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[Viewpoint]

...the fact that you have tricked the world inot believing you are the sole representatives of the whole island is the problem of other...

You are so disrespectful of this island and its indigenous people that I really don't want to share anything with your kind. If you had any scruples you would've felt ashamed that your people invaded and caused death and destruction to Cyprus systematically since the middle of the fourteenth century!

Today you have the audacity to even question if the indigenous Cypriots are the “sole representatives of the whole island” and complain that your people have suffered!!!

To call you a clown is an understatement, perhaps a better word is a cockroach.

I have had many "confrontations " with GR , who incidentally owes me a humble apology , but I totaly agree with him that the indigenous Cypriots are the natives of this island , I just want to add that the T/Cs are also the indigenous Cypriots and as such they ought to re examine their political affiliations and stop this nonsense on not recognising their own country.

The "RoC" is a GC state elected by GCs, run by Gcs for GCs. We did not elect your leaders or pay taxes to your "country" so why the hell would I consider the "RoC" as mine.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

1) The majority of TCs want partition.

Why do you tthat is the case? have you ever asked yourself this question? dont say to gain your loss thats all bullshit. They cannot see a solution that would satisfy both sides and GCs continue to display the same mistakes and threatening behavious as exibited in the 1960s the packaging may have changed but the contents the same.

2) There are 40.000 Turkish troops that illegaly enforce partition

From our viewpoint its to keep the peace and deter the GCs from doing anything stupid which woudl cause even more suffering to both sides. You can get rid of them tomorrow in a comprehensive solution.

3) The only "solution" plans that TCs would accept are those that legalize partition.

We want BBF if that classed as partition then you are right but there are many examples where it is not called as partition. You only object to this because you are against it, you would prefer to dillute us into the 80% we we will always be against this and you should be aware of this red line.

Based on the above facts there is no way we can agree on a true unification since unification is not what you want, and unification can not currently be enforced either.

We do not want unification GC style but UN EU and world wide rubber stamped similar to the one you rejected.

You say we should "encourage TCs to abandon the TRNC for something which will be far better for everyone on this island". "Better" in terms of what?

Freedom of movement

One Country identity

Recognition

Reduction of settlers

Stronger economy

Return of property or compensation shall i go on?

If by "better" you mean better in terms of democracy, peace and human rights then I told you a million times what is better. If by "better" you mean in terms of land and power then there is no such thing as "better for everyone". If there was, then you could get 10000% of land and 100000000% of power. But in reality that can not happen. So there can not be "better for everyone" what there can be is what is fair, which is 18% for TCs and 82% for GCs. If you get more than 18% means better for you and worst for us. "better for everyone" is impossible in these terms.

The above are also included but you have to accept that we are equal partners that fact that you are taller makes no difference.

[Pyrpolizer]

...the fact that you have tricked the world inot believing you are the sole representatives of the whole island is the problem of other...

You are so disrespectful of this island and its indigenous people that I really don't want to share anything with your kind. If you had any scruples you would've felt ashamed that your people invaded and caused death and destruction to Cyprus systematically since the middle of the fourteenth century!

Today you have the audacity to even question if the indigenous Cypriots are the “sole representatives of the whole island” and complain that your people have suffered!!!

To call you a clown is an understatement, perhaps a better word is a cockroach.

I have had many "confrontations " with GR , who incidentally owes me a humble apology , but I totaly agree with him that the indigenous Cypriots are the natives of this island , I just want to add that the T/Cs are also the indigenous Cypriots and as such they ought to re examine their political affiliations and stop this nonsense on not recognising their own country.

The "RoC" is a GC state elected by GCs, run by Gcs for GCs. We did not elect your leaders or pay taxes to your "country" so why the hell would I consider the "RoC" as mine.

Because THIS IS THE SYSTEM of the RoC. Its in the constitution. You elect TC leaders we elect GC leaders. And they all form the RoC. Choosing to elect your leaders to govern you in a stolen part of my country to represent you is NOT YOUR RIGHT and we never agreed to that.

[miltiades]

VP , in less than 20 years you will have run out of land to sell , there again Turkey can" intervene " and re occupy SOLD land , a pretext, no doubt , can be found """

[Kifeas]

Greek Cypriots who want a unified state claim that people peacefully coexisted in mixed communities in the past. Turkish Cypriots argue that the two groups always lived in partial separation and conflict.
After 1974, reunification emerged as the major Greek Cypriot political objective. This change in political aspirations led to major revisions. First, the "peaceful coexistence thesis" was established as a historical argument that proposed that if the past was characterized by coexistence, so would a united future. A policy of rapprochement toward Turkish Cypriots necessitated measures of goodwill toward Turkish Cypriots. Turkish Cypriots no longer were regarded as enemies but as compatriots, and all animosity was directed toward Turkey. Gradually, the term "brother," once used only for Greeks (living in Greece) has begun to refer to Turkish Cypriots. Greek Cypriots officially started to talk of "one people" who should live in one state, while Turkish Cypriots officially spoke of "two peoples" or "two nations" which should live separately.

Well, the answer as to who is more right and who is wrong, is given by a TC!

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/index.php/ ... /Ana_sayfa

[Viewpoint]

VP , in less than 20 years you will have run out of land to sell , there again Turkey can" intervene " and re occupy SOLD land , a pretext, no doubt , can be found """

miltiades we are only do what the south did 30 years ago and even today, its a natural development that will continue as long as there is no solution so instead of making snide remarks start to lobby your GC leaders to take positive measures that will support of your claims that we are all equal "Cypriots" and that both sides are entitled to the same rights and freedoms.

[Piratis]

Why do you tthat is the case? have you ever asked yourself this question? dont say to gain your loss thats all bullshit. They cannot see a solution that would satisfy both sides and GCs continue to display the same mistakes and threatening behavious as exibited in the 1960s the packaging may have changed but the contents the same.

It is not bullshit at all Viewpoint. The 18% of TCs stole 36% of the land. We know very well that most TCs including you were given GC land. As we agreed later lets do a referendum on 18%-82% partition and lets see who will accept it and who will reject it. A poll done in the forum showed that mosts TCs would reject it since apparently all you say are excuses and all that really matters is how much land you will gain on our loss by brute force.

From our viewpoint its to keep the peace and deter the GCs from doing anything stupid which woudl cause even more suffering to both sides. You can get rid of them tomorrow in a comprehensive solution.

You are illegally occupying a sovereign country, just like the Nazis did. Maybe the Nazis were bringing the peace as well?

We want BBF if that classed as partition then you are right but there are many examples where it is not called as partition. You only object to this because you are against it, you would prefer to dillute us into the 80% we we will always be against this and you should be aware of this red line.

The kinds of "BBF" that you accept are disguised partition with gains of land on our loss. If you want I will give you an example of BBF that we will accept without a problem.

We do not want unification GC style but UN EU and world wide rubber stamped similar to the one you rejected.

On the contrary what the UN, EU and the world rubber stamped is that the plan we rejected was in fact so bad that it is now null and void.
The solution we propose is not "GC style" but the style that any other democratic country in the world has. In fact I had proposed to you that Cyprus can have the constitution of any other of the 26 EU member states or even Turkey if you wish. Unfortunately you reject the models of all other democratic countries and you want to force in Cyprus what you want, which is something that suits you and only you and exists nowhere else in the whole world.

Freedom of movement

One Country identity

Recognition

Reduction of settlers

Stronger economy

Return of property or compensation shall i go on?

Yes go on. From the above points we already have the one country identity, the recognition and the stronger economy.
So tell me by how much will be the reduction of settlers?
How much property will be returned, and who will compensate those that will not?
Also tell me how your "better for everyone" solution applies when it cames to land and power sharing.

[Murataga]

The 18% of TCs stole 36% of the land

The GCs stole 100% of the State, and went on further massacring the TCs to hand over the island to Greece. Stop you rillegalities and crimes now!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

It is not bullshit at all Viewpoint. The 18% of TCs stole 36% of the land. We know very well that most TCs including you were given GC land. As we agreed later lets do a referendum on 18%-82% partition and lets see who will accept it and who will reject it. A poll done in the forum showed that mosts TCs would reject it since apparently all you say are excuses and all that really matters is how much land you will gain on our loss by brute force.

Its total bullshit just like suggesting I have GC land my land is TC land. You know how I voted so I dont have a problem with the 18% split but you have to prove where in the world the land distribution is eqauted to population percentages, I have asked you this before but of you could not answer becuase this is not the way it is done.

You are illegally occupying a sovereign country,

Im illegally occupying my own country do you know how comical you sound.

The kinds of "BBF" that you accept are disguised partition with gains of land on our loss. If you want I will give you an example of BBF that we will accept without a problem.

Go ahead alway willing to consider level headed propositions.

On the contrary what the UN, EU and the world rubber stamped is that the plan we rejected was in fact so bad that it is now null and void.
The solution we propose is not "GC style" but the style that any other democratic country in the world has. In fact I had proposed to you that Cyprus can have the constitution of any other of the 26 EU member states or even Turkey if you wish. Unfortunately you reject the models of all other democratic countries and you want to force in Cyprus what you want, which is something that suits you and only you and exists nowhere else in the whole world.

How about Serbia and Montenegro? Never say never the plan will not be totally scraped as do you believe the UN will start over after putting in so much effort and time.

Yes go on. From the above points we already have the one country identity, the recognition and the stronger economy.
So tell me by how much will be the reduction of settlers?
How much property will be returned, and who will compensate those that will not?
Also tell me how your "better for everyone" solution applies when it cames to land and power sharing.

Why dont we cut to the chase your main priority is and has always been land...I have stated before that refugees should be offered the right to return where there properities are available or they shoudl be offered exchanged land in the south or compensation. Settlers should be allowed to stay if they meet the criteria set be the federal government covering both states eg minumum stay 10 years born here married to a cypriots etc.

[Murataga]

You are illegally occupying a sovereign country, just like the Nazis did. Maybe the Nazis were bringing the peace as well?

We got ejected from a government, massacred, robbed, enclaved and ambargoed for refusing to have the island annexed to Greece. Not only you have gone by unpunished for these, you were actually rewarded. Do you deny this?

The kinds of "BBF" that you accept are disguised partition with gains of land on our loss. If you want I will give you an example of BBF that we will accept without a problem.

The kinds we will accept are the kinds that will guarantee our basic human rights which are to govern ourselves, in a seperate zone with equal political status. The ones you will accept are ones leading to the oppression and assimilation of the TCs in which you can completely Hellenize this island.

On the contrary what the UN, EU and the world rubber stamped is that the plan we rejected was in fact so bad that it is now null and void.
The solution we propose is not "GC style" but the style that any other democratic country in the world has. In fact I had proposed to you that Cyprus can have the constitution of any other of the 26 EU member states or even Turkey if you wish. Unfortunately you reject the models of all other democratic countries and you want to force in Cyprus what you want, which is something that suits you and only you and exists nowhere else in the whole world.

No other country is the same as Cyprus and resembles her unique situation, thus your proposal is nothing but demogogy. No where on the face of this planet is the fate of a people put in the hands of another regime that is guilty of attempting to annihilate her, in the business of asismilating her and goes around unpunished for the crimes comitted against her.