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[Piratis]

Viewpoint, lets see the facts:

1) The majority of TCs want partition.
2) There are 40.000 Turkish troops that illegaly enforce partition
3) The only "solution" plans that TCs would accept are those that legalize partition.

Based on the above facts there is no way we can agree on a true unification since unification is not what you want, and unification can not currently be enforced either.

You say we should "encourage TCs to abandon the TRNC for something which will be far better for everyone on this island". "Better" in terms of what?

If by "better" you mean better in terms of democracy, peace and human rights then I told you a million times what is better. If by "better" you mean in terms of land and power then there is no such thing as "better for everyone". If there was, then you could get 10000% of land and 100000000% of power. But in reality that can not happen. So there can not be "better for everyone" what there can be is what is fair, which is 18% for TCs and 82% for GCs. If you get more than 18% means better for you and worst for us. "better for everyone" is impossible in these terms.

[Kikapu]

@ T_C:

Most of your posts are excellent my friend and I admire your maturity at your age. I would say I agree by 80% of what you said in your first post although at some points you went over the edge. The separation of the 2 communities acted in a way that made a lot of people unable to understand what Cyprus really is. If you go at Atca site you will see the opposite of the GC nationalism thriving.

If I were a TC i believe I would write the same things like you. I like your posts, don't get disapointed and please don't go away from this forum.

Like I said I mostly agree with your posts that's why I almost never converse with you. Be sure you are NOT ignored though.

Pyro,

T_C is a smart kid, hence the fact I like him a lot as well as give him some "shit" at times. The only weakness I see in T_C is, that his youth is susceptible to be influenced by other "grown ups" around him. It is very easy to become "Nationalistic" at that age, and I was no exception to that rule at his age..

[Kristianikos]

Well done, T_C, i believe that Cyprus is should no longer be branded 'Turkish' Or 'Greek'.

We are the cypriot people, okay we do have influences from both sides, but in the end, we are not Greeks or Turks.

The Greek used in the south is to different even to be a dialect.. i have friends from greece that did not understand a word !

I'm guessing it's the same as with the Turkish cypriot language ? I'm not sure

If we could live in PEACE before we can do it AGAIN

[Sotos]

Its people like this who force me and A LOT of TCs into wanting partition. If they want Cyprus to be Greek then they should first DROP everything that Turks brought and then come tell us about Cyprus being Greek...

T_C get your Kartsilama and the songs of Denctash and don't forget the turkish coffee and the rousfeti and then assihtir You say what Turks brought but you should also say about what Turks TOOK by having us their slaves! Don't act as if we own you something because you invaded us and ruled Cyprus!!

[halil]

GR! PM me your number so I can call you about the picnic. I don't have no one elses number nor yours so PM me as soon as you see this, I wont be able to log on till next week SAT and I need to know times & dates beforehand so I can check my schedule...he he he...[/quote]

T_C here is the my phone number:0542 851 63 81
i send u p.m did'nt u get.Picnic will be in Krini (Kırnı-Pınarbası) village.As far as i knew GR,DT,Bananiot and İceman is coming.Also i asked to our forum modarator Svetlana to join us.she said she can not do it...... may be she can join us next time.it will be very good if she was coming as a moderator that we could able to show to rest of the forum members how we can talk eachother.......

[halil]

Greek Cypriots who want a unified state claim that people peacefully coexisted in mixed communities in the past. Turkish Cypriots argue that the two groups always lived in partial separation and conflict.
After 1974, reunification emerged as the major Greek Cypriot political objective. This change in political aspirations led to major revisions. First, the "peaceful coexistence thesis" was established as a historical argument that proposed that if the past was characterized by coexistence, so would a united future. A policy of rapprochement toward Turkish Cypriots necessitated measures of goodwill toward Turkish Cypriots. Turkish Cypriots no longer were regarded as enemies but as compatriots, and all animosity was directed toward Turkey. Gradually, the term "brother," once used only for Greeks (living in Greece) has begun to refer to Turkish Cypriots. Greek Cypriots officially started to talk of "one people" who should live in one state, while Turkish Cypriots officially spoke of "two peoples" or "two nations" which should live separately.

[Viewpoint]

VO WROTE :
""""""With all due respects Piratis we understand what you are saying but the position we find ourselves in was the culmination of many factors, you can argue these forever and not agree anything. Our problem today is that the 2 communities cannot agree a formula that will bring this issue to a close thats why we remain divided. If the GCs are so confident that they know all and have the answer after rejecting the last and only plan that was put before the people then why dont they declare the "new plan" to the world and us, so that we may consider it. All they do is complain yet take no positive steps that will unify the island and create a Cypriot air to draw both sides together. The last 4 years have been a prime example of hardening views (yours included) and widening chasms, I reached the point your are at today 4 years ago and if we continue the same policies we will go backwards not forwards. You must see that the "RoC" being the recognized half of he island must do more to encourage TCs to abandon the TRNC for something which will be far better for everyone on this island, yet they take steps to further alienate us pushing us more and more towards Turkey and economical dependence and wanting recognition of the TRNC as a means to settle this matter once and for all."""""

Recognition of the "trnc" , and for your information this is where inverted commas should be used and not when referring to the ROC which IS THE ONLY RECOGNISED AND LEGAL ENTITY , get this in your little head and we would move on. Turkeys position in refusing to recognise that the earth is round and that Cyprus is universally recognised IS a stumbling block along withe the government of Cyprus whose reluctance or inability to come clean and make known to the people what its goals are , these are the prime obstacles to commencing meaningful negotiations to unite our island. The Cypriot people will NEVER accept part of their island annexed to Turkey , and if you think otherwise then you are naive.

Your refusal in recognising what the rest of the world already does is an indication of your unwuillingness to see reason and to act in a manner likely to influence events leading to a united Cyprus and thus everting ceratin conflict in the future.

You have your heart (TCs) missing and you claim to be whole, just as you do not have to recogniize me I do not recognize you, the fact that you have tricked the world inot believing you are the sole representatives of the whole island is the problem of other, Ill let them deal with that seeing the recognize then why do you need me, go negotiate with them and agree a solution, cna you do this? no you cannot so as long as we agree a solution you will not recognize me and I will not recognize you.

[Get Real!]

...the fact that you have tricked the world inot believing you are the sole representatives of the whole island is the problem of other...

You are so disrespectful of this island and its indigenous people that I really don't want to share anything with your kind. If you had any scruples you would've felt ashamed that your people invaded and caused death and destruction to Cyprus systematically since the middle of the fourteenth century!

Today you have the audacity to even question if the indigenous Cypriots are the “sole representatives of the whole island” and complain that your people have suffered!!!

To call you a clown is an understatement, perhaps a better word is a cockroach.

[miltiades]

...the fact that you have tricked the world inot believing you are the sole representatives of the whole island is the problem of other...

You are so disrespectful of this island and its indigenous people that I really don't want to share anything with your kind. If you had any scruples you would've felt ashamed that your people invaded and caused death and destruction to Cyprus systematically since the middle of the fourteenth century!

Today you have the audacity to even question if the indigenous Cypriots are the “sole representatives of the whole island” and complain that your people have suffered!!!

To call you a clown is an understatement, perhaps a better word is a cockroach.

I have had many "confrontations " with GR , who incidentally owes me a humble apology , but I totaly agree with him that the indigenous Cypriots are the natives of this island , I just want to add that the T/Cs are also the indigenous Cypriots and as such they ought to re examine their political affiliations and stop this nonsense on not recognising their own country.

[Viewpoint]

...the fact that you have tricked the world inot believing you are the sole representatives of the whole island is the problem of other...

You are so disrespectful of this island and its indigenous people that I really don't want to share anything with your kind. If you had any scruples you would've felt ashamed that your people invaded and caused death and destruction to Cyprus systematically since the middle of the fourteenth century!

Today you have the audacity to even question if the indigenous Cypriots are the “sole representatives of the whole island” and complain that your people have suffered!!!

To call you a clown is an understatement, perhaps a better word is a cockroach.

Do you think I should also call you vile names back? will that solve anything? You forget we to are the indigenous people and we did not elect your GC leaders so they only represent their electorate who are the GCs not the TCs, easy really when you try or want to understand it.