illegalities against us, like you have done in the 99% of our history since the day you set your foot on our island until today.

What is obvious is that individuals like you will not agree on our most fundamental right to govern ourself in our seperate zone where we enjoy political equality with the GC COMMUNITY. Your historical perversions and ongoing illegalities/crimes is the perfect evidence for this.

[theodore]

[quote="turkish_cypriot"]Despite this islands past some people are convinced that this island and Cypriotism still belongs to Greeks!

[b]WRONG!!!![/b]

Cypriotism and the Cyprus we have today is anything [b]but[/b] Greek.

[b]No[/b] Turkish Cypriot should let [b]ANY[/b] GC make them feel unwelcome or feel like a mere visitor who has overstayed their visit because we've put a lot into this island!

Cyprus and Cypriots wouldn't be who they are today had it not been for the Turkish Cypriots despite what some people are brainwashed into thinking.

1) Most of the Cypriot dances (apart from Syrto and a few others) ie: Karşılama, Zeybek, Ciftetelli, Kozan, Orak, Kartal and Topal dances = Turkish!

2) ALOT of Cypriot music is of Turkish decent some of the best ones are written by RAIF DENKTASH, Raufs son (some of which are now classed as ''Greek'' with Greek lyrics!) :roll:

Halloumi = Cheese that the Ottomans brought, which [b]wasnt even Turkish[/b], let alone ''Greek'' (Arab cheese called Hallum) and which strangely enough is now considered the ''indigenous Greek Cypriot cheese'' :roll: Please! :roll:

The cheese we brought happens to be ''indigenous'' but the people who brought it are still ''visitors'' who belong elsewhere. :roll:

Republic of Cyprus' flag = Turkish Cypriot!

Alot of what is considered [b]TODAY[/b] as the Cypriot identity, culture and traditions comes from [b]US[/b]!

People like Piratis should stick to their 100 gods, Zeuss and Affrodyke and stop hijacking the culture [b]WE[/b] have contributed [b]greatly[/b] to and stop calling it their own...it doesn't belong solely to them and some of these things had nothing to do with them till [b]WE[/b] brought it here yet most of these things are now classed as ''Greek'' and they've even gone as far as copyrighting almost [b]EVERYTHING[/b] we've put in!

There is no getting away from the Turkish factor in Cyprus yet people are totally oblivious and would never know because everything is now classed as ''Greek'' including being a Cypriot. When I tell people I'm Cypriot they think I'm Greek! :roll:

Cypriots and Cypriotism of [b]THE PAST[/b] was VERY Greek, Cypriots and the Cypriotism of [b]TODAY[/b] is VERY Turkish influenced and ofcourse it is! The Turkish influence in Cyprus is much more recent and prominent than the Hellenists of the past but people are too ignorant to see it.

Piratis is now trying to tell me I'm destroying everything Greek when hes left almost [b]NOTHING[/b] to the credit of the people who helped shape Cypriotism into what it is today. They've hijacked EVERYTHING and claimed it as theirs from food, music to the constitution AND the country!

Its people like this who force me and A LOT of TCs into wanting partition. If they want Cyprus to be Greek then they should first DROP everything that Turks brought and [b]then[/b] come tell us about Cyprus being Greek...

Some of them even snub us and class us as nothing more than 'pheasants'...What exactly is a Cypriot anyways, do they know themselves? The true Cypriots WERE pheasants! Some people even seem to forget where they came from...

I'm not really that bitter about the things I mentioned but I dont want to share the same fate and be assimilated into Greekness like everything else.

I WANT to live with GCs so badly but when I hear people like Piratis I'm happy and thankfull to be where I am. I will compromise as much as I could to get any sort of split NOT to Turkify Cyprus but to live happily knowing I wont be assimilated into a Greek state with the kind of brainwashed Greek mentality that has brought my people misery after misery!

A LOT of Greeks will [b]never[/b] accept or like Turks NOT EVEN if Turkey was to up and leave and its ok for GCs to tell me I'm wrong even if they have the best intentions but not everyone is like them and for me its just not worth taking the risk specially knowing our past.

In my opinion the Greeks lost a lot to the Turks, tried to get their hands on anything to expand their borders, the 13th island they tried to annex just happened to be Cyprus. First Britain used their D&C tactics then the Greeks completely poisoned GCs against TCs. Turkey saw the perfect chance, first fucked you over and then us! I have no doubts Turkey is here for her own reasons either, someone just last week in the TA told me that Cyprus is Turkeys ''never sinking'' warship...

Unfortunately TCs wont forget what happened to them during 63-74 and GCs will never remember so there is not much hope of a proper unification. Its all swept under the carpet and called an ''excuse'' anyways :roll:

I'm angry when GCs try to tell me that we're commiting treason when they're no different and act in the same way without a care in the world because theyre the majority!!! Everything we've put in has been forgotten and classed as Greek while we're classed as the Ottomans who destroyed Cyprus, we ended up being used by everyone from Greeks, Greek Cypriots, British and Turkey.

Well sorry but after everything we deserve peace, to be happy and some UNDERSTANDING...if you cant understand why we're bitter against Greeks and why we want to administer ourselves to begin with then I'd rather live in a Turkish province even if it means becoming a Turk in the future than become a Greek or the equivilent of a ''Paki'' in the eyes of a Brit (which we already are to most Greeks).

I'm taking a break from the forum anyways....I cant take it anymore :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



You all in the island have a Greek presided don't you?... that is recognise by all the WORLD except Turkey is that right? Then You all are Cypriots with the main lag. been Greek 2nd English 3rd Turkish. What is wrong with that?

PS. ... do not cry about that...

































[size=24]NOT!!!!![/size] :lol: :lol: I'm going to be staying in Famagusta so I wont have easy access to the internet nor the time to read and reply to posts but I'll be back in full swing as soon as I get back to the UK :wink: :D :P :P :P :P

GR! PM me your number so I can call you about the picnic. I don't have no one elses number nor yours so PM me as soon as you see this, I wont be able to log on till next week SAT and I need to know times & dates beforehand so I can check my schedule...he he he...[/quote]

[Piratis]

You wanted to hand over this island to Greece. We resisted and the consequence was being subjected to crime, murder, illegality and usurpation of our rights. When will you stop this and compensate us for our loss?

We wanted union with Greece which was our legitimate right. Apparently for you it was fine if Cyprus was under the Turks for 3 centuries against the will of Cypriots, but when the 80%+ of Cypriots wanted to be part of Greece that was not OK?

So you started with crimes against us to stop us from achieving our legitimate right. Thats when the conflict started and it was your foult.

We will compensate you for your loss when you compensate us for our losses which are 100 time more than yours. In fact non of us would have losses in the first place if you didn't invade our island and wanted to impose things to us against our will.

100% of our rights are to to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. You can call it whatever you like, but the U.N. calls it a: settlement of the Cyprus Problem.

Sure, but this zone should be the one that TCs are the legal majority. Not Kerynia, Morfou, Famagousta or any other area where the GCs are the majority. We have a human right to return to our homes and to govern them democratically.

So return the lands you stole from us by obeying the UN resolutions, and then feel free to govern yourselves in the villages were you are the majority.

What is obvious is that individuals like you will not agree on our most fundamental right to govern ourself in our seperate zone where we enjoy political equality with the GC COMMUNITY. Your historical perversions and ongoing illegalities/crimes is the perfect evidence for this.

Can you point to me a UN resolution that says we are doing something illegal?

The Turks are the ones who commit illegalities, not us.

[Murataga]

You wanted to hand over this island to Greece. We resisted and the consequence was being subjected to crime, murder, illegality and usurpation of our rights. When will you stop this and compensate us for our loss?

We wanted union with Greece which was our legitimate right. Apparently for you it was fine if Cyprus was under the Turks for 3 centuries against the will of Cypriots, but when the 80%+ of Cypriots wanted to be part of Greece that was not OK?

So you started with crimes against us to stop us from achieving our legitimate right. Thats when the conflict started and it was your foult.

We will compensate you for your loss when you compensate us for our losses which are 100 time more than yours. In fact non of us would have losses in the first place if you didn't invade our island and wanted to impose things to us against our will.

Wanting to become subjects of ENOSIS could only be legal in the case of self-determination in which case the TCs would be granted one. This was of course not feasible. In 960 you agreed that you would give this up and signed agreement, yet, you still kept at it. Not only that but you murdered, enclaved and ambargoed us for refusing it. Save the millenium old historical perversion for your Sunday mass.

100% of our rights are to to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. You can call it whatever you like, but the U.N. calls it a: settlement of the Cyprus Problem.

Sure, but this zone should be the one that TCs are the legal majority. Not Kerynia, Morfou, Famagousta or any other area where the GCs are the majority. We have a human right to return to our homes and to govern them democratically.

So return the lands you stole from us by obeying the UN resolutions, and then feel free to govern yourselves in the villages were you are the majority.

The settlement requires bizonality as a consequence of your hostilities. We need to live securely and that is uncompromisable. This principle can not be undermined as you can not compensate us for 44 years of oppression, illegalities and ambargoes in addition to the lives you have wasted and the people you have massacred.

What is obvious is that individuals like you will not agree on our most fundamental right to govern ourself in our seperate zone where we enjoy political equality with the GC COMMUNITY. Your historical perversions and ongoing illegalities/crimes is the perfect evidence for this.

Can you point to me a UN resolution that says we are doing something illegal?

The Turks are the ones who commit illegalities, not us.

Sure,it is right under the U.N. resolution that legalized and allowed you to invite the Greek military to massacre TCs and made it o.k. for the world to look the other way for 44 years of your illegal and criminal actions. It is a long read though... Law is the child of politics; the politics which you temporarily have on your side.